Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

There is something about this guy's tenure that feels remarkably cursed/ill fated even by our shite standards
 
I don't think they can even afford to fire him at this point. And there's the additional risk of turning into a club that top managers would like to avoid , see Bayern last season.
 
He really should change up the 343 tomorrow. We clearly can’t field a two man midfield. Even 352 tomorrow.
 
Greck said:
We're working on improving long term tangible and intangible aspects and people are acting pressed over league position in a throwaway season
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What sign is there that anything is actually improving woth the management of the club?
 
Unlucky injuries, but he has to pick up some results and form.

I thought we played well during the 1st month under his reign and showed clear improvement. Since then, we've gone backwards again and aren't improving much.
 
Sanchez7 said:
Feel for him. He has a crap squad of players, the financial situation is dire, and confidence is rock bottom. I think 12-13th place finish is the best we can hope for.
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Struggle to see us finishing above 16th. Everton and Spurs will be clear of us in the final reckoning, and probably West Ham too.
 
groovyalbert said:
There is something about this guy's tenure that feels remarkably cursed/ill fated even by our shite standards
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Nah it’s just the same shite as the last 12 years. Unattainable goals, mad pressure, media hate train, shitty owners, toxic culture, all eyes on you unattainable expectations etc etc etc
 
Matt851 said:
Because his system requires more of a change in the playing squad than a 433. Therefore it will require an even bigger overhaul of the squad
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In what position in particular? The squad required better players regardless of formation.

It needed minimum:
at least one LB regardless (now LWB)
a far better striker
at least one starting CM
a tall, quick LCB

Apart from RWB (getting Dalot out of the team is not a bad thing) what's the big deal?
 
Greck said:
We're working on improving long term tangible and intangible aspects and people are acting pressed over league position in a throwaway season
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Yes, this. Most might not be acknowledging the magnitude of the task.
 
DownRiver said:
Our most technical players in the front line and back line are injured with Amad and Martinez for the rest of the season. Not to mention that Amad has been involved in 43% of our goals this season. Mount and Shaw will have another niggle and be out for the rest of the season, so you can’t count on both to cover Amad and Martinez positions.

Our rivals in the relegation battle as gaining form too.

Too many things are going wrong. We may ACTUALLY be in regulation battle. Look at our remaining fixtures ffs.

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3 points in 7 matches, 4 points if we get jammy.
 
The Firestarter said:
I don't think they can even afford to fire him at this point. And there's the additional risk of turning into a club that top managers would like to avoid , see Bayern last season.
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This also an issue. He began talking in a way that supposedly means a huge turn in club culture is happening. And that this need was identified by the club itself and was considered urgent.

So, sacking him would be very scary at this point. It would mean that there is no direction at all, and would also mean this past summer business was by chance and not an improvement (which it clearly was).
 
Feel bad for him. Was forced to accept the job in Nov instead of being allowed to take over in the summer. Was handed the worst attacking force of anyone in the top half and probably a bottom third unit overall. Has one single midfielder with proper legs and athleticism. And was also deprived of any replacements for the two attackers that left on loan.

Now has a borderline injury crisis on his hands and a club that’s basically chalked up the season. Tough hole to dig himself out of.
 
Matt851 said:
What sign is there that anything is actually improving woth the management of the club?
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-We're no longer scared of moving entitled big names. He could have kept Rashford and had a better strike force but he understood the greater good.
- End of academy star entitlement. Garnacho has rededicated himself to the club after the dropping.
-this is the one I know will draw the most obtuse responses but on the pitch, we are trying something different from the primitive approach of sending blind passes behind the last man. It hasn't been a flying success just yet but there has been enough to say 'don't sack the bleeping manager after 3 months of trying'. Not his fault he's having to choose between the most useless strikeforce to cost 100m and Rashford.
 
Roboc7 said:
Rashford has been bad for us for over 18 months, Antony for at least 2 years so it’s a safe bet that they weren’t suddenly going to improve just because Amad got injured. Their form improving because of a huge is maybe just a total coincidence and would also for no reason apply at Utd but I know what is most plausible.

The manager made it pretty clear what Rashford had to do to get back into the team and he wasn’t willing to do it. That was Rashford’s choice, he made it and now he’s gone.
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Again, players form is not static - they weren't playing for a multitude of reasons - evidently circumstances have changed for us. Them not being here is not an issue. Them being allowed to leave without us bringing or having the intention to bring replacements is poor squad planning and management.

You're having and adjacent conversation. I'm not discussing the reason as to why Rashford is gone so I find it odd you veered off there.
 
I like Rúben and really hope he can succeed but it seems to be stacked against him.

We are now 14th and when we enter games we are not really expecting a performance let alone to win.

In contrast Moyes has pulled Everton above us which is quite alarming given the short period of time it has taken. Granted he has not implanted a new system but it’s still night and day to our results since hiring a new manager.

When he came in he warned us that we will have to suffer but I wasn’t expecting it to be this abject. I at least thought we would see a positive and quick upturn in the football with results being erratic but it’s just been pretty depressing all round.

The club seems rotten to the core and I would guess only a handful realised just how bad it was and the majority of us were hoping for a quick upturn.

Sadly see us dropping to 15th today because we lack any threat in front of goal. I hope I am wrong and will be watching the game hoping but man this is a low point even by recent standards.
 
Amorim should quit. His career is plummeting, and not every manager can recover their reputation the way Moyes has.

United's owners, neither the Glazers nor Ratcliffe, deserve him. They need to suffer the humiliation of a manager like him quitting so that they are forced to consider selling the club outright.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Unlucky injuries, but he has to pick up some results and form.

I thought we played well during the 1st month under his reign and showed clear improvement. Since then, we've gone backwards again and aren't improving much.
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How are they unlucky? The coaches are really pushing the players fitness levels, this could well bring on more injuries.
Let’s be honest we improved under Ruud and have regressed since he left. He used players Ruben has since cast aside and got performances out of them.
We’re now relying on Casemiro who played 10 seconds in the last few weeks and is a slow starter when returning from an absence. Then we now have no one in the squad who can play the Amad role with anywhere near the same levels.
Ruben said this would be a hard season and he’s sure serving it up. Let’s hope it all turns out positive in the end.
 
TsuWave said:
Again, players form is not static - they weren't playing for a multitude of reasons - evidently circumstances have changed for us. Them not being here is not an issue. Them being allowed to leave without us bringing or having the intention to bring replacements is poor squad planning and management.

You're having and adjacent conversation. I'm not discussing the reason as to why Rashford is gone so I find it odd you veered off there.
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Well I am free to discuss what I want, if you find that odd then that that’s obviously an issue you have.

Again players form over a long period of time is more relevant in these circumstances rather than just staying the obvious that form is not static, which is just common sense.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
Nah it’s just the same shite as the last 12 years. Unattainable goals, mad pressure, media hate train, shitty owners, toxic culture, all eyes on you unattainable expectations etc etc etc
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Unattainable goals - first manager since SAF to have no expectation of top four

Mad pressure - see above

Media pressure - most journalists note how likeable he is

Shitty owners - first manager hired by the new regime

Toxic culture and all eyes on you maybe, but it's Utd - what did he expect?

I really like Amorim but I think he's too naive to succeed here based on what we've seen so far sadly. Some of his decisions and tactics make next to no sense given the squad at his disposal.

Amorim should have seen the rest of the season as a way of improving morale/getting players on side and properly assessing the situation.

We are now unquestionably in the worst situation since SAF left with absolutely nowhere to turn to in our squad for answers. We are being saved from a relegation battle by the inability of those below us to string results together, and there's no guarantee we don't still slip into that equation. Grim.
 
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VP89 said:
I could be wrong obviously but I think hel get a major backing in the summer and we will be OK with spending.
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I think so as well. Every year we hear there's no money to spend, and every year we still spend a ton of money. The 'no money' thing just seems like something to feed into the cycle of negativity to keep the news going.
 
I really cannot understand these players, I don't see any effort to go on the offensive. Hoijund or Zirkzee, I would expect the team to press the opponents therefore resulting in opportunities but what I see so far is sitting back with random passing between CB and CM where opponents regroup and defend. I expect Spurs to beat United, as Spurs always turns up against United. I don't think Amorim has adapted to premier league. We will continue to free fall but barely escaping relegation. If Amorim doesn't have a good start next campaign, he will likely be replaced.
 
DRJosh said:
Our injuries and City’s return to form makes this weekend even more demoralising as a fan. Hope Amorim has something special in his locker for Spurs. Or perhaps a a breakthrough from the youth ranks
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Might need multiple breakthroughs
 
hobbers said:
Come on, 2 games against Leicester is not arresting anything.

I dont know what would have happened if we'd hired someone like Tuchel last summer, and then made 4-5 perfect signings (starting with someone like Marmoush)...

But since our new owners were far too stupid to do that, I dont think there's any manager out there who could now turn this squad into even a top half Prem side without spending £300m+. There are 11 players in the squad who have the quality to command a place at a top half club (and are fit enough to play in this league / not ex communicado). That's not an exaggeration.
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Even with Mount, Shaw, Licha, Amad, and Ugarte all fit, I still don’t think we get to 11 players out of our squad playing for a top half club. Those 5, plus Bruno, Garnacho, and DeLigt, 8 total.

Maybe you meant there are NOT 11 players in our squad at that level.

Tuchel last summer plus a couple astute signings… 11th-15th place is our current level.
 
DRJosh said:
Our injuries and City’s return to form makes this weekend even more demoralising as a fan. Hope Amorim has something special in his locker for Spurs. Or perhaps a a breakthrough from the youth ranks
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Calm down. They're on a one game winning streak after just recently getting thrashed by Arsenal.
 
Nas-JR said:
Huge amounts of debt (check)
30 mil+ interest payments (check)
Recurrent annual losses worth 10s-100s of millions (check)
100s of millions of outstanding payments in player purchases (check)
Disintegrating infrastructure (check)
Near worthless squad (check)
Leeches of majority owners who:
1. Refuse to put own money into the club
2. Refuse to allow minority owners to put money in for equity (check and check)
Incompetent minority owners who are in over their head (check)

Yeah, some people need to wake up, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if we go into administration in a few years time
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If i was him I'd seriously consider leaving.
 
We have to get behind now even more, his back is against the wall and we need to help him fight. Old Trafford needs to be loud for the rest of the season up try and the players going, rather than moan when there's a mistake.
 
I'm starting to think Southgate would have got a better tune out of these players and steadied the ship. Perhaps Ashworth was right?

I'm getting nervous about Amorim as his ideas are too risky. He thinks 80% of the players are shit and need swapped out, yet we simply don't have the time or money to make that happen. I fear a poor window this summer is inevitable and Amorim will be sacked by November for persisting with his plan.
 
Pscholes18 said:
Surely by now, he has to be asking what he got himself into.
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Yup. There's maybe a bit of naivity from Amorim beliving his own hype and believing he is special - because he had a bit of success in Portugal. The PL is very different and he's being found out I'm afraid. No pressure on him to succeed.
 
Shunty said:
At this point it’s just a farce isn’t it, he is clearly being let down by this club. He should be managing a competent set up, not these jokers. He’s got rid of three attackers and they’ve brought in nobody for him. If I was him I’d just quit, he’ll get another job at the top 100 percent
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Ronaldo's ego said:
Same. The financial crisis is a great talking point for the media and fan channels but despite how pathetic the club is right now, generating revenue isn’t one of our problems.
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No but making a profit is and when you become a busy fool, you normally go bust!
 
Just seen his news conference for this game. The bloke has lost all his shine and happiness from when he started. He’s looked defeated, sad and tired. Can’t imagine the pressure he will be under after today’s inevitable defeat. His system isn’t working and won’t work with these players - how stubborn will he be holding out before he makes a change tactically? Today?
Finishing 15-17th and I think he walks. Will defo go if relegated as he won’t be up for a fight in the championship. He’s fortunate the club can’t afford to sack him as a few more PL defeats and his position would have been sealed.
 
There’s only one area that Amorin can turn to now and that’s the academy. Give the youth a chance, play without fear and these boys might just surprise us. As united have done in times of devastation and hardship they turn to youth. Nows the time.
 
The Firestarter said:
I don't think they can even afford to fire him at this point. And there's the additional risk of turning into a club that top managers would like to avoid , see Bayern last season.
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This is a great point, they really can’t afford to fire him but he needs guiding by Wilcox in particular with the PL, where he has no experience until this season 13 Games of which he’s won 4 drawn 2 lost 7, that is normally a record at United that gets you sacked.

I’m not sure he’s unhappy with 80% of the squad probably more like 40-50%.

Ruben is incredibly brave but he needs to stop being naive, you can set up 3421 and in game easily move to 433 or 442, he’s already moved Garnaucho wide and high which is more like 3412.

Our biggest problem is at wing back, they need to be higher and create more but this is also down to the back 3 and midfield 2 being far too deep. If he loses the next two away PL games, his record will be 4 wins, 2 draws and 9 defeats and the clamour for him to be sacked will be deafening but we must still back him, we simply need 3 Wins from the last 14 then use the PL as a league to bed in the youngsters and see how many could be good enough for next season.

I’m not expecting RA to win any trophy, he has no record to suggest that he can do this, especially in Europe. It’s important to remember that Villa was huge favourites last year for the conference league with a coach that is a European specialist and Emery still didn’t win and their squad last year was miles better than ours!

He needs 12/18 months to implement his system so we have to see it through now.
 
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