Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

Manager W D L F A Win %
Solskjaer 15 2 3 42 18 75%
Ten Hag 13 2 5 32 24 65%
Moyes 12 5 3 38 18 60%
Mourinho 11 4 5 33 20 55%
van Gaal 10 6 4 33 23 50%
Rangnick 9 8 3 28 20 45%
Amorim 9 3 8 31 32 45%
Ferguson 8 7 5 25 17 40%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
 
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NLunited said:
We look crap when we try to be a progressive, ball-playing, pressing team that dominates.

We look better when we just try to be organised and compact, and don‘t worry about dictating the game.

It has been like this for a long time. We can‘t make the step up where we consistently press and keep the ball.
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We all want to become that team but it won't happen without some stubbornness and an overhaul where the profiles are clearly defined and targeted.

It was never going to be a quick fix.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

ManagerWDLFAWin %
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer1523421875%
Erik Ten Hag1325322465%
David Moyes1253381860%
Jose Mourinho1145332055%
Louis van Gaal1064332350%
Ralf Rangnick983282045%
Ruben Amorim938313245%
Alex Ferguson875251740%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
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Wow, those are some pretty big percentages. Maybe I underestimated all our managers.
 
Either way the target is to get us challenging for league titles and CL, if that happens then most of these players won’t be here anyway. Ruben must stick to his beliefs and the board would be wise to give him a fair shake.

If we fast forward to this time next year where he’s had a good look at the squad, a summer transfer window, a full pre-season then another winter window and there’s still no marked improvement then we can have that discussion about his future.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Everything in bold is literally nothing other than the fevered workings of your own mind and yet you state it like it is fact. It's hard to take your arguments seriously because of that.
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No they said crack on a get us in a bottom 5 relegation battle, while your at it, make sure you call out the team as the worst in history and then make sure we can’t sell any of our players because a 63 year old goal keeping coach would be a far better option from the bench than our current squad!
 
Still going with my prediction that INEOS will pull the plug with him.

The recent reports about the club's finances signify that the spine of the team will essentially be exactly same after the summer window is closed.

Therefore if Amorim doesn't drastically improve now, the only thing his future is going to depend on is hope.
 
Redstain said:
Still going with my prediction that INEOS will pull the plug with him.

The recent reports about the club's finances signify that the spine of the team will essentially be exactly same after the summer window is closed.

Therefore if Amorim doesn't drastically improve now, the only thing his future is going to depend on is hope.
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Spending tens of millions on constantly hiring and firing managers doesn't sound very logical in that case.
 
Redstain said:
Still going with my prediction that INEOS will pull the plug with him.

The recent reports about the club's finances signify that the spine of the team will essentially be exactly same after the summer window is closed.

Therefore if Amorim doesn't drastically improve now, the only thing his future is going to depend on is hope.
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Really like him and want him to succeed here, but unfortunately I think you're right. There's no money for a rebuild so he has to work with what he's got.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Spending tens of millions on constantly hiring and firing managers doesn't sound very logical in that case.
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The point is that we don't have tens of millions to spend this time around so they might come to the conclusion that we need a coach who can adapt and isn't tied to one formation and way of playing.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

Manager W D L F A Win %
Solskjaer 15 2 3 42 18 75%
Ten Hag 13 2 5 32 24 65%
Moyes 12 5 3 38 18 60%
Mourinho 11 4 5 33 20 55%
van Gaal 10 6 4 33 23 50%
Rangnick 9 8 3 28 20 45%
Amorim 9 3 8 31 32 45%
Ferguson 8 7 5 25 17 40%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
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Yet when people stated Ten Hag should have more time they were shouted down, the only thing you should afford is the time to right person and it won't work for every manager we employ
 
Redstain said:
Still going with my prediction that INEOS will pull the plug with him.

The recent reports about the club's finances signify that the spine of the team will essentially be exactly same after the summer window is closed.

Therefore if Amorim doesn't drastically improve now, the only thing his future is going to depend on is hope.
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This is nonsense! Why would INEOS appoint a manager, who introduce a new system that requires some investment in players that can fit the system, and not support him in doing so? INEOS aren't stupid. They would have appointed a manager, with a system that suited the existing squad, if that was the case (moneywise).
 
Ralph MIlne said:
This is nonsense! Why would INEOS appoint a manager, who introduce a new system that requires some investment in players that can fit the system, and not support him in doing so? INEOS aren't stupid. They would have appointed a manager, with a system that suited the existing squad, if that was the case (moneywise).
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Because we're broke and can't invest in a new squad. Seems INEOS didn't think that through.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

Manager W D L F A Win %
Solskjaer 15 2 3 42 18 75%
Ten Hag 13 2 5 32 24 65%
Moyes 12 5 3 38 18 60%
Mourinho 11 4 5 33 20 55%
van Gaal 10 6 4 33 23 50%
Rangnick 9 8 3 28 20 45%
Amorim 9 3 8 31 32 45%
Ferguson 8 7 5 25 17 40%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
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I was having this thought about SAF so great to see it backed with data.
 
Kayla40TS said:
Well you may be right. I think he's the exact right man to bring us back to the top. And to be honest, results right now don't really matter to me all that much.

For me, if this new regime brought in a hot shot young manager with a new system and a winning attacking mentality only to bin it all after eight months before even giving him a summer window and a pre-season then I'm probably done as a supporter of this club until it's fan owned.
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Any chance that you are overestimating Amorim? ETH had a transfer window but had a better start to his United career. I really hope that Amorim can start to show more progress ahead of summer.
 
Ralph MIlne said:
Well, I disagree. INEOS aren't stupid, and of course they did think that through. Amorim will last thru next season at least. Heavy investment will be made in the summer transfer window
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What is this belief based on? Seems like nothing but wishcasting IMO.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Any chance that you are overestimating Amorim? ETH had a transfer window but had a better start to his United career. I really hope that Amorim can start to show more progress ahead of summer.
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Of course there's a chance I'm overestimating him. ETH didn't join mid-season so comparing the starts, to me, is irrelevant. It holds NO water with me whatsoever. I've seen very real and clear progress with my own eyes over the last month and a half. There's still a very long way to go but that's as much about the dearth of quality in the squad as it is about the manager and the implementation of his tactics/systems.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Spending tens of millions on constantly hiring and firing managers doesn't sound very logical in that case.
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But hiring yet another new manager is probably cheaper than buying players needed to support Amorim's system...

Not saying it's right at all, he at least deserves a season with serious backing in the summer window, but starting to feel like he won't get it.

Disgraceful mismanagement of resources if so, what an insane season this has been from the summer of spending millions supporting Ten Hag. The blame should lie squarely on INEOS and their backroom appointments too.
 
Gavinb33 said:
It's 100% based on nothing, these players will make up 75/85% of the squad next season and whatever players we sign it's fanciful to say they'll all work out as well
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It's frustrating - there are tons of well-sourced posts detailing all our financial constraints and the situation we're in, and yet a lot of posters just cover their ears and say "well I think we'll still spend huge and overhaul the squad this summer".
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

Manager W D L F A Win %
Solskjaer 15 2 3 42 18 75%
Ten Hag 13 2 5 32 24 65%
Moyes 12 5 3 38 18 60%
Mourinho 11 4 5 33 20 55%
van Gaal 10 6 4 33 23 50%
Rangnick 9 8 3 28 20 45%
Amorim 9 3 8 31 32 45%
Ferguson 8 7 5 25 17 40%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
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Ant yet only one have them has lost 40% of those games or 54% in the PL.

I keep saying this is not about sacking RA but supporting him but also explaining to him you can not be a man united manager averaging 1.1 point per PL game and you can not lose 54% of your PL matches.

He could have drawn at least half of those defeats and fans would have give more room to be the poet.

For the last time if we as a football club lose 8 of our last 14 PL matches, then maybe win 4 draw 2 and finish with 43 points in 15th or 16th, he will be under ridiculous pressure next season and we as a club will be right back to where we started at the beginning of this season!
 
I worry about Ruben's decision making,I mean who joins utd when they don't have the players or the money for investment in the squad. Or inos fed him aload of lies about buying this player and that player. Either way ruben is in for a tough run here with the current squad and zero money. Seems like a good coach and very likeable,will be sad to see him fail if he does.
 
crackers0seven said:
I worry about Ruben's decision making,I mean who joins utd when they don't have the players or the money for investment in the squad. Or inos fed him aload of lies about buying this player and that player. Either way ruben is in for a tough run here with the current squad and zero money. Seems like a good coach and very likeable,will be sad to see him fail if he does.
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Well, he didn't want to. I was told now or never. He wanted to wait until the summer.

That being said, if you're being offered it, you'd be stupid to turn it down completely.
 
As long as the form curve begins to upturn, I don’t mind waiting it out for the rest of the season.

Ole and EtH peaked early on and never showed signs of the downward plummet stopping.

Amorim has been rock bottom since day 1.

Time will tell.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Interesting manager stats comparison after twenty games:.

Manager W D L F A Win %
Solskjaer 15 2 3 42 18 75%
Ten Hag 13 2 5 32 24 65%
Moyes 12 5 3 38 18 60%
Mourinho 11 4 5 33 20 55%
van Gaal 10 6 4 33 23 50%
Rangnick 9 8 3 28 20 45%
Amorim 9 3 8 31 32 45%
Ferguson 8 7 5 25 17 40%

Though the fact that OGS, ETH and Moyes are the top three, and Alex Ferguson right at the bottom, probably suggests more than anything how a manager should be judged at the end of their reign at the club and not so early into it!
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Win % is a weird stat. Why not points or xPts really?
 
Woziak said:
No they said crack on a get us in a bottom 5 relegation battle, while your at it, make sure you call out the team as the worst in history and then make sure we can’t sell any of our players because a 63 year old goal keeping coach would be a far better option from the bench than our current squad!
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Does it have to be one of the other? My guess (and note, it is a guess, not gospel truth) is that he said 'OK I'll come now but it might get worse before it gets better', and they said 'bring it on, something needs to change radically here'. That doesn't mean that they'll be happy to wait forever without seeing much progress, but the fact that he was so open right at the beginning about there being storms ahead almost definitely means that they will be more patient than you would like them to be.
 
I think, for sober arguments.


1. Amorim might turn to be a good coach.
2. Amorim might not turn into a good coach.
3. With good support we can get back to being a top four team. 65 point team. Winning 20 games then drawing 5 games.


4. Amorim might be the guy, before the main guy.
5. Amorim might be the GUY HIMSELF.
Using Liverpool as an example,

Is Amorim Rogers or is Amorim Klopp?


It can go both side, by football on the pitch it's 40%-60% good to bad direction.

I believe, the decision makers have decided 343 is the way to go. ( i did watch Milan derby and the way Inter played was excellent, if we play like that, then RoI to us fans will be okay. If 343 can be successful in EPL for a period of time, is what has to be seen.)
 
Gavinb33 said:
Yet when people stated Ten Hag should have more time they were shouted down
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You say that as if those people weren't proven wrong.

"Win percentage in first xx games" is hardly a meaningful statistic. Especially considering the circumstances. If they weren't going to invest in the squad they never should have hired Amorim and it's all on INEOS.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
What is this belief based on? Seems like nothing but wishcasting IMO.
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It's based on INEOS willingnes to sell players from academy (Rashford, Garnacho, Mainoo plus). That will give United great opportunities in the transfer marked. It's an absolutt must for Man Utd to be included in the champions league. They have to be aggressive in that matter.

And yeah..Many economists insist that Man Utd can invest heavily under PSR rulings..
 
RuudTom83 said:
As long as the form curve begins to upturn, I don’t mind waiting it out for the rest of the season.

Ole and EtH peaked early on and never showed signs of the downward plummet stopping.

Amorim has been rock bottom since day 1.

Time will tell.
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Ole went through several long runs of unbeaten form during his time at United. He certainly did not peak early at all. ETH's form ended after the League Cup final and even before that their were signs of it running out of steam. Casemiro and Rashford were vital to ETH in his first 3/4months at United.
 
ChippyTea said:
But hiring yet another new manager is probably cheaper than buying players needed to support Amorim's system...

Not saying it's right at all, he at least deserves a season with serious backing in the summer window, but starting to feel like he won't get it.

Disgraceful mismanagement of resources if so, what an insane season this has been from the summer of spending millions supporting Ten Hag. The blame should lie squarely on INEOS and their backroom appointments too.
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I think we will sign one more wing back. Otherwise I imagine that most of the players he he would want are a similar profile to what any decent manager would want for this squad.

If they were not willing to try buying at least a pair of wing backs and give him some time, then I doubt they would spend millions bringing in a manager who was clear about sticking to a system with wing backs.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Because we're broke and can't invest in a new squad. Seems INEOS didn't think that through.
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It's true that we've got no money, but the rest of your point makes no sense. Eriksen, Casemiro, Sancho, Rashford, Malacia, Lindelof, Antony are all extremely likely to leave in the summer - what we recoup from that will fund some new signings. That situation is the same whoever the manager happens to be so why persist with this bullshit narrative that he needs substantially more players than a different manager would?
 
Gavinb33 said:
Yet when people stated Ten Hag should have more time they were shouted down, the only thing you should afford is the time to right person and it won't work for every manager we employ
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Ten Hag had 2 and a half seasons and 600m.

If Amorim gets 2 and a half seasons and even close to that amount of backing and he is still putting out football as inept as that Ten Hag produced. I imagine everyone who wanted Ten Hag gone would want Amorim gone just the same.

No lack of consistency. Amorim won't even get that much time tbh.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
It's true that we've got no money, but the rest of your point makes no sense. Eriksen, Casemiro, Sancho, Rashford, Malacia, Lindelof, Antony are all extremely likely to leave in the summer - what we recoup from that will fund some new signings. That situation is the same whoever the manager happens to be so why persist with this bullshit narrative that he needs substantially more players than a different manager would?
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I'm not persisting with that narrative, I'm replying to the idea that there's going to be significant investment in the squad to fit his system.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Ten Hag had 2 and a half seasons and 600m.

If Amorim gets 2 and a half seasons and even close to that amount of backing and he is still putting out football as inept as that Ten Hag produced. I imagine everyone who wanted Ten Hag gone would want Amorim gone just the same.

No lack of consistency. Amorim won't even get that much time tbh.
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Exactly! Some of the numpties wanting Amorim gone after 3 months were arguing that Ole still needed more time after 3 fecking years of mediocrity.
 
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