Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Remember the geese]

Finishing 15-17th and I think he walks. Will defo go if relegated as he won’t be up for a fight in the championship.

He won't walk and we aren't getting relegated.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

Just seen his news conference for this game. The bloke has lost all his shine and happiness from when he started. He’s looked defeated, sad and tired. Can’t imagine the pressure he will be under after today’s inevitable defeat. His system isn’t working and won’t work with these players - how stubborn will he be holding out before he makes a change tactically? Today?
Finishing 15-17th and I think he walks. Will defo go if relegated as he won’t be up for a fight in the championship. He’s fortunate the club can’t afford to sack him as a few more PL defeats and his position would have been sealed.

I dont get this notion that he should have to change to suit these players. He was brought in knowing what style he played. If he changes what's the point. Ten Hag buckled and lost the battle. This club needs to change.

Amorim may not bring the glory years back but he deserves the rest of this season, pre season and 5 or 6 games into the new season if this isn't looking better then it never will.

 

[Judas]

I don't see it as stubborn to stick to a formation he would have been hired to play? Unless people think the board are that stupid? They knew what they were signing up for when they brought him in mid season, then barely backed him, if anything weakened his hand, in the winter window.

He is showing signs of some stubbornness with his wing back selections though, and it is increasingly hurting my brain.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

I don't see it as stubborn to stick to a formation he would have been hired to play? Unless people think the board are that stupid? They knew what they were signing up for when they brought him in mid season, then barely backed him, if anything weakened his hand, in the winter window.

He is showing signs of some stubbornness with his wing back selections though, and it is increasingly hurting my brain.

Now amad is out who would you play there? Maz isn't great either side so he's left with dalot and now dorgu. Garnacho is an option but he would be better suited to the left and that means dorgu (who everyone moaned about playing on the right) or dalot on the right. Dalot is a massive issue with his poor form of course.

 

[Brwned]

I don't see it as stubborn to stick to a formation he would have been hired to play? Unless people think the board are that stupid? They knew what they were signing up for when they brought him in mid season, then barely backed him, if anything weakened his hand, in the winter window.

He is showing signs of some stubbornness with his wing back selections though, and it is increasingly hurting my brain.

It’s definitely stubborn to stick to a formation no matter what; poor performances, poorly suited players, injuries. But hasn’t he openly admitted he is a stubborn person? Stubbornness has positive aspects to it. It’s good that he has a sense of clarity and it’s good that this enables him to make unpopular decisions and feel secure in it. I don’t think anyone should be surprised he’s sticking to it at all costs. But it is unusual to have such specific preferences over something that is relatively inconsequential in comparison to some of these other more important things.

 

[Judas]

Now amad is out who would you play there? Maz isn't great either side so he's left with dalot and now dorgu. Garnacho is an option but he would be better suited to the left and that means dorgu (who everyone moaned about playing on the right) or dalot on the right. Dalot is a massive issue with his poor form of course.

To be fair now its an even bigger mess without Amad, but he didn't get played there enough anyway. Dorgu will probably make the most sense I guess, Garnacho on the other side (won't happen).

 

[DJ_21]

To be fair now its an even bigger mess without Amad, but he didn't get played there enough anyway. Dorgu will probably make the most sense I guess, Garnacho on the other side (won't happen).

Ye id rather Dorgu play there over anyone els. He actually put up his best ratings and a MOTM performance for Lecce playing there.

 

[Shane88]

Lose our next two and I could see INEOS panicking and sacking him before the Ipswich match.

 

[Leftback99]

Lose our next two and I could see INEOS panicking and sacking him before the Ipswich match.

With what money?

 

[hellhunter]

With what money?

Sacking him doesn't cost money, does it?

 

[spiriticon]

Amad injured for a while. Amorim's first real test. Where are the goals coming from now?

 

[onemanarmy]

Sacking him doesn't cost money, does it?

Of course it does. We had to pay ten Hag around 11m.

 

[hellhunter]

Of course it does. We had to pay ten Hag around 11m.

To terminate his contract, which we don't need to do immediately

 

[Leftback99]

To terminate his contract, which we don't need to do immediately

And what you paying the replacement on top?

Ridiculous to even suggest he's going anywhere.

 

[hellhunter]

And what you paying the replacement on top?

It has happened before. It's obviously far from ideal, but it can be done if it ever became a necessity

 

[Judas]

I admire anyone who sticks with this shit show and doesn't take a break if INEOS are daft enough to sack him in the next few weeks. Which they won't, because they simply can't be that thick.

 

[Steve 007]

I can’t believe how many people are saying the players cannot play a system.

Why not? Are they top level pros or not?

The same people were annoyed with ETH for playing the way he played for the players he had rather than creating an identity. Top players adapt simple. How many top players play different formations for their country? The truth is some of the players are one of these three:

1. Not good enough.
2. Not in it mentally anymore.
3. Getting on a bit or horrendously out of form/ lacking confidence.

This is not about a system.

 

[Redstain]

He needs to win games consistently, this idea of writing off the season is nonsensical but peddled by fan sentiment as opposed to a realistic objective the club have outlined.

United were 5 points off top four when Amorim was hired, he was clearly instilled mid season to improve the clubs position and the trajectory has been anything but progressive.

Cast our minds back to summer when the majority of the forum was stating that the managers market was devoid of options with no clear and obvious candidates to replace Erik, let's not pretend that Amorim is some managerial savant. I think he has promise as a coach but he's underperforming, his countenance gives it away and the recent quotes suggest that this storm he signified during his infancy is clearly far worse then he anticipated.

I have stated early doors that I can see INEOS sacking him. This newly formed hierarchy are highly questionable when it comes to competence.

 

[Brwned]

I’m taking the optimistic view and hoping necessity is the mother of invention. Zirkzee and Hojlund will have to play together more often, it’ll make it easier for them to root for each other to get out of their goalscoring slumps, and they might well strike up a partnership that makes the formation function a little differently to how Amorim intended and give the entire team a new pathway forward.

 

[Woziak]

Lose our next two and I could see INEOS panicking and sacking him before the Ipswich match.

It’s possible but I think it would have to be 4 games in a row which would mean his PL record would be P17 W4 D2 L11

That’s 100% untenable and he would have to be sacked, they probably have a relegation clause in his contract as INEOS have form with relegation in first season , eg Lausanne !

 

[Woziak]

I’m taking the optimistic view and hoping necessity is the mother of invention. Zirkzee and Hojlund will have to play together more often, it’ll make it easier for them to root for each other to get out of their goalscoring slumps, and they might well strike up a partnership that makes the formation function a little differently to how Amorim intended and give the entire team a new pathway forward.

This is exactly how I see the path forward play Garnaucho as wide Wing back on left or right and go 352 or 3412 where Zirkzee drops in as 10 and Garnaucho plays inside left striker and Hojlund plays inside right

 

[clarkydaz]

Surely by now, he has to be asking what he got himself into.

He recognised early on the players are nervous to play. Bet he wasnt counting on that

 

[Fooza]

He needs to win games consistently, this idea of writing off the season is nonsensical but peddled by fan sentiment as opposed to a realistic objective the club have outlined.

United were 5 points off top four when Amorim was hired, he was clearly instilled mid season to improve the clubs position and the trajectory has been anything but progressive.

Cast our minds back to summer when the majority of the forum was stating that the managers market was devoid of options with no clear and obvious candidates to replace Erik, let's not pretend that Amorim is some managerial savant. I think he has promise as a coach but he's underperforming, his countenance gives it away and the recent quotes suggest that this storm he signified during his infancy is clearly far worse then he anticipated.

I have stated early doors that I can see INEOS sacking him. This newly formed hierarchy are highly questionable when it comes to competence.

If you think he can with this team losing Rashford and Antony (losing depth) and Amad and Martinez to injury added to our previous performances, you're insanely naive. INEOS maybe dumb, but if the sporting people above thinking we're winning consistently or trophies under these circumstances will be as stupid.

He's not getting sacked
We are not achieving anything season

People need to stop being so short term thirsty - we are simply not getting anything this season. It was written the day EtH got sacked when he should have been in the summer, and INEOS not getting loans in the winter.

We move on to next season, I'm sure INEOS are already planning for that under Amorim. No one cares what Amorim took over, because reality is, thing's can get worse and circumstances change, which it has.

Spotlight should be on INEOS, I see fans expecting a trophy. If INEOS were the same, when we loaned out Rashford, Malacia and Antony they should have been frantically getting in loans to help support Amorim with that cause, but no they were 'relaxed' - this screams they don't care as much as fans for a trophy this year, their focus is next season. So why would they suddenly put pressure on Amorim to now consistently get results?

 

[Greck]

He needs to win games consistently, this idea of writing off the season is nonsensical but peddled by fan sentiment as opposed to a realistic objective the club have outlined.

United were 5 points off top four when Amorim was hired, he was clearly instilled mid season to improve the clubs position and the trajectory has been anything but progressive.

Cast our minds back to summer when the majority of the forum was stating that the managers market was devoid of options with no clear and obvious candidates to replace Erik, let's not pretend that Amorim is some managerial savant. I think he has promise as a coach but he's underperforming, his countenance gives it away and the recent quotes suggest that this storm he signified during his infancy is clearly far worse then he anticipated.

I have stated early doors that I can see INEOS sacking him. This newly formed hierarchy are highly questionable when it comes to competence.

The season being a write off is more consistent with what is actually unfolding. He asked to join in the summer and they insisted on him joining immediately, rain or shine. Then in the transfer window they didn't show the urgency of a team pressed for immediate results. If anything we were ready to sell the biggest first teamers. This is not the strategy of a club in win-now mode

 

[Woziak]

I admire anyone who sticks with this shit show and doesn't take a break if INEOS are daft enough to sack him in the next few weeks. Which they won't, because they simply can't be that thick.

Totally agree we can not sack him, we need to be honest with ourselves as a fanbase. The squad is better than 14-17th but not by much maybe 10th-12th at best, certain players can get up for cup competitions but the coach is so shot in the head right now, he’s not wining any cup this year with this squad.

Amorim has made some stupid mistakes, especially letting two attackers going out on loan and not bringing anyone in, that’s on him, his Latin temperament will mature in time and he’ll realise he could have handled the rashford situation better, got 6 months out of him then sold him, he would have scored goals and got assists from the bench or starting, he’s not played for 2 months, right now he’s fresh and raring to go so nice one, you’ve just improved Villa massively.

We might get 38-43 points, we should be ok and end up 16th in the PL.

We might get Knocked out in 5/6th round of Fa Cup and might make 1/4 final in Europa League but I think we go in round of 16.

This is what is going to happen so we need to deal with it and hope Amorim can get what he wants in pre season. That means he would have had 40 matches to impose his system, he gets 10 PL games in new season like Berrada who is not best in class as a CEO, as he’s never done that job and he’s making huge mistakes too as he learns the job.

Ashworth was an experienced DOF, Berrada and Amorim are both rookies in their roles as PL CEO’s and Head Coach. That means you afford them some time but not an unlimited amount. We need to see 1.8/2 points per game after the first 10-12 Pl games of next season, if it’s the same 1-1.3 points he simply has to go with Omar Berrada too and I say this as someone who desperately wants him to succeed!

 

[Insanity]

I’m taking the optimistic view and hoping necessity is the mother of invention. Zirkzee and Hojlund will have to play together more often, it’ll make it easier for them to root for each other to get out of their goalscoring slumps, and they might well strike up a partnership that makes the formation function a little differently to how Amorim intended and give the entire team a new pathway forward.

That is the only thing that can work now in the absence of a genuine #10 with Bruno playing deeper. Zirkzee is decent at holding the ball up and Hojlund can finish (at least he could) and those two can combine to form a decent partnership as they have complimentary skills. I would actually prefer that we play a three man midfield of Ugarte, Case/Eriksen and Bruno in behind those two and Garnacho comes of the bench.

 

[lennardinio]

Had the team through for the game today from a source who has got it right every game bar one this season (usually only gets it 2hrs before kick off though)

Onana
De Ligt Maguire Yoro
Dorgu Casemiro Fernandes Dalot
Zirkzee Hojlund Garnacho

Sorry not able to post in match day thread.

 

[Shane88]

Had the team through for the game today from a source who has got it right every game bar one this season (usually only gets it 2hrs before kick off though)

Onana
De Ligt Maguire Yoro
Dorgu Casemiro Fernandes Dalot
Zirkzee Hojlund Garnacho

Sorry not able to post in match day thread.

The front 3 picks itself for the rest of the season now really, since that is all we have.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

A win today would be amazing and I think we really really need some positivity. Would just love to see Garna and Hojlund running in behind them and scoring.

 

[VP89]

Onana

Maz
De Ligt
Yorro

Dorgo (LWB)
Dalot (RWB)

Bruno
Casemiro

Eriksen
Garnacho

Zirkzee

^ I actually think this team is very good to be honest. Casemiro and Eriksen don't have the legs sure, but Dalot and Dorgu are very physical and energetic fullbacks on their preferred sides. There's some balance there in theory, and Spurs will leave a lot of gaps for Eriksen to exploit.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

I think Kone and Chido are getting on the pitch today from the bench. I have a sneaky feeling Kone could stayt entirely but most probably off the bench for half hour.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Our so called "Mission 21" and "win PL by 2028" seems very bleak now. All talk and nothing to show so far. I thought ETH's last few months was rock bottom, somehow Amorim is able to make the team worse.

In the summer, we will be restricted by PSR. I think the rebuild is going to take much longer than expected. So far, Ineos looks worse than Glazers. The early optimism when they took the helm is truly gone now.

 

[Judas]

Our so called "Mission 21" and "win PL by 2028" seems very bleak now. All talk and nothing to show so far. I thought ETH's last few months was rock bottom, somehow Amorim is able to make the team worse.

In the summer, we will be restricted by PSR. I think the rebuild is going to take much longer than expected. So far, Ineos looks worse than Glazers. The early optimism when they took the helm is truly gone now.

You can't really compare them, how INEOS are having to operate compared to the mindless spending of the Glazers, they're playing from literally totally different rulebooks.

 

[Pronewbie]

Had the team through for the game today from a source who has got it right every game bar one this season (usually only gets it 2hrs before kick off though)

Onana
De Ligt Maguire Yoro
Dorgu Casemiro Fernandes Dalot
Zirkzee Hojlund Garnacho

Sorry not able to post in match day thread.

That team is going to get overrun. We really needed the Tel loan. Amad is going to be a huge loss.

 

[Dannn411]

Had the team through for the game today from a source who has got it right every game bar one this season (usually only gets it 2hrs before kick off though)

Onana
De Ligt Maguire Yoro
Dorgu Casemiro Fernandes Dalot
Zirkzee Hojlund Garnacho

Sorry not able to post in match day thread.

Inverted wingbacks, Bruno and Casemiro two man midfield. If thsi is the line-up, then everybody say your prayers for this one. Might be ugly.

 

[clarkydaz]

Our so called "Mission 21" and "win PL by 2028" seems very bleak now. All talk and nothing to show so far. I thought ETH's last few months was rock bottom, somehow Amorim is able to make the team worse.

In the summer, we will be restricted by PSR. I think the rebuild is going to take much longer than expected. So far, Ineos looks worse than Glazers. The early optimism when they took the helm is truly gone now.

More like top 4 in 2028

 

[Squeaky_Bum_Time]

Just seen his news conference for this game. The bloke has lost all his shine and happiness from when he started. He’s looked defeated, sad and tired. Can’t imagine the pressure he will be under after today’s inevitable defeat. His system isn’t working and won’t work with these players - how stubborn will he be holding out before he makes a change tactically? Today?
Finishing 15-17th and I think he walks. Will defo go if relegated as he won’t be up for a fight in the championship. He’s fortunate the club can’t afford to sack him as a few more PL defeats and his position would have been sealed.

Jesus wept.

 

[erikcred]

Jesus wept.

Because he's been watching our games?

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

I think Kone and Chido are getting on the pitch today from the bench. I have a sneaky feeling Kone could stayt entirely but most probably off the bench for half hour.

How has he been playing? Does he play for U21's? I have not heard much about his performances. I should watch more of our youth games when they are available.

 

[Acquire Me]

He won't walk and we aren't getting relegated.

Agree. His holding together more than fine. The negative spin is wild.