Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

OverratedOpinion said:
He's been here 3 months with a bang average team bereft of confidence.

The players performed just as badly under 3 managers in a row but you lot are convinced that the problem is one of the most promising young managers in Europe.

Nowhere near even beginning to doubt.
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100% this.
 
Posh Red said:
I don’t get why people feel the need to get so angry and impatient with the new manager. But it’s something I’ve come to expect from the online fanbase, now.
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Who’s angry? I’m at the stage of laughing at how bad our appointment is currently going, we laughed at Woy Hodgson man, and we’ve literally got a manager talking Billy Big Balls every week averaging a point per game, a 36 point season if you like.
 
I prefer watching this to ETH’s broken football.

This is not on him. This is deeply systemic. Deeply rooted incompetency and malaise. It’s going to take a long time to turn things around.
 
Posh Red said:
Calling someone a ‘dog shit manager at this level’ isn’t making a judgement on someone? Okay
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His results have been dogshit overall, I don’t think there’s much argument against that.

My worry is he’s making some calls that even us armchair fans can see are bad ideas. Newcastle setup one of the worst I’ve seen but I thought maybe he just doesn’t really know the league/teams, today’s false 9 obviously a bad move given they play similar to our back line.

I can honestly see him getting canned before seasons end and then go for someone like Iraola if this keeps up.
 
Worrying signs. Why Mainoo up front instead in one of the 10 positions? Why not Amad wb again? Why Yoro instead of Maz at RCB when he looks pretty overwhelmed at the moment?
 
UnitedSofa said:
sacking the manager and getting someone else in will not matter

Who might i like to add, will be the same philosophy as Ruben Amorim, because that's the way that the new regime want to play, because we sure as feck ain't changing to yet another formation or style of play. Will get the exact same results. So no, sacking Amorim will not make a blindest bit of difference whatsoever.
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The club has invested almost nothing in players to fit this system - the modest fee for Dorgu and that's it. Maybe even he could fit at left back rather than wing back.

It is about easiest possibility for a clean break with a formation that it's possible to have.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’n sorry but this is totally wrong
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Fair enough, you’re entitled to your opinion. As am I. I’ve watched United since the 80’s, this is the worst I’ve seen. We have gotten worse since Amorim took over, the players can’t get his system yet he is dogmatic in his approach. He needs to make adjustments to the style and buy players suited to the system but at this rate he could be doing so in the championship.
 
How has he not got his first choice 11 yet though? He must have seen enough of this lot to know where he wants to play them.
  • Back 3 chopping and changing every game
  • Playing Maz at WB is just horrible, play Amad there who has done well before and actually creates chances
  • Mainoo tried as a CM, AM, False 9
  • Hojlund and Zirkzee in and out (rightly so but he needs to show faith in one and go with it)
  • Bruno switching between CM & AM
We need a settled 11 and only rotate if really needed.

I like him but he’s not helping himself at all and I have little patience after putting up with ETH’s self destructive team selections.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I can honestly see him getting canned before seasons end and then go for someone like Iraola if this keeps up.
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Who would implement his system and would require even more players. It's a never ending cycle of failure. It has to stop somewhere so that's why I think INEOS will stick with him. If it does turn to shit and we end up down among the dead men, INEOS can always point to the prior regime even though they opted to allow it to continue. Funny how we haven't heard a peep from Ashworth since he left. I'm sure he'd have some good insights to share.
 
witchtrials said:
The club has invested almost nothing in players to fit this system - the modest fee for Dorgu and that's it. Maybe even he could fit at left back rather than wing back.

It is about easiest possibility for a clean break with a formation that it's possible to have.
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Regardless, this is the way they want to play.
 
You've just got put all your trust into this been the pain before we see the true benefits. Klopp and Arteta style.

He's certainly shaking things up and sticking to formation no matter what, so is a man with total faith in what he's doing.
 
He needs to improve things drastically very quickly. I honestly can't see Ineos making the same decision that they did last summer and keeping a manager who's results just don't justify it.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
His results have been dogshit overall, I don’t think there’s much argument against that.

My worry is he’s making some calls that even us armchair fans can see are bad ideas. Newcastle setup one of the worst I’ve seen but I thought maybe he just doesn’t really know the league/teams, today’s false 9 obviously a bad move given they play similar to our back line.

I can honestly see him getting canned before seasons end and then go for someone like Iraola if this keeps up.
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I think its a mess and we are all frustrated. INEOS track record in sport is mixed to poor, and Jim seems to be interfering too much. Ashworth was hired to create a system and then sacked before he could do it. I assume he opposed Amorim as a system manager and right now he is looking right. Today's formation was a mess and its not helping the players when they already struggle to adapt. I am really not liking the back 3, there is a reason no other top team across the major European leagues play this system. Other teams are exploiting the uncertainties the system creates for the back 3. We also end up with too many defensive players on the pitch so have no goal threat. It was reported Liverpool passed on him as the system didn't suit their squad (and it certainly doesnt suit ours) but also they felt it was too reactive. I am concerned this is going to end badly.

The other big picture thing is we are seeing the impact of years of gross mismanagement under the Glazers, appointing idiot CEOs who in turn surround themselves with muppets. Our financial firepower has been wasted and we are now in a hole. I am struggling at this point to see how we are ever competitive under the dead hand of the Glazers. And Radcliffe is now squandering his opportunity. Its not good.
 
UnsungHero said:
This post needs pinning at the top of the forum.

Some of our fans are just spectacularly entitled and clearly have no clue how a rebuild works.
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I normally don't get riled by posts on here but my word this one does my head in. So it's being "spectacularly entitled" for Manchester United fans to expect better than relegation form?

Is it being spectacularly entitled to be asking the manager to show something positive and to show us a team that resembles atleast like a top half team and not a pub level team? Is this where we are at? How low would Amorim need to drag us down before people question him?

And don't come at me with the "not his team" shit. Coaches primary responsibility is to get better performances with whatever players he has and not a single player appears to have improved under him.
 
Moriarty said:
Who would implement his system and would require even more players. It's a never ending cycle of failure. It has to stop somewhere so that's why I think INEOS will stick with him. If it does turn to shit and we end up down among the dead men, INEOS can always point to the prior regime even though they opted to allow it to continue. Funny how we haven't heard a peep from Ashworth since he left. I'm sure he'd have some good insights to share.
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His system is very basic - literally just based off graft and pressing. Would be probably the easiest style to build off (it’s no different on paper at all high level to Jose/Ole ball really). Amorim seems to not really want a high press, not really want uber high possession, it’s all a bit of a mess and as much as some players need upgrading, so do most other teams and managers have the same issues. Conte is a back 3 nutjob and he’s on track to win serie A having changed to a back 4.
 
The previous 'system' had us underlying (xPts) numbers of 15th in the league.

We brought in basically no players who improved that starting line up and we're still performing at a similar level. Managers aren't miracle workers. It's mostly down to players.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Liverpool were in the CL final weren’t they? In year one?
Arsenal won the FA Cup?

None had anything like 1 point per game, none were drastically worse than their predecessor.
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No, EL final.

Which we probably will, too. Have you seen the other teams in the competition?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
His results have been dogshit overall, I don’t think there’s much argument against that.

My worry is he’s making some calls that even us armchair fans can see are bad ideas. Newcastle setup one of the worst I’ve seen but I thought maybe he just doesn’t really know the league/teams, today’s false 9 obviously a bad move given they play similar to our back line.

I can honestly see him getting canned before seasons end and then go for someone like Iraola if this keeps up.
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No one is arguing about the poor results. That would be absurd.
 
I think he should stay and get the players he wants and the formation he wants to play right and any talk of him being sacked is totally wrong.
He has a plan and need time to get it right.
If results carry on like this , out of every cup and near relegation, would it be a huge shock if he was sacked ? Personally I think it would, but stranger things have happened.
This is aimed at those that think he should be sacked.
 
Young, highly rated manager who had domestic success but is wedded to a particular style and formation? The second coming of Andre Vilas Boas
 
saik said:
I normally don't get riled by posts on here but my word this one does my head in. So it's being "spectacularly entitled" for Manchester United fans to expect better than relegation form?

Is it being spectacularly entitled to be asking the manager to show something positive and to show us a team that resembles atleast like a top half team and not a pub level team? Is this where we are at? How low would Amorim need to drag us down before people question him?

And don't come at me with the "not his team" shit. Coaches primary responsibility is to get better performances with whatever players he has and not a single player appears to have improved under him.
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Bruno, Maguire, Amad (drastically), De Ligt - all better under him imo.
 
Leftback99 said:
The previous 'system' had us underlying (xPts) numbers of 15th in the league.

We brought in basically no players who improved that starting line up and we're still performing at a similar level. Managers aren't miracle workers. It's mostly down to players.
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Some people need to literally drink this.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think he should stay and get the players he wants and the formation he wants to play right and any talk of him being sacked is totally wrong.
He has a plan and need time to get it right.
If results carry on like this , out of every cup and near relegation, would it be a huge shock if he was sacked ? Personally I think it would, but stranger things have happened.
This is aimed at those that think he should be sacked.
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He shouldn’t be sacked but equally he needs to be getting better results than losing to all bar Southampton and expecting everyone to wait patiently for these new ‘system’ players to come in in the summer.

He needs to be getting better results with what he has now and then progress further when he gets players in he wants.
 
saik said:
I normally don't get riled by posts on here but my word this one does my head in. So it's being "spectacularly entitled" for Manchester United fans to expect better than relegation form?

Is it being spectacularly entitled to be asking the manager to show something positive and to show us a team that resembles atleast like a top half team and not a pub level team? Is this where we are at? How low would Amorim need to drag us down before people question him?

And don't come at me with the "not his team" shit. Coaches primary responsibility is to get better performances with whatever players he has and not a single player appears to have improved under him.
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Lad remove your emotions. United aren’t a good team, we’ve been through many managers and it’s the same stuff. This season alone, our players couldn’t even bury a game with so many chances.

Our attackers are bad.
Our wingers can’t dribble past players in the PL.
Our defenders can’t move the ball quick and don’t like pressing.
Our midfield aren’t comfortable on the ball, can’t turn defence to offence.
Our keeper likes to make howlers.

It’s a big job, starting from mentality.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
He shouldn’t be sacked but equally he needs to be getting better results than losing to all bar Southampton and expecting everyone to wait patiently for these new ‘system’ players to come in in the summer.

He needs to be getting better results with what he has now and then progress further when he gets players in he wants.
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Fair comment
 
Amorim's job is to improve results now...the future and building 'his' team is all good and well but right now he is failing. If he can't do anything about results now, then it really doesn't say much about his abilities.

Moyes has walked in to a team that's been on the verge of relegation for years and wins 3 out of 4 games with instant improvement and we see 'poor' teams punch above their weight all the time.

I realise the club is in a bad state and patience/time is something he needs to be given but he really isn't doing a good job on the pitch.

In fairness he seems a smart guy and I like the Rashford approach but it's not enough and he needs to start producing better results quickly.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
He shouldn’t be sacked but equally he needs to be getting better results than losing to all bar Southampton and expecting everyone to wait patiently for these new ‘system’ players to come in in the summer.

He needs to be getting better results with what he has now and then progress further when he gets players in he wants.
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If we are on this level in April then what would you do?
 
saik said:
I normally don't get riled by posts on here but my word this one does my head in. So it's being "spectacularly entitled" for Manchester United fans to expect better than relegation form?

Is it being spectacularly entitled to be asking the manager to show something positive and to show us a team that resembles atleast like a top half team and not a pub level team? Is this where we are at? How low would Amorim need to drag us down before people question him?

And don't come at me with the "not his team" shit. Coaches primary responsibility is to get better performances with whatever players he has and not a single player appears to have improved under him.
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Against the backdrop of the issues at the club, yes it is entitled and shows a poor understanding of how a rebuild works. Ultimately we are a mid-table side, who are currently mid-table. Our form since the turn of the year has actually been reasonably good. People are just sat here waiting to lose their minds whenever we lose a game. It's boring now.

I am not going to blindly defend him, but there are plenty of mitigating factors in his favour:

- INEOS have created a lot of negative feeling around the club.

- The players aren't really top 6 standard, and their confidence is very low. They come under massive amounts of pressure every week, more so than any other club.

- He came in at the worst time of the season, minimal training sessions and 3 games a week for the first 6 weeks or so.

- These players have been putting in the same old shite performances for the past several years, they are just a bad bunch.

- He's got a very clear and fairly unique tactical style, and he said he won't deviate from that. This was almost certainly made clear when he took the job.

That last point is the one criticism I would have, I think adaptability is important and all the best managers seem to be pretty fluid. I think you could argue he should have started with a regular 4231, tried to motivate the players a bit, and slowly transition to his system, but he has tried to explain the logic behind this.
 
We've got basically one game a week for most of this month. We need to see improvement by the end of February. There will be time on the training pitch without worry of only focusing on recovery.

If we continue to struggle for the rest of the season he's almost a dead man walking next season and both himself and Berrada will be gone before the end of 2025.
 
VivaJesperBlomqvist said:
Bruno, Maguire, Amad (drastically), De Ligt - all better under him imo.
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Bruno, Maguire and De Ligt all performed similarly even before Amorim joined. Amad you can say he's got more chances to show what he can do under Amorim as he was being rotated under ETH but nothing concretely suggests he improved because of Amorim or his system.
 
Leftback99 said:
The previous 'system' had us underlying (xPts) numbers of 15th in the league.

We brought in basically no players who improved that starting line up and we're still performing at a similar level. Managers aren't miracle workers. It's mostly down to players.
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Look at Moyes at Everton, he hasnt signed any players to improve his starting line-up yet has got the awful squad he inherited playing good Football and winning games already.

When your team is playing as awfully as ours is and is being continously being embarrased at home by teams like Forest, Bournmouth, Brighton, Southampton, and Palace it is a much the fault of the manager as it os the players.

Ruben has had 4 months to train the squad to play his system and we dont really look any better at playing it than we did in the first game at Ipswich.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Look at Moyes at Everton, he hasnt signed any players to improve his starting line-up yet has got the awful squad he inherited playing good Football and winning games already.

When your team is playing as awfully as ours is and is being continously being embarrased at home by teams like Forest, Bournmouth, Brighton, Southampton, and Palace it is a much the fault of the manager as it os the players.
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Literally all of those teams have stronger more athletic players than us.
 
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