Exactly! Some of the numpties wanting Amorim gone after 3 months were arguing that Ole still needed more time after 3 fecking years of mediocrity.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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He was fecking lucky to get long as he did. Should have been sacked 12 months before he was. Our worst post United Manager, the amount of money that was spent during his time at United and his longest unbeaten run in the league was six fecking games. SIX. A run that he achieved early on at United too. Rangnick managed a run of six unbeaten twice in 24 games and we all know how bad Rangnicks time here was. ETH in 85 games managed it once. This is ignoring the insane amount of defeats and the shite goal scoring record and his goal conceded record. Just a terrible, terrible Manager.
The narrative is that he needs loads more players than other managers would do - that is the point that keeps being made over and over.
I wasn't advocating for Ten Hag just saying time doesn't equal success if the manager is not the right one
I don't want him gone I want us to be playing better football and showing progress in terms of performance the end, even the matches we've won more recently have been turgid affairs the Fulham game was so boring and lucky and the Leicester game was also a sorry affair backed up by anyone who watched it
Again, that narrative is the prior assumption that I was replying to
Well you wrote: "Because we're broke and can't invest in a new squad. Seems INEOS didn't think that through."
Implying that Ineos have ballsed up by appointing a manager that requires lots of new players.
We all want to see progress, but dude, we're 3 months into this!
I think you'll find the implication was made in the post I was replying to. Accepting the underlying assumptions of that post, it would logically follow that INEOS didn't think through their decision.
Anyway, this is a pointless meta-discussion and we're just going in circles here.
PSR is not the constraint that concerns me. Our financial / cash position is.
Almost 4 but yeah, just fed up with watching pass it in a fecking horseshoe over and over I thought we'd actually see something by now at first we were at least conceding less but even that's gone by the way side
he clearly was, hence the song;Ah, thought you were. My bad.
gavin b and ten hag, sitting in a tree,
k-i-s-s-i-n-g.
I think the issue for some of us is the meaning of the word 'significant' in this argument. For me, I do think there will be significant overhaul of the first team squad in the summer. But I do NOT believe that means a massive outlay of cash. Significant to me meaning a lot of players leaving, a few coming in on reasonable fees, and integration of a few academy players.
Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans, Casemiro, Antony, Sancho, Rashford, Malacia, I think will all be gone for sure. (I'd love to move on from Mount and Shaw but what are the odds of that at this point? Slim I would imagine) Also, it's maybe more hope than expectation on Casemiro and Rashy given wages and form/age/current ability.
How many of those leaving NEED to be replaced? Without replacing them at all the first team squad would be at 23 players if we include Heaven, Gore, Amass, Wheatley, and Collyer. Can we add to that group Obi? Kone? A Fletcher? Scanlon?
We need an elite striker and then reinforcements in the middle of the park. If we can get a few under the radar types on reasonable deals then I could see a significantly altered first team squad for a net spend of 80 million.
His first day 'in the office' was 11th Nov, so 3 months and 2 days, but call it 4 if you like. In fact, why not call it six? It will make you feel better about your impatience ;-)
My thoughts exactly
If oles 3 years was mediocrity, what would you call the last 3 months? We sacked Ole when we were 7th, and he finished 3rd and 2nd in his 2 full seasons. What I would give for seasons like those right now.
We weren't even this bad either when we sacked Ole or at his worst spell at the start of his first full season.
The fact that Amorin hasn't yet even been able to make us as good as we were at our worst under ole is really saying something.
Can you describe this progress? Thanks.
Patterns of play. Positioning. Moving without having to think first. Pressing as units. CBs stepping into voids. etc etc. A lot of what RA wants us to do is slowly starting to happen. The problem is two-fold, in my opinion. First, our players are lacking in decision making, physicality, and playing at fast tempo. Second, our players lack the tenacity and determination required to recycle possession regularly in the current era of premier league football.
Surely this was discussed in great detail during the hiring process. If this is the case and he’s agreed to it, then he really needs to start producing results and performances.
I just can't see it, I think we are absolutely terrible and Amorim's coaching is not improving us. I agree with the problems though, very few players can handle the ball at high pace.
No wonder Ole seemed like the new messiah. Can you imagine winning 15 out of 20 matches, with only 3 defeats?
This 20 matches are almost apples to oranges though, cuz in Ole's first 20, for instance, he won 10 out of 13 PL matches, and engineered a come-back win against PSG in the Champions League. Amorim's record includes wins against the mighty Frodo & Gymli, Rangers, and Viktoria Plžen. Ole won 9 out of his first 10 PL matches and drew the 10th, while Amorim has lost 5 out of his first 10 PL matches becoming the first manager since 1932 and Walter Crickmer to lose 5 of his first 10.
Where to even start...
Ole took over a club that had finished 2nd the season before. Following his initial 10 game spell he took us to the worst run of form for about 50 years, and sadly dire runs like that have become a hallmark of this club ever since then. And you expect Amorim to turn all that around in 3 months?
All of which means absolute feck all
I can't see it either. The Crystal Palace game was just awful. The selection was awful. We keep the ball, pointlessly passing the ball back and forth in our own half. No one gets moved out of their position. Eventually the ball gets played forward with very little chance of scoring a goal. We don't even know what kind of goals we are aiming for. We never cross the ball in the air, so headed goals are out. We don't cross balls on the floor so a strikers goal in the six yard box is out. We occasionally get cut backs but the single striker is busting a gut to get in the six yard box but no one is following in for the cut back.
All those numbers are hard to process for you, I understand. It's okay. We can all speak in broad, blanket hyperbole to make you feel more comfortable.
All those numbers mean feck all. Why don't you tot up the numbers from Fergie's first three years at United and compare them with Ole's - on that basis Ole must be better right?
If Amorim makes it to the summer, there will be investment because it is needed regardless. The squad needs to be improved continuously no matter who the coach is.
It does mean feck all though because these things aren’t linear. Sometimes things start off bad and turn good, or vice versa. Ole didn’t come in and try to implement a new system either. I think Amorim could have gone 4231, park the bus and counter etc, let Bruno hit his Hail Marys to Garnacho and Rashford , but that’s the exact thing we’re trying to get away from.
Comparing records is a thing.
Yup, we pass the ball sideways among the back 3/5 but once we try to go forward we often lose the ball after 1-3 passes. And our press is quite poor.
yeah it's a thing when it suits your narrative. Still means feck all in this context though.
No no, can't look at results. Should rather look at the dazzling performances
You're welcome to look at the results (6 wins, a draw and 2 losses in 2025), it's randomly comparing them to a different set of results, with different players, against different teams, a different base-level and a different managerial remit that is pointless.
Yep. Things were far better under Ole. What we'd give for regular top 4 level now after Ten Hag destroyed us.
The point is that there was no real prospect of taking the next step with Ole. A club like United has to aim for more, even if it means breaking things and starting over.
BTW, if he'd given us much longer without trophies I think many people would have been saying 'what we'd give for an FA Cup win now...'. Both were not good enough.
"Dazzling" must mean something different in German. Zirkzee hat den Fußball schon dazzling verloren.
There is going to be significant investment just over a few years and the timeframe will vary depending on who we can sell and for how much (if anything in some cases).
We have a poor squad that carries lots of deadwood and loads of the high earners contribute very little. Anyone with any sense was going to dismantle it, unfortunately for Amorim he has probably arrived at the worst possible time as the gulf between the expectations and our reality in terms of finance and ability of the players is wisest it’s ever been in the PL.
Can we compare it to Arteta's first 20?
Honestly, yes. I'd have kept Rudd for the remainder of the season, then reevaluated our strategic direction.