I’m afraid Amorim is being thrown under the bus (by the players) in record time
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
I’m afraid Amorim is being thrown under the bus (by the players) in record time
I really don’t think the club will side with the players anymore. I don’t know why but I feel like sacking ETH was the last straw for the club in terms of giving these players more chances, now it’s going to be on them. I think the club will work closely with Amorim to shape the squad over the next year or two. Depending on how well that goes will dictate when they will start expecting results.
Nearly all of them have been bought under ETH and we overhauled the team with almost all managers. There isn't a point were the club "sided" with them.
True. I do hope so.Fair enough – but that was written 4 years ago!
Which is actually good as it shows how his teams evolve and improve
Our best results were away to City, Arsenal and Liverpool because we were forced to play a low block which suits us best. A high press and high backline would have killed us.
Our sad state is at least 80% due to the poor players, but I am not sure Amorim has what it takes to succeed at OT. If he continues like this, which he most likely will, and he might not be around in July.
To be fair mate there are only a small handful of players left who even played under Solskjaer never mind Jose. 80%+ of this squad was brought in or promoted by ETH.
Biggest drawback with inexperienced managers like Solskjaer and ETH was their targeting policy or inability to ensure quality purchases. They were clueless and simply had no idea what was required. United lacked competence to support them when it comes to player logistics.
United need to bring in very competent people who can help Amorim building up a competitive squad, but also secure long term perspective regardless of who is manager.
United need to bring in very competent people who can help Amorim building up a competitive squad, but also secure long term perspective regardless of who is manager.
You don't have to show resentment to know you're onto a good thing but you're probably going to have to go and play in Turkey or Greece next season for less than half of what you're on currently. I'm sure they'd all take a renewal if you offered them one. There doesn't have to be ill feelings, it's people literally trying to say "I'm a good player, I deserve a good move and a good salary. It's this guys tactics that are wrong".
Every time we sack a coach we side with the players, as we effectively believe they’re capable of better. I do think ETH brought it upon himself, but I think the club is beyond the point of being so naive as to trust these players under a different coach.
Whoever isn't happy to play under Amorim can move on. The last thing we need are players who doubt the system and play out of sync with others.
I am not judging whether the system is good or bad, but i know the lack of belief won't do it any good.
That message by Sancho to Rashford "freedom", says it all about the attitude of these ex players. Gives me the impression like they are spoilt kids breaking free from their parents and doing whatever they want, not in a good way.
I am not judging whether the system is good or bad, but i know the lack of belief won't do it any good.
That message by Sancho to Rashford "freedom", says it all about the attitude of these ex players. Gives me the impression like they are spoilt kids breaking free from their parents and doing whatever they want, not in a good way.
At Everton, David Moyes is demonstrating how a new manager can improve a team.
Good form anywhere doesn’t seem to translate well for us!
I expect we will sign 1-2 players this summer and they won’t be established stars.
Well you may be right. I think he's the exact right man to bring us back to the top. And to be honest, results right now don't really matter to me all that much.
For me, if this new regime brought in a hot shot young manager with a new system and a winning attacking mentality only to bin it all after eight months before even giving him a summer window and a pre-season then I'm probably done as a supporter of this club until it's fan owned.
Or we sack the man that was hired to build a good team and was given the means to build that good team and failed. The idea that we side with players make no sense when every manager has been given the means to overhaul the team at great cost. In reality this isn't a case of manager vs players but managers paying the price for failing at their job and the players they purchased not being good enough is the number one reason to sack them.
That’s not true, Amorim Sporting were knocked out group phase in 22/23 season and round of 16 the season before..
Last season Atlanta knocked his side out of Europa League at round of 16, Amorim has no real track record in European competition, let’s not kid ourselves he did what Jose did with Porto?
It doesn't really have anything to do with siding with the players. We signed Antony and now we are trying to move him on because he didn't perform as we would have liked him to. Same with managers, they are set expectations and when they fail to meet them they get sacked. 99.9% of football managers get to a point in any job when it's clear it isn't working and they can't turn it around. Ten Hag got to that point probably 3-4 times before he was eventually given the boot. The players were all following Ten Hags game plan and bar Rashford they were pretty much all trying their best.
What a good post.
Yeah "freedom". That shows the intelligence of Sancho.
The club had to beg others to take Sancho off our hands.
On to Rashford, once a bigger club comes looking for Emery, I'm sure Villa will struggle to replace him. At that point I hope that Villa have made the deal permanent. We've seen Newcastle go down 2 years after just failing to get Champions League. He could easily be a championship player in the next 3 seasons.
The only players left still playing currently from over the years are Bruno Maguire and Dalot. Many players are gone, Fred, McTominay, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Bissaka, Greenwood, Antony Varane, Elanga Lingard, Mata they are all gone. So we can't say we keep siding with these players.
Yeah. Constantly saying "these players" is quite vague because we've already done a clear out and brought in a few new faces over the past few summers. However our recruitment has been shite, and Ruben was brought in at a shit time, but absolving him of absolutely everything that's occured on the pitch because "all the players are shite", is bonkers. The squad isn't nearly as bad as the level we're seeing on the pitch currently. That post above mentioning David Moyes getting a tune out of Everton since coming in will be ridiculed, but there's definitely an argument that our performances never really improved since Ruben took over, when that was partially the point in hiring him, and we're actually getting progressively worse.
I’m afraid Amorim is being thrown under the bus (by the players) in record time
But our players are mostly young and recently brought in. I have a hard time believing that our young players have decided that we will get Amorim sacked.
I suspect its more likely that our players don't have the experience or skill in some cases to adapt to his system.
That's if we are lucky.
I obviously meant this season
I still find it incredible that after 12 years of shitshow, there are posts like "the formation is 80% of our problems".
You are so right guys, we shoud hire Moyes again, he will improve us! I bet he'll get us to 9th place, the genius bastard!
Why would we allow a young and talented manager to actually change things and implement new system and culture, that's crazy talk!
It's not working so well after 3 WHOLE MONTHS, it's obviously never going to work.
Resets and changes in football should happen in a month, tops, otherwise it's bad manager!
Throw away change, throw away vision, no need for structure or strategy.
Just go VIBESCHESTER UNITED all the way, it gave us so much success. I mean, fighting for top 4 and sporadically winning a local cup is what we should be aiming for!
We demand a short term fix immediately!
You are so right guys, we shoud hire Moyes again, he will improve us! I bet he'll get us to 9th place, the genius bastard!
Why would we allow a young and talented manager to actually change things and implement new system and culture, that's crazy talk!
It's not working so well after 3 WHOLE MONTHS, it's obviously never going to work.
Resets and changes in football should happen in a month, tops, otherwise it's bad manager!
Throw away change, throw away vision, no need for structure or strategy.
Just go VIBESCHESTER UNITED all the way, it gave us so much success. I mean, fighting for top 4 and sporadically winning a local cup is what we should be aiming for!
We demand a short term fix immediately!
So this United team should be 13th in the league right?
The manager can be underperforming as well as the team culture not being great, the two aren't mutually exclusive to each other.
It's obvious the system isn't working in it's current state, if the manager wants to stick with it then fine, but Amorim himself has suggested that things will be worse before they are better, suggesting even he knows it isn't working in it's current implementation.
Posts like this do nothing but enhance the toxicity and divide, they offer nothing logical or helpful to any form of discussion.
Talk about a hyperbole. Now, the facts are: Ruben was successful in Portugal, however, his record in Europe with Sporting is not really impressive.
PL is much more competitive and of higher quality compared to Primeira Liga, so it is up to Ruben to prove that his methods will work here against the likes of City, Pool, Arsenal and others. So far our league form has been dreadful and the fans are rightfully concerned.
Its all good to say this and neither am I worried about Amorim (yet) but honestly what evidence do we have yet that the club has a vision, structure and strategy? Beyond the fact that there are different people in charge of football than Woodword and Arnold? We could be having a vision and strategy but nothing yet specifically visible on the ground.
- At the start of the season and while replacing ETH, as per the media we were confused between various different managers who play wildly different styles of football. Finally during the start of the season we settled for retaining ETH and then sacked him to get Amorim. What was the vision and strategy we had at the start of the season? It seems to me that we are still hoping to get the ONE as manager who can fix all our problems.
- Why is it that the youth teams play in a different style to Amorim's, if that's how the club is going to go forward?
- Why bring likes of Zirkzee if we were planning to get Amorim at some point when we know he doesn't fit his style of play?
I guess we will know soon enough during the summer if we have a better structure in place or we continue to just end up buying players that our head coach recommends especially from his old club.
I feel Amorim was a panic buy, but they did it in order to reset everything. They didn't want to go down the interim road.
So it's been basically preseason since he joined.
That's my read at least.
I remain hopeful and positive!
So it's been basically preseason since he joined.
That's my read at least.
I remain hopeful and positive!
He was clearly a panic appointment, and doing a hard pivot with our football style midseason has turned out as expected. I thought the whole point of Ashworth was to have a consistent style of play that would transcend first team coaching appointments and build a squad with this in mind. Erik should have gone the week after the cup final, and been replaced with a coach that fitted the squad we've been building. Instead we lose Ashworth and have to rip up the squad again.
Are we now committed to Amorim style football long term? If he goes do we need to hire another manager that plays the same formation ?
A panic appointment is hiring one of the most respected and promising up and coming managers in football?
If we're playing a back 5 with Maguire in the centre who's as slow as a boat with defenders as wing backs and horrendous strikers for the rest of the season, it's a right off. This system can work as long as we change Maguire, have quick attacking full backs and a good striker. Hopefully we'll see this in the summer.
To be fair the bolded is what most of his predecessors were also supposed to do. They all got way more than 3 months and were all heavily backed financially.
The issue is that we weren't building anything. We had no discernable style of play. At least not one that was conducive to consistently winning football matches.
A panic buy would be hiring a manager without much thought and in desperation.
Amorim was on our shortlist throughout the summer and we knew everything him before we sacked ten hag. That's not panic
Pulling the trigger to bring him in mid-season was panic.
No, that's not panic. It's cutting a manager that was hanging on by a thread going into this season. They wanted to give him a chance to prove himself without injuries and with some better players and he failed. I'm his biggest defender and it's clear to me that they gave him more than needed.
Liverpool cut Rodgers and it wasn't a panic.
I still think its better than a pointless interim once again. You'd have preferred that?
Everton will finish the season above United.
Its funny because alot of people before Ten Hag got sacked, including me were saying the structure is a problem, give him a better structure, lack of injuries and see what he does.
INEOS clearly thought the same and gave him a chance under a new direction but he clearly was not good enough and was rightly sacked.
They obviously had looked at managers and Amorim was the best choice for them.