Zirkzee, Anthony and Hojlund are the worst players I've ever seen play for Manchester United. Honestly Bebe and Chadwick were on a different planet.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Yeah. We kind of need a manager that has more than one quality. The ability to speak well. He's been shit so far, apart from talking, he's good at talking.
Amorim's Sporting fed one guy the ball all the time and look at his goal stats. He didn't play a striker, because we don't have a striker and how else does he get his point across to the club other than benching the ones not performing?
If he was playing a more common formation maybe, because you could say if he turns out to be crap the next manager can use them, but not for players that will be dead wood if we go to 433 4231, he just hasn’t shown us that this the way to go.
60 goals 
I mean saying our attack will score 60 goals. I was like which United fan will smoke such crap but then I realized it was as arsenal fan and it made sense. Arsenal fan and talking sense never go together
Dude this team needs to be torn to shreds - what the feck do you guys think, this squad is actually good?
Funny how things become clearer when we fail. Why weren’t they clearer before? I mean we decided to throw out bets on a young manager who led a Sporting team to the title in Portugal. One who had no previous experience in the top 3 leagues. It isn’t Amorim’s fault. It’s the board. We have the history of throwing the dice on big decisions and hoping it sticks
Yeah I do fear such a lack of funds due to dreadful recruitment and the crippling debt will be his downfall
Can you find one team in Europe that has won all of their home games against non top six teams and all of their away games against bottom half teams?
There is a probability to winning/drawing/losing any given football game and the consistency you are expecting in your calculations is seen only in title-winning sides. And even they are unlikely to win all away games against bottom half. You are vastly unserestimating how difficult it is to win games.
I’m not judging him fully this season let him have a pre season a summer of transfers and only then can I judge him. I see potential in his system but we haven’t got the players for it yet and we only got Ugarte who is a real midfielder the rest (Kobbie & Bruno) are inbetweeners and no striker nor do we have a 10 on the left wing that fits the mould of the system. Wingbacks are an issue aswell.
Its difficult to make sense of the team at the moment. We seem to have problems everywhere from attack to MF to Defense to GK. Dorgu will actually be an interesting case study to see if an Amorim signing improves us.
It's all connected, if we attack better we concede less since teams get penned back.
Wing backs pin the opposition full backs to defend. It gets a team to drop back.
I think our midfield and defense is ok, issue is the front players do little to create then the strikers are shit. Being toothless doesn't help us.
We got defenders in this summer, now we have a wingback, we need another then some forward options. It's a slow process.
I hate to be the doom and gloom person but I am getting less and less convinced by our defense. They seem allright on paper but lack pace which is why I think they dont "jump" as often to put pressure on opposition, something which I believe is important in the Amorim system. Excluding Licha and to a lesser extent Maguire, they also seem to lack ball playing skills which I think makes progression very difficult.
whole team is weak. we are rightly in lower mid table as we are really bad.
GK: Onana is good at his feet. but not commanding in box and is not really a good shot-stopper. (need someone more stable. i rather heaton to be honest)
CB: Maguire is slow as heck, cant backpedal quick enough for Amorim's system. His reading is also poor, cant intercept true balls. his jitters spread to rest of team (just like Onana). i think maguire is good for teams that play with a low block like everton, leicester, palace. but a very bad fit for ours. I'd rather trust De Light and Evans for my CCB.
LCB: martinez has courage but lacks aerial ability. part of reason why we concede so many setpieces. Maybe play Shaw who is better in air.
RCB: Yoro needs at least 1 year to settle down. just like arsenal's french CB. he should be learning from others, but now is called on to solve other defender's woes and shortcoming
LWB: Dalot just looks angry and runs like a headless chicken. play Dorgu.
RWB: I think Mazroui is okay there.
DM: Ugarte looks nervy at times and can be physically bullied by others. Not sure why we didnt go in for Amadou Onana, Leicester's Belgian CM or Tielmans.
DM: Casemiro has match intellence but lacks legs. Still I think he should feature more in our matches. he's better there than Mainoo and at least scores setpieces and defends them well.
AM: garnacho is lost in this system. Play Bruno here closer to the attack as he scores and creates goals.
SK: Both our forwards are shot in confidence. Play our 63 year old goalkeeping coach or play Chido-Martins or somebody from the youth-team. anybody.
only player coming out with some credibility this season is amad and bruno. others just suck big time.
GK: Onana is good at his feet. but not commanding in box and is not really a good shot-stopper. (need someone more stable. i rather heaton to be honest)
CB: Maguire is slow as heck, cant backpedal quick enough for Amorim's system. His reading is also poor, cant intercept true balls. his jitters spread to rest of team (just like Onana). i think maguire is good for teams that play with a low block like everton, leicester, palace. but a very bad fit for ours. I'd rather trust De Light and Evans for my CCB.
LCB: martinez has courage but lacks aerial ability. part of reason why we concede so many setpieces. Maybe play Shaw who is better in air.
RCB: Yoro needs at least 1 year to settle down. just like arsenal's french CB. he should be learning from others, but now is called on to solve other defender's woes and shortcoming
LWB: Dalot just looks angry and runs like a headless chicken. play Dorgu.
RWB: I think Mazroui is okay there.
DM: Ugarte looks nervy at times and can be physically bullied by others. Not sure why we didnt go in for Amadou Onana, Leicester's Belgian CM or Tielmans.
DM: Casemiro has match intellence but lacks legs. Still I think he should feature more in our matches. he's better there than Mainoo and at least scores setpieces and defends them well.
AM: garnacho is lost in this system. Play Bruno here closer to the attack as he scores and creates goals.
SK: Both our forwards are shot in confidence. Play our 63 year old goalkeeping coach or play Chido-Martins or somebody from the youth-team. anybody.
only player coming out with some credibility this season is amad and bruno. others just suck big time.
I’d actually be surprised if he lasts until next season. It wouldn’t be his fault either if he decides to walk.
We played with no recognised striker and Bruno was dropping to defence to play the ball out as though he was instructed to do so. Of course we would have no teeth in attack. Really concerned with Ruben's thinking here.
Mistake after Mistake is what reflect our position in the league table.
If Manager doesn't do well with capable players and resource, we can find the new one and move on.
But the core problem are recruitment and contract hand-on, we're at the worst position in the league in my opinion,
The whole team are very weak and lack any capability of possession due to weak technical & intelligence.
If I'm United player and get paid £100,000-200,000/week in early career, I will lost motivation to develop further as well.
Amorim cannot survive with this group of players which the club purchased with expensive fee and got top salary in the industry.
If Manager doesn't do well with capable players and resource, we can find the new one and move on.
But the core problem are recruitment and contract hand-on, we're at the worst position in the league in my opinion,
The whole team are very weak and lack any capability of possession due to weak technical & intelligence.
If I'm United player and get paid £100,000-200,000/week in early career, I will lost motivation to develop further as well.
Amorim cannot survive with this group of players which the club purchased with expensive fee and got top salary in the industry.
This is a myth.
I honestly don’t but this idea that players who are good in one system will be deadwood in another. The problem is that we have shit players, no matter the system. If we get a player like Gyokeres for Amorim, I don’t think any prospective manager will resent inheriting such a player
Yeah we have rolled that dice many times in the last 12 years and landed on snake eyes the majority of it
Need to give him time and patience to build his own squad and coach them in pre-season. Was always going to be a nightmare this season, he's figuring players out at the moment, binning players that should be moved on. Our squad is absolutely terrible quality wise in terms of lots of teams in the league. It's not good enough and not the managers fault. This seasons complete right-off.
Do you have any idea how football works? It’s all about consistency and only 1 team in the league as had that so far which is why there top. But going of your point they should have beaten forest at home and they didn’t. You can’t just say we should be beating every team at home and the bottom teams away from home. Anything can happen in football. You can get dodgy decisions that go against you and cost you games. You can get injuries that affects your team and balance. City should be winning every single game with the squad they have but guess what, they haven’t. Things happen in football that sometimes you can’t control.
I think this is quite clear. One in the mould of GyokeresWhat kind of striker/forward would florish under Amorim's system? (Don't say one who scores goals)
How much would Gyokeres go for I wonder in today’s market? He has played in England before so has some experience that would hopefully guarantee better returns than our resident comic duo, Højlund and Zirkzee.
I reckon we could get him for about 60m which is fairly cheap for an experienced ST that gets you goals. It should be fairly easier signing from teams like sporting.
Totally agree. We still have high level international players like Ugarte, deligt, he's worked with bruno before, amad, martinez, eriksen, mazrouri, then you have mainoo, caz,nacho and had rashford(who he chose to exile) as options. That's a decent base to have a team putting in decent performances. Even ruud who I don't rate as a manager got a tune out of them
there's an argument that results will be up and down and I expected that, I said this season is a write off, but there is no signs of improvements in performances which is very concerning. I thought we looked fluid second half in the europa game when he bought amad and garnacho on, I thought he'd keep the same line up, but feels like he's trying to be too smart for his own good and of course it's hard to judge really on his competency if we are only looking good against farmers in the europa.
He talks a good game and but in recent weeks I found what he's been saying to the media naive, reactionary and immature playing up telling the fans what they want to hear to take pressure off himself Putting the carte before the horse, talking about standards, how players dress, worst team in manchester united history, if you don't train hard to my standard you dont play'' etc as if he's won CL's and already proven himself across multiple top tier leagues. You are not Jose Mourinho or Fergie mate, you don't have that Aura and CV to be throwing your weight around talking how you want to the media before you achieved anything here. Ten Hag made the same mistake
Just because United signed you up as manager doesn't give you all that credit in the bank to act like you are the new SAF
Was it Ole or ETH who did it, with our very impressive home record. I give we won 17 home games. If i am not wrong.
But also.
Tell me how you're going to achieve 75 points without you not winning over 22 games? It's not practical. 22 games gives you 66 points only. Thats is not hard to achieve. You remain with 16 more games. Draw 10 of them, lose 6 of them. You have 76 points.
Probably its hard to achieve for United, but other teams achieve in excess of this points
However poor Zirkzee and Hojlund are in terms of creativity, hold up and link up, runs and movement, positioning. I honestly don't think a world class striker fixes all of our problems.
We are a crap side trying to "dominate" with the most unsuitable system and players for it. Amorim seems to pride himself in having possession, all in non-dangerous areas of the field. We play with 3 offensive players of which one needs to come deep and dictate play..
This kind of 5221 (not 343) set-up is effective for counter football, for direct opportunistic play, not for endlessly having possesion. If he gets the wing backs he wants, and can actually play 343 or 3421, maybe it might work.
Very sceptical of it though.
We are a crap side trying to "dominate" with the most unsuitable system and players for it. Amorim seems to pride himself in having possession, all in non-dangerous areas of the field. We play with 3 offensive players of which one needs to come deep and dictate play..
This kind of 5221 (not 343) set-up is effective for counter football, for direct opportunistic play, not for endlessly having possesion. If he gets the wing backs he wants, and can actually play 343 or 3421, maybe it might work.
Very sceptical of it though.
It’s funny how all you need to do here to get fans onside is stuff that is popular with the majority, like fuxking off Rashford, Antony and Casemiro, despite us looking a much worse team for it
Casemiro was a great in both boxes, absolutely our biggest threat on set pieces and one of the best at defending them. We look laughably bad since we dropped him, but hey, he’s on big money and over 30 so fans are delighted.
Fairly certain his Sporting side would struggle badly if playing the Prem every week.
He needs to stop tinkering with stuff that obviously will never work. He got punished for it yesterday
It’s funny how all you need to do here to get fans onside is stuff that is popular with the majority, like fuxking off Rashford, Antony and Casemiro, despite us looking a much worse team for it
Casemiro was a great in both boxes, absolutely our biggest threat on set pieces and one of the best at defending them. We look laughably bad since we dropped him, but hey, he’s on big money and over 30 so fans are delighted.
Fairly certain his Sporting side would struggle badly if playing the Prem every week.
Yeah, now lots of posters in the Bruno thread are calling for him to be sold. As it is, we have so much difficulty creating and scoring and now we want to sell our most consistent producer.
It's hard. The banishing of Casemiro I don't really understand, don't play him together with Eriksen fine, but he's deserved more minutes.It’s funny how all you need to do here to get fans onside is stuff that is popular with the majority, like fuxking off Rashford, Antony and Casemiro, despite us looking a much worse team for it
Casemiro was a great in both boxes, absolutely our biggest threat on set pieces and one of the best at defending them. We look laughably bad since we dropped him, but hey, he’s on big money and over 30 so fans are delighted.
Fairly certain his Sporting side would struggle badly if playing the Prem every week.
Antony's loan, fair enough, he would never turn his career round here and we don't know how much Rashford is a problem behind the scenes. From the outside looking in, it already looks bad.
Those things arent my main issue with him, just think the tactics/system are really crap. He deserves time, but time doesn't prove or guarantee anything. It might just not work.
I like Amorim. Been like a breath of fresh air, listening to him talk.
But honestly no one gets AVB vibes of him?
But honestly no one gets AVB vibes of him?
Didn't watch the game yesterday but was annoyed that he went again with Yoro at RCB and Mazraoui in wingback position. Hopefully it won't be happening as much with Dorgu coming into the team.
5 days to prepare for Leicester and then 9 for Spurs. Amorim's been mentioning lack of training as a problem multiple times so really hope it'll help that we've got more time to prepare now.
5 days to prepare for Leicester and then 9 for Spurs. Amorim's been mentioning lack of training as a problem multiple times so really hope it'll help that we've got more time to prepare now.
It’s funny how all you need to do here to get fans onside is stuff that is popular with the majority, like fuxking off Rashford, Antony and Casemiro, despite us looking a much worse team for it
Casemiro was a great in both boxes, absolutely our biggest threat on set pieces and one of the best at defending them. We look laughably bad since we dropped him, but hey, he’s on big money and over 30 so fans are delighted.
Fairly certain his Sporting side would struggle badly if playing the Prem every week.
All 3 of those players have been really poor for a prolonged period of time, the problem is as soon as a player stops getting picked their reputations go up and fans start fabricating we are missing them.
We are a really bad team and Amorim needs to improve but trying to get rid of those 3 players is correct, the issue is of course making sure whoever comes in is any good which certainly isn’t guaranteed.
you cannot play Shaw ahead of Licha when he is a sick note most of the time
I have faith in Amorim and I hope we are going to look like a complete different team next season, but I'd love it if he would stop playing both Dalot and Mazraoui on WBs... it really doesn't work.
Needs to find a solution to our home form and fast.
I think he needs to find a settled back line and stick to it, changing it every game isn't helping.
I think he needs to find a settled back line and stick to it, changing it every game isn't helping.
The season is done guys. Just focus on next season.