No, that's not panic. It's cutting a manager that was hanging on by a thread going into this season. They wanted to give him a chance to prove himself without injuries and with some better players and he failed. I'm his biggest defender and it's clear to me that they gave him more than needed.
Liverpool cut Rodgers and it wasn't a panic.
I know you were one of ETH biggest fans but stop rewriting history. One reason for the terrible injuries was his refusal to rotate. We also kept hearing how it would improve when we had players back or after a break and it never did. We were a disorganised mess playing ping pong football. ETH had no idea how to improve things and was the worst judge of player I have ever seen in a top manager. We we awful last season and winning the cup shouldnt have changed things. It seems Radcliffe was personally involved in the hiring of a new manager, Tuchel turned them down and so they stuck with ETH. It remains an awful, awful decision that has set the club back even more. Amorim now seems a panicked decision and its really not clear if he was it takes. Lets see.No, that's not panic. It's cutting a manager that was hanging on by a thread going into this season. They wanted to give him a chance to prove himself without injuries and with some better players and he failed. I'm his biggest defender and it's clear to me that they gave him more than needed.
Liverpool cut Rodgers and it wasn't a panic.
That's true. And it still doesn't make sense. If the plan was to move towards Amorim's style keeping EtH was wrong. If the plan was to continue with EtH's style Amorim's appointment makes no sense.No, that's not panic. It's cutting a manager that was hanging on by a thread going into this season.
You've just written a whole explanation as to why there was a problem under ETH and I could not care less, it's completely unrelated to the debate.I know you were one of ETH biggest fans but stop rewriting history. One reason for the terrible injuries was his refusal to rotate. We also kept hearing how it would improve when we had players back or after a break and it never did. We were a disorganised mess playing ping pong football. ETH had no idea how to improve things and was the worst judge of player I have ever seen in a top manager. We we awful last season and winning the cup shouldnt have changed things. It seems Radcliffe was personally involved in the hiring of a new manager, Tuchel turned them down and so they stuck with ETH. It remains an awful, awful decision that has set the club back even more. Amorim now seems a panicked decision and its really not clear if he was it takes. Lets see.
I still find it incredible that after 12 years of shitshow, there are posts like "the formation is 80% of our problems".
You are so right guys, we shoud hire Moyes again, he will improve us! I bet he'll get us to 9th place, the genius bastard!
Why would we allow a young and talented manager to actually change things and implement new system and culture, that's crazy talk!
It's not working so well after 3 WHOLE MONTHS, it's obviously never going to work.
Resets and changes in football should happen in a month, tops, otherwise it's bad manager!
Throw away change, throw away vision, no need for structure or strategy.
Just go VIBESCHESTER UNITED all the way, it gave us so much success. I mean, fighting for top 4 and sporadically winning a local cup is what we should be aiming for!
We demand a short term fix immediately!
Do we have a worse squad than Everton yes or no, of course the answer is no, but somehow they are playing better than us ask yourself why, the manager has to be able to get a tune out of these players somehow 75 to 85% of them will be here next season so we somehow write off this season because of the players and then go into next season with the same players and expect something different?
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.Moyes has proven a number of things in his career. I think he has proven a number of times that he is a good and capable football manager. I would say he has also pretty much proven not to be suited to the biggest clubs.
I still have Fellaini related flashbacks.
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
100%Its funny because alot of people before Ten Hag got sacked, including me were saying the structure is a problem, give him a better structure, lack of injuries and see what he does.
INEOS clearly thought the same and gave him a chance under a new direction but he clearly was not good enough and was rightly sacked.
They obviously had looked at managers and Amorim was the best choice for them.
Was this reported at the time? I dont recall Ornstein or other reliable journalists mentioning Amorim to be on the shorlist.You've just written a whole explanation as to why there was a problem under ETH and I could not care less, it's completely unrelated to the debate.
Ten Hag was sacked after being given time, they pulled the plug. They'd have panicked if the got someone in they didn't know and did no due diligence on, sure. But they didn't - they got a coach who they had on their shortlist since the summer and they knew all about him.
Do we have a worse squad than Everton yes or no, of course the answer is no, but somehow they are playing better than us ask yourself why, the manager has to be able to get a tune out of these players somehow 75 to 85% of them will be here next season so we somehow write off this season because of the players and then go into next season with the same players and expect something different?
That's true. And it still doesn't make sense. If the plan was to move towards Amorim's style keeping EtH was wrong. If the plan was to continue with EtH's style Amorim's appointment makes no sense.
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
Well they didn’t play like that at all against Spurs and Leicester and Liverpool where they took seven points and scored 9 goals…we’ve scored 9 in our last 9. Bar Soton and Ipswich we are the current worse performing team in the PL.They are not playing better than us, ffs.
They sit back deep, grind two results and now they are playing better than us.
Get a grip.
He is in the round of 16 in Europa League and has to win that round to achieve his best performance in Europe, he has no real record or pedigree in Europe and has already talked up his excuses by saying a cup win masks over the real problems of a football team, I predict it now, you may time stamp it, if I’m wrong I’ll offer a huge apology, but Amorim is not wining any Cups this season, the players won’t do it for him, he’s alienated most of them already!I obviously meant this season
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
Jesus. 11/12 years? We've been nowhere in the CL for 12 years. Absolutely shocking
He is in the round of 16 in Europa League and has to win that round to achieve his best performance in Europe, he has no real record or pedigree in Europe and has already talked up his excuses by saying a cup win masks over the real problems of a football team, I predict it now, you may time stamp it, if I’m wrong I’ll offer a huge apology, but Amorim is not wining any Cups this season, the players won’t do it for him, he’s alienated most of them already!
We reached the 1/4 final in 2018/19 season under Ole where Barcelona knocked us out 4-0 on aggregate?Jesus. 11/12 years? We've been nowhere in the CL for 12 years. Absolutely shocking
Haha, my bad. But also, in my defense, in my mind that season of the CL was cancelled anyway.No we got there with Ole in 2019, we faced Barcelona and lost 4-0 agg.
He’s not no, however, he’s being manipulated by INEOS/SJR/Berada.Not massively wrong though?
Yeah, we had Pogba Lukaku and Rashford but couldn't lay a glove on them. Poor from us considering Roma beat them a year before and Barca were getting knocked out a lot around that period.Haha, my bad. But also, in my defense, in my mind that season of the CL was cancelled anyway.
2019 CL 1/4 finals so 6 years not 12Jesus. 11/12 years? We've been nowhere in the CL for 12 years. Absolutely shocking
If football was this simple, the best squad would win the PL every season.
Do you think that Forrest have a better squad than City?
They are not playing better than us, ffs.
They sit back deep, grind two results and now they are playing better than us.
Get a grip.
We did it under Solskjaer too.I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
Everything in bold is literally nothing other than the fevered workings of your own mind and yet you state it like it is fact. It's hard to take your arguments seriously because of that.He’s not no, however, he’s being manipulated by INEOS/SJR/Berada.
I’ll explain, he wanted to come in the summer because he’s a switched on guy, they said “Now or Never”
He was clearly given some form of security and budget for January and Summer to rebuild the squad in his own image. What they failed to tell him was the PSR situation was dire and that without European football next year, the club might only be able to spend £60-80m in the summer transfer market.
I’m sure Berrada, Wilcox, Brailsford and SJR imagined that with 27 PL games left, things would only get better, not worse!
Man United, at the time was 4 points off 4th place after 11 games played and had 15 points. They naturally assumed that he might at worst get to 7th place which would most probably be Europa League football next season. The average points for 7th place is about 58/60 points.
The target was clear 45 points in 27 Pl matches improve from 1.36 points per game to 1.66 points per game. There would be no pressure to expect CL football next season but United lowest points tally was 58 points and 8th place in 30 seasons, so that should be obtainable at the very worst.
Fast forward 13 PL games and Ruben has failed immeasurably with 14 points or 1.1 points per game and 7 PL losses or a 54% Loss rate in the EPL! He’s clearly inexperienced at PL level and has a typical hot headed Latin temperament, very much like our captain, it borders on petulance.
He will survive into next season and we shouldn’t be thinking about sacking him, even if we finish 16th, get knocked out of the EL round of 16 and knocked out by Fulham in the FA CUP.
The problem will be during the following season when and if after spending another £200m(but only after selling Mainoo or/And Garnaucho amongst a host of other players ) that the team is still losing, still not playing elite attacking football and players like Garnaucho/Mainoo/Rashford are actually performing at other clubs in a 433 4231 system that fans and inevitably the Club hierarchy will turn on Ruben in ways he can’t comprehend!
2019 CL 1/4 finals so 6 years not 12
Yes it was mentionedWas this reported at the time? I dont recall Ornstein or other reliable journalists mentioning Amorim to be on the shorlist.
Thats cleared it up, thanks for all the sources provided.Yes it was mentioned
I don't think we've been to the CL quarterfinals since Moyes. Was barely given a chance to settle at the club after taking over a team requiring major rebuilding.
He was shite and out of his depth. Doing a good job at Everton isn’t going to change that.
this! quick fixes are horrible in the long run, people today are impatient, can't see the small incremental improvements that Amorim brought to the team, I expect, as in every good and memorable success story, the start to be slow, with a lot of challenges, obstacles, and of course many naysayersI still find it incredible that after 12 years of shitshow, there are posts like "the formation is 80% of our problems".
You are so right guys, we shoud hire Moyes again, he will improve us! I bet he'll get us to 9th place, the genius bastard!
Why would we allow a young and talented manager to actually change things and implement new system and culture, that's crazy talk!
It's not working so well after 3 WHOLE MONTHS, it's obviously never going to work.
Resets and changes in football should happen in a month, tops, otherwise it's bad manager!
Throw away change, throw away vision, no need for structure or strategy.
Just go VIBESCHESTER UNITED all the way, it gave us so much success. I mean, fighting for top 4 and sporadically winning a local cup is what we should be aiming for!
We demand a short term fix immediately!
It was on athletic affiliated podcasts and if you scrape the Internet you may find it.Thats cleared it up, thanks for all the sources provided.
I read your posts every time and wonder how do you post with such certainty and clarity of a situation, that you clearly are not privy to?He’s not no, however, he’s being manipulated by INEOS/SJR/Berada.
I’ll explain, he wanted to come in the summer because he’s a switched on guy, they said “Now or Never”
He was clearly given some form of security and budget for January and Summer to rebuild the squad in his own image. What they failed to tell him was the PSR situation was dire and that without European football next year, the club might only be able to spend £60-80m in the summer transfer market.
I’m sure Berrada, Wilcox, Brailsford and SJR imagined that with 27 PL games left, things would only get better, not worse!
Man United, at the time was 4 points off 4th place after 11 games played and had 15 points. They naturally assumed that he might at worst get to 7th place which would most probably be Europa League football next season. The average points for 7th place is about 58/60 points.
The target was clear 45 points in 27 Pl matches improve from 1.36 points per game to 1.66 points per game. There would be no pressure to expect CL football next season but United lowest points tally was 58 points and 8th place in 30 seasons, so that should be obtainable at the very worst.
Fast forward 13 PL games and Ruben has failed immeasurably with 14 points or 1.1 points per game and 7 PL losses or a 54% Loss rate in the EPL! He’s clearly inexperienced at PL level and has a typical hot headed Latin temperament, very much like our captain, it borders on petulance.
He will survive into next season and we shouldn’t be thinking about sacking him, even if we finish 16th, get knocked out of the EL round of 16 and knocked out by Fulham in the FA CUP.
The problem will be during the following season when and if after spending another £200m(but only after selling Mainoo or/And Garnaucho amongst a host of other players ) that the team is still losing, still not playing elite attacking football and players like Garnaucho/Mainoo/Rashford are actually performing at other clubs in a 433 4231 system that fans and inevitably the Club hierarchy will turn on Ruben in ways he can’t comprehend!
We look crap when we try to be a progressive, ball-playing, pressing team that dominates.There is there argument that we played crap teams and Chelsea.. the crap teams referred to Leicester and we really struggled against them last week.. The standard of football under Amorim has been really dire, with the same players. It is quite clear that it hasn't moved us forward so far, but there is a hope that with more signings and more training time improvement will be made.
We never will either if the fans shit the bed everytime there are teething issues, or the media stick the knife in about our performances. Thankfully Amorim seems to be ignoring them and trying to make this happen.We look crap when we try to be a progressive, ball-playing, pressing team that dominates.
We look better when we just try to be organised and compact, and don‘t worry about dictating the game.
It has been like this for a long time. We can‘t make the step up where we consistently press and keep the ball.
