With the clowns at the helm ? Who knows. All the new guys, none of their previous teams played with a back 3 and and wingbacks
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I've got to ask, though, which system should they have had in mind when hiring the new manager?
I entirely agree with people saying that Amorim's system is not the one to get the best out of this current squad, but I'm not sure I agree that it's even desirable to be hiring on that basis given that the current squad is awful and needs so much work done anyway.
As I pointed out earlier, no matter which manager you hired you'd be needing a left-back and a striker at an absolute minimum and probably quite a bit more on top of that before the side is anywhere near functional. The real issue is that whilst Murtough and Arnold were sat over Ten Hag, our transfer strategy was so piss-poor that we spent over £600 million on players with almost no improvement in the squad to show for it. What's really telling is that if you were to construct a best XI for us right now, even using the 4-2-3-1 system it was built to play, probably the only players signed under Murtough and Ten Hag's watch who'd be in it would be Onana and Licha, and it's not as though Onana is considered one of our star performers either. Ugarte, De Ligt and Mazraoui would be in there as well but all three were signed under INEOS.
Murtough spent hundreds of millions over the past five years and left us with arguably one or two players of any current value to show for it.
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Nicely seen! I’ll change that and act like it was always correct
This argument again. At least 5 or 6 United players would walk into the Palace team.
If you swapped the entire squads around pre match, it would probably still end up 2-0 Palace.
Except during the summer when they were interviewing prospective new managers they disregarded Amorim as his tactics did not fit the squad ETH had built. Then they decided no manager was good enough for them, or they just didn't want to come here, they decided to keep ETH. Then completely to nobodies surprise it all went t*ts up they bafflingly decided to go for the guy they didn't want in the summer.
Errrmmm Bruno and Amad at this point, rest are very meh. Though difficult to judge objectively when you’re being coached so badly.
Bigger question is who has the better Manager?…I think we do tbh.
Considering the already sorry state of the squad, I'd have gone for a manager with a system that didn't require wingbacks.
Yes it was atrocious under ETH, no one is ever gonna doubt but having a very rigid manager made what was already an incredibly difficult task, even harder
The whole idea of a footballing structure is sustainability regardless of the manager right? So it would make sense to go in a direction with many potential future candidates. And I don't think Amorim would count towards that
Total madness to change system and manager in midseason.
But like, what direction was that? I'm asking because I don't see that Ten Hag had us pointed in anything like the right direction to begin with, so I'm not sure whether it would make sense to hire a "continuity" candidate given the state of play when he was sacked.
I don't disagree that Amorim wasn't the ideal choice as far as suitability for the current squad is concerned but when the current squad would've needed so much work no matter who was hired, I'm not entirely sure that it would've made sense to make that the number one criteria for any new hire anyway.
Ugarte, Mainoo, Amad from our starting players today. Honestly Will Hughes looked like his football manager potential from ten years ago had actually come true. Dreadful dreadful performance aside from the first ten minutes.
Oh okay, let me jump on the wagon then...
*cough cough*
AMORIM IS A FRAUD, WORST MANAGER EVER, SACK HIM NOW BEFORE HE DESTROYS US IN THE SUMMER!
When do I post this about Ireola, november this year or february next?
Tough to keep an eye on the schedule.
Also, am I allowed to post after a win?
Oh I was rather thinking ahead. If/when Amorim needs replacing, it will be very hard to do without another shift in system. Could've brought in someone who builds a squad that doesn't need immediate replacing again for the guy after him
No, I am not an ardent Ole fan. You made that up in your head.Especially for a system that historically isn’t a particularly used or successful one. And a manager who, despite a good start to his career, is incredibly young and completely unproven at that top level.
We’ve put all our eggs in an incredibly risky basket. Hopefully it turns out to be genius. But it’s just as likely to end in disaster.
The signs so far, have not been promising.
If he doesn’t turn things around quickly and if results carry on like this until the end of the season, he’ll be very lucky to get a second season.
Sure but as I've already said, is it really wise to hire someone to work with the squad you've got when the squad you've got needed so much work anyway? As that AcademyScoop fella put it in the Twitter video, if we'd hired a "continuity" candidate to follow on from Ten Hag our ceiling would still have been whatever the level of the current group is and I don't think it's particularly clear that's the desirable option.
Absolute madness. I don't blame Amorim, he who he is and he has his principles.
I just don't understand wtf Ineos expected
How are the results not his fault? How is picking dalot and mazroui at WB and Mainoo at false 9 not his fault?
Not a successful one? Eh?
2 UCL’s and a PL
I’d take that. Good lord almighty above
I'm pretty sure I've seen you running around defending his honour.
We were something like seven points off, it was totally doable with the right approach. On paper, Forest should not be a top 3 team yet they are because Nuno has the right approach.
No you haven't, stop lying.
Forest were pretty close to getting relegated last season and look at them now. Some really good recruitment over the summer and we can be a lot better next season. Of course that’s not as easy as it sounds but players don’t down tools as much as people make out.
The big thing for Amorim will be starting well next season, if he starts next season in a similar way he will be gone well before Xmas.
Not necessarily ETH continuity because that was a crazy rubbish formation in of itself but surely a system that didn't require the use of wingbacks who are the 2 most players for a system like this to work.
If we had the right players to transition more or less seamlessly into this system, I wouldn't have been as annoyed as I am with INeos.
They clearly underestimated this squad and its adaptability to something completely different.
People need to rewatch the Southampton game. And that's a championship level squad.
It's the fact the club gave him an ultimatum that it was take the job mid season or never. So what if he had said no. Did they have someone in mind as a backup. If they did, why didn't they employ that particular manager in the summer when they were interviewing candidates.
Yes, I have.
I’d expect better performances, I’m not too fussed about the results now this season. If we are still playing as poorly then I’d see who else might be available in the summer, but I’d not know who to go for as I thought/ think Amorim would have had us playing better by now.
Well then provide evidence.
The Athletic made sure to point out that Ashworth did not want Southgate in to replace ETH during the season.
The names were Thomas Frank, Marco Silva, and Eddie Howe. And Potter as interim. Because we messed up in the summer and didn't get Tuchel or De Zerbi.
The points gap was always going to get bigger, there are better teams than us. This group of players is not going to finish in the top 4 irrespective of the manager. We were 8th last season, 14th when Amorim took over, we’re mid table.
You think 3/5 at the back is a historically popular and successful system? Very few managers use it. And there’s probably a good reason for that.
There you go
Nuno is doing a great job, yet Spurs got rid. Sometimes it is just timing and support a particular manager need to succeed.
He is if you never want to win anything. Southgate in next.
The ultimatum was just the sign they lost the situation. They knew they fecked up in the summer
Saying it’s the system is a cop out to what is actually happening on the pitch
Nobody knows how the points gap will look in two days let alone a few weeks. No one predicted City's collapse or Forest's rise. Most people on the caf assumed a better season for us, I didn't because ETH was an awful manager. I could still have been proven wrong though.
The fact of the matter is, when Amorim took over his run was doable. Instead it's been made way more difficult by himself than it needed to be.
It depends though. Barca with Xavi/Inesta/Busqueys pressed immensely without many/if any athletic freaks. They just had a system and were aggressive/fit. Our system seems designed for a lot of broken play/counters which then, in turn, demands more athleticism. It doesn’t have to be that way it’s a choice.
And he could have said no.