What attacking options has he missed exactly? He's inherited two poor number 9s who should be leaning their trade with minutes here and there, not primary options at one of the top five clubs in the world
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Ten Hag had a good run in his first season. Small sample since Ole though. I agree with you there. I am surprised we went for Amorim considering our history. I just never like seeing three centre backs on the pitch at home to teams we should be beating. Dalot and Mazraoui are terrible options for him in crucial positions. I'll reserve judgment till next season.
I think it was before LVG. We used to moan about zombie passing under Fergie near the end and how teams would cut us open and outplay us, even at home.
I'm not sure why we haven't been able to have a team that can keep hold of the ball. It's been over a decade for fecks sake
Shouldn't be lower than 6th with the right manager I think. Top experienced players in Bruno, Rashford (gone now), Casemiro, De-Ligt and Lisandro. Talented youngsters in Ugarte, Amad, Zirkzee, Garnacho and Yoro.
Football management needs to balance man management with flexibility and tactical nous.
Your last three coaches have lacked that combination.
You're just delusional, no team has even managed to do that this season and it's not even close to being over yet.
Hasn’t Pep lost the same amount of games as Amorim since he took over?
I swear they have lost almost every single game
Not enough goals in the squad if Rashford doesn't turn up.
Not enough physicality to deal with the transitions and set pieces that are dominant in the PL this season
Goalkeeper is too unreliable
Stars aligned in 4-2-3-1 that this squad was built for I can see top 8, but since we're trying to develop a new game plan it's going to be tougher for a while
Our attacking options are awful, that's a secret to no one. But, that simply cannot keep being a cop out excuse for everything this team is doing wrong at the moment. We are mediocre in all phases of play right now (rest-defence, build-up play, defensive transitions, attacking transitions, pressing, counter-pressing, set pieces, you name it). I'm not for one second buying that these can all be put down to poor number 9s. I remember when Klopp came in, he kept changing between Benteke, Sturridge, Ings and Origi upfront and they were all shite. But, irrespective of the results, you couldn't help but see the clear improvement in their football (particularly in their pressing and transitional play) already. Even forgetting our terrible results, the upgrade in football quality is simply not there at the moment.
The question must once again be asked, is this manager worth investing another fortune in? We have shown no improvement whatsoever since he got here, just the odd game where a bit of individual magic got us through.
I really like the guy but don't think even he, in his wildest imagination thought it'd be this bad. There's only so long you can keep talking about standards as a manager when you're losing nearly every week. Especially at home. Not even drawing but losing badly without even a response to fecking Palace. We can only dress this situation up so much before we all sound delusional to the average non United supporters. We're really in the shits.
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It's a very important question. Do we have enough evidence that this system and tactics will even work in this league. He must be showing more to justify INEOS trust going into the summer, I think.
At the end of the day, he seems a square peg working with a round roster and no club can buy 20 pieces to accommodate one, so…
I hope they are looking at playing 343 with the next manager too, because it looks like we are going to tear this squad to pieces for this system for a manager that will most likely be sacked early next season. To carry such a lack of attack in every single game is without doubt signs of a poor appointment. Wrong ti me to change system and we are in a relegation fight. Not sure what the club wee thinking but RA needs to be bolder otherwise the crowd will be on his back soon. Our inability to score is pissing very single fan off.
We are not in a relegation fight
Getting rid of all of those is good
Hopefully we can develop a few more kids & get a couple of good attackers in in next window or two
Not a single manager suits this squad, because this squad doesn't suit any particular style of play. It's a clash of styles, personalities and players throughout, along with having inexperienced players shoulder the attacking and scoring responsibility (along with the CF's being way off the required level). There's no system or manager who is going to make it click instantly. It needs improvement - up top mainly - and then work in the training ground to rebuild. But without buying a CF not much will change.
Agreed on this point. We have a difficult enough time breaking teams down with a more conventional attacking shape without throwing an extra defender into the mix. We looked our best under Amorim when Mazraoui was occupying one of the 'CB' roles and Amad as a wing back. So basically the same personnel you'd have if the line-up was 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, just with the shape slightly tweaked.
Amorim hating Rashford and not really having any depth in the forward positions has probably made it difficult for him to implement what would be the best version of his system. Zirkzee and Hojlund have both clearly struggled this season and Mount's persistent injury won't have helped but it doesn't make it any less frustrating to watch.
The big concern is we don't look good in defence or attack at the moment, even in some of the games we've won recently. It's difficult to envisage us getting this system working fluently, very few of the current players look comfortable playing this way.
Yes, agreed. I think a 433 or 4231 and maybe 442 sometimes would yield the best results.
If, say a front 4 of; Rashford, Amad, Bruno and Zirkzee played together consistently to build cohesion. That's 60 goals between them imo.
In terms of transitions, I would set you in a midblock most games. Play Casemiro next to Ugarte or Collyer. Mainoo would switch with Bruno and sometimes play wide left.
I'm sorry and I don't support United. But Amorim with some decisions and tactics is actually weakening the team.
United needed a new LB regardless of the manager.
Rashford and Casemiro have been waiting in the departure lounge for about a year.
Hojlund and Zirkzee are hardly naff because of the manager.
If rebuilding the team to suit the manager equals buying a new left back and a new striker then the fans have nothing to worry about.
Rashford and Casemiro have been waiting in the departure lounge for about a year.
Hojlund and Zirkzee are hardly naff because of the manager.
If rebuilding the team to suit the manager equals buying a new left back and a new striker then the fans have nothing to worry about.
What kind of striker/forward would florish under Amorim's system? (Don't say one who scores goals 
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)Yeah I agree with you. The way we are losing games is terrible. Today for some reason was one of the worst under him. Not starting with a striker. Dalot and Mazraoui as wing backs. Bruno deep, where he is the most ineffective. At home, I can't accept that. It was truly awful. If he doesn't get a good run of results to carry us into next season, then I worry for him, because this is the hardest job in football right now.
Fans need to look at the bigger picture, a United manager has never joined at a worse time in my many years of supporting United. Patience, planning and short term sacrifice is needed - people need to remember the 1980s when Fergie turned the club on its head to change the culture, style and mentality at the club and lost big names players along the way (including one to Villa!). Remember how low we sank then?
No one can compare to the great man himself, but one thing Amorim shares more than other recent Utd manager is a vision, self belief, single-minded determination, honesty and we’ve got him on the way up. Amorim is clearly in this for long term and is not going for easy cheap fixes. In amongst the gloom…
- We’re clearly buying - and have the pull to sign - young talents for the long term, Leon, Heaven, Kone, Dorgu, Lusala, Chido. Not all may make it but we appear to be improving and trusting our global scouting and recruitment process
- Suspect this policy will continue into the summer - still have hopes for Nypan, Tel etc as well as picking off more Premier League academy talents and other possible sensible but exciting transfers (Quenda, Gomes, Dibling)
- Mainoo and and Yoro are only 19 with elite potential - hardly any players start at this level at CM or CD at their ages. Their challenges this year are natural for their ages in a struggling side
- Our U18 side is arguably the best since the early 1990s, our U15/U16s intake could turn out even better
- We do have a spine of experienced warriors who will be a good influence over the next 2-3 years - De Ligt, Bruno, Ugarte, Martinez when/if recovers
- We’re adapting to a completely new way of playing that in time, will be more attacking when we have wing backs who suit the style, this should be transformational as it was with Sporting
- The issues of the last few years are clearly recognised and getting players out of the club is being prioritised from the top down (this hasn’t always been the case) over immediate results
It’s crucial that Amorim is given the space, time and support to fix the glaring issues. There are no guarantees but the above gives me belief that he’s on the right - and only - track to get us back up in time. But it won’t happen overnight and there will be pain along the way!
No one can compare to the great man himself, but one thing Amorim shares more than other recent Utd manager is a vision, self belief, single-minded determination, honesty and we’ve got him on the way up. Amorim is clearly in this for long term and is not going for easy cheap fixes. In amongst the gloom…
- We’re clearly buying - and have the pull to sign - young talents for the long term, Leon, Heaven, Kone, Dorgu, Lusala, Chido. Not all may make it but we appear to be improving and trusting our global scouting and recruitment process
- Suspect this policy will continue into the summer - still have hopes for Nypan, Tel etc as well as picking off more Premier League academy talents and other possible sensible but exciting transfers (Quenda, Gomes, Dibling)
- Mainoo and and Yoro are only 19 with elite potential - hardly any players start at this level at CM or CD at their ages. Their challenges this year are natural for their ages in a struggling side
- Our U18 side is arguably the best since the early 1990s, our U15/U16s intake could turn out even better
- We do have a spine of experienced warriors who will be a good influence over the next 2-3 years - De Ligt, Bruno, Ugarte, Martinez when/if recovers
- We’re adapting to a completely new way of playing that in time, will be more attacking when we have wing backs who suit the style, this should be transformational as it was with Sporting
- The issues of the last few years are clearly recognised and getting players out of the club is being prioritised from the top down (this hasn’t always been the case) over immediate results
It’s crucial that Amorim is given the space, time and support to fix the glaring issues. There are no guarantees but the above gives me belief that he’s on the right - and only - track to get us back up in time. But it won’t happen overnight and there will be pain along the way!
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This fear that we’ll blow 200m, or whether or not to let Amorim spend money is daft.
We’re in this hole because we haven’t been signing good players. Good players are flexible across multiple systems.
If we blow 200m on bad players, it has feck all to do with Amorim.
We’re in this hole because we haven’t been signing good players. Good players are flexible across multiple systems.
If we blow 200m on bad players, it has feck all to do with Amorim.
How do you imagine our squad building would be different if we "invest in Amorim" rather than investing in any other manager?
Take the one signing we've made in Dorgu, for example. You could absolutely see signing a wingback as "investing in Amorim". But he's also more simply a left-back who was linked with a host of other top clubs in the past, with us needing a left-back regardless of who the manager is. In other words if he's good enough then that's a successful investment for any manager we will have in the next decade.
The entire point of having a club-led recruitment system is that recruitment is an investment in the club, not the manager.
It's about to become even more sideways and stagnant in the back 3 with Martinez out, he's been the one CB that can actually deliver a good ball forward. I don't see Rubin adjusting in any way to this.
I have to keep reminding myself that even if United hadn't signed Dorgu and didn't make a single signing this summer, they'd still spend £154m on transfers this year thanks to our enormous transfer debt.
Being generous the club are clearly thinking that we're going to continue to get inconsistent mid results in the league playing this way and are looking at the next big thing.
Their evaluation is clearly that the 3-4-3 is going to be the best counter to the current trend in the PL and obviously that's going to take time to implement since we lack wingbacks and a striker
6th?? No chance.
I just hope that he will take the risk in PL and give the youth the chance now since the seniors have failed to adapt to his system. I would rather we lost experimenting with youngsters then continue playing like this. Enough is enough.
So do most think Ruben should get a free pass this season and then next season the goal should be TOP4 or TOP6?
Can't afford to keep losing games at home, otherwise will be in trouble and maybe not even get a summer window to sign players.
I can easily see us finishing 16th. Everton and west ham are 2 and 3 points behind, with a game in hand, and seem to be coming into form under new managers. Unless dorgu is a secret danish prime Gareth bale dont see much changing from here on in, we are on a point a game under amorim.
We’d do well to finish outside the bottom 6.
The funniest thing is for me, everyone talks about weathering the storm for a summer rebuild. What rebuild? We have no cash, no saleable assets and tight ffp margins. And a feckpile of transfer fee instalments due for trash we already wasted money on.
Doesnt much matter who the manager is for the foreseeable future
Absolutely no chance that front 4 hits 60 goals between them.
When you dont know what you are doing, its not hard to have a nice streak. Suck up to the players, and let it run. It ends, sooner or latter.
When you try to build for the long run and for a long time, its much harder. You have to show your hand, and confront everybody. Some will like, others wont.
That why people keep saying growth is hard. Because it forces you to look at your work with honesty and humility.
When you try to build for the long run and for a long time, its much harder. You have to show your hand, and confront everybody. Some will like, others wont.
That why people keep saying growth is hard. Because it forces you to look at your work with honesty and humility.
I love Amorim but I don't ever think I'll like that system. It won't work long term, I'm already thinking about the next guy with the players he might have. Shame
I'm not against the system particularly. I have loved watching Wolves this year who play the same system.
But a system and way of playing are not the same things. To effectively play any system it requires the right profiles, tactical cohesion and a coach with vision
Rashford- 20-25
Bruno - 15
Amad - 12-15
Zirkzee - 10-12
If they were given consecutive game time to build an understanding; that attack could easily get 50-60 goals.
It's on the manager to unearth his teams talent and maximize them
What rubbish is this. When has rashford ever hit 20 goals in the league under any manager. Amad is still developing and Zirkzee so far doesn't even look like a footballer.
They're not cursed like United. It won't work with Amorim or anyone. We have to pay for our success under SAF like we stole it or something, we didn't, we earned every bit. But here we are, and will remain..