Oh my... DDG? He had great seasons for United but he is absolutely past it and shouldn't be anywhere near a team that tries to become a dominant team. He is so scared of the ball and glued to the line that he alone forces your defence to play 10-15m deeper than they should.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Agree. I can’t say that yet. Time will tell.
David Gill and Peter Kenyon had Sir Alex and Sir Alex and Wenger were the last of their kind in being managers who oversaw everything and basically ran the entire football department so the CEO’s and directors could deal with the financial side of the club, Sir Alex put in a whole footballing structure and would change things round from Kidd to McClaren to Quieroz as far as the assistants and coaching was concerned and implemented the scouting team.
Those days are long gone as there’s more games now so a bigger squad is needed then there’s the importance of nutrition and wellbeing and players being watched in far more regions so someone has to oversee the footballing department whilst the head coach deals with the squad at hand and on pitch matters, a Sporting Director to oversee all whilst implementing an identity from the first team to the academies and working with the scouting and recruitment teams to find players to fit that identity is very important now.
Brailsford is a cycling coach who also worked on performance data and who is only with Ratcliffe through Ineos Cycling whilst Berrada is a commercial deal and sponsorship specialist who does brilliantly in overseeing all but neither are football men who understand setting up footballing structures, on pitch identities, set styles of play, scouting and recruiting players to fit that way or who should be brought in as head coaches or in fact any footballing decisions at all as that has to be either the Sporting Director or the Technical Director dependant on the wording of the job title.
It isn’t just down to finding an exceptional coach as Klopp didn’t want Salah as he was hell bent on Brandt, Mourinho didn’t want De Bruyne and Sir Alex himself made mistakes in the transfer market but now more than ever the head coaches need help and that was why Ashworth was brought in, Ashworth may not have worked out in the long term but based on what’s been reported by respected journalists Ashworth seemed to understand that walking before running was needed and not a hipster coach until we were ready to run.
While what you say isn't strictly wrong, I would argue that these are examples of how a great manager is important to get great results and squeeze as much as possible out of less than ideal or undesired players. While Klopp didn't want Salah when he got him, he made the absolute best out of the situation, Mourinho didn't trust De Bruyne but he had Hazard, Oscar and Willian playing at a very high level and SAF was SAF by the end any player was playing way above his anticipated abilities.
The reason these abilities are extremely important is because mistakes in the transfer market are common, all clubs have to deal with options that weren't at the top of their lists and money is finite, you can't spend without limit. A good head coach, a worthwile head coach needs to maximize his options whether they are part of his ideals or not, it's a prerequisite if a head coach refuse to do it or lacks the abilities to do it then he shouldn't be part of any ambitious club future because these managers will cost you a fortune by being highly inefficient.
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Well DDG form in Italy suggests otherwise !
Indeed it does. Not that this has anything to do with Amorim, but based on what we've been seeing over the last few months De Gea's form is superior to the current form of any United player with the possible exception or Amad Diallo, another player who ETH shunned although was unable to get rid of him altogether.
I was answering about if slot had come this season instead of Amorim with this squad
None of that nordic nonsense in here!
This whole downfall is giving me Schalke vibes (its going t**ts down no matter what United as a club is trzing to do). As in the quality of player, they should compete for top 6, easy. There is just a certain hostility in the club, mixed with expectations from fans and players, that don't mix well with inexperienced managers. Alonso for example was a player that always kept composure under extrem pressure, keeping this mindset as a coach aswell. It is obvious (10 times more than under ETH), that Amorim is stressed out and feeling the pressure. Manchester is no place to experiment right now, it doesn't sit right. As a neutral viewer I am seeing more improvements than downsides since his appointment, but results count in the end. Pressure is only mounting and that extra training session after the game might be right in a consequential way, but not in a educational way.
And my answer is that you don't know, no one does. If Slot happens to be truly elite then he would have the impact of any other elite manager. And I used Klopp as an example for Liverpool.
Would that session have been done at gone 10pm Friday?
Malacia is a fullback though, don’t understand how that relates to Antony or why a few people persisted with this idea of Antony doing a defensive job just because he’s a shit forward.
We did this the last few summers by maxing out the credit cards. Where will the money come from now?
The way some people act is if he shouldn't have any scrutiny in his performance as manager, yes there might be mitigating factors, but the crux of it is this let's say he signs 4 players next window that unless they are 100% successful a lot of players people are saying are the reason we aren't playing well will still be playing next season so he just has to get a tune out of the players he has.
None of this is about sacking him just he and the team need to improve without the need to replace half of them I am not sure why some see this as a controversial thing to say.
None of this is about sacking him just he and the team need to improve without the need to replace half of them I am not sure why some see this as a controversial thing to say.
Now there’s a post that’s right on the money.
Can't we just get another credit card?
It would be nice to at least see some sort of improvement during home matches. But we aren’t even getting that at the moment.
Most of us are just looking for some signs of positivity to get behind this team and manager.
Not sure how you can trust him with another 150m summer spend if there is no improvement.
Most of us are just looking for some signs of positivity to get behind this team and manager.
Not sure how you can trust him with another 150m summer spend if there is no improvement.
I read up that it was going on still at 10:15 so ye
If the transfers are to be handpicked by the manager (again), we'll be going in blindly either way, crossing our fingers and praying for the best.
They’ll have to find a way. We can’t sit on our hands this summer.
I want to scream whenever I see posts that imply the manager should or will be "given a budget" and allowed to drive our transfer strategy. Have we not learned this lesson the hard way, over and over again?
I’ve heard he likes inverted wing-backs, but that wasn’t really a feature of his most recent Sporting side.
Having a player who can drive to the byline and deliver quality crosses would be a big asset for us.
Having a player who can drive to the byline and deliver quality crosses would be a big asset for us.
Makes no sense. Thought this was all going to change when INEOS came in. Maybe it has. Do you think Dorgu was an Amorim signing?
That wasn't the argument. The poster above said that, if we don't move forward a single inch by May, how are we going to invest 150 odd million in his system? I simply argued that, even if we decide to part ways with him next summer, that problem won't go away with the new manager also being "unproven" at this level. It's a bad predicament, no matter what happens. Other than that, we supposedly hired "the best in class" to target the right profiles in the market. Yet, the forward we've been linked with (more than anyone else) is the one the manager had in his previous club. Colour me surprised...
I think it has changed based on our moves to far, thankfully
I'm aware. I was agreeing with you.
Has a fantastic chance and 1 or 2 trophies how. feck the league and go for it I say.
Because he's gotten rid of an underperforming player who's saved us in the past who's undergoing some issues.
Like Amorim is the first person to get rid of underperforming players since Fergie retired. Not true.
We should definitely be winning one of the two.
Teams that could beat us in the Europa League: Bilbao, Sociedad, Frankfurt, Lyon and Spurs.
Teams that could beat us in the FA Cup: City, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Brighton, Villa/Spurs, Forest.
We're capable of losing to absolutely anyone. We're equally capable of giving anyone a game
We have a very low chance of winning either, fantasy to think otherwise the way we’re playing.
Spot on analysis.
Unfortunately with the financial situation we'd probably have to sell Garnacho + Mainoo to fund this otherwise it may take 2/3 windows to fully address everything.
So speaking to people like Inzaghi, Frank, McKenna, De Zerbi, Tuchel and Amorim shows an aligned plan when they all play different formations and styles?
We had some moments of brilliance every now and then, but i think that was an exception. There's no order to our style.
Yeah that part is the highlight, really. The way they move, are not afraid to pass/receive the ball in tight spaces. Impeccable positioning and timing. They're truly a team.
So beating City, Arsenal and a Maguire blunder away from beating Liverpool is not enough to get you trophies?
Get a grip, we are able to perform in big games. Problems come against lesser teams.
Needs to improve our league form and performances regardless of trophies on offer.
I know what you're getting at, but the ability of those two to implement their style of football and try to get the most out of available players is much appreciated.
It's getting to the point where I might fancy us drawing City away more than Plymouth at home.
We are favourites for next to no games at the moment, of course you’re no way near favourites for any kind of trophy when playing like we are. We look like losing every single time we play, it’s deluded to talk about trophies when we’re far more likely to crash out in the next round than to go all the way.