Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

hellhunter said:
I'm sure both would've been totally happy with 1ppg.

And for every Arteta, there's Bayern and the Spaniards sacking managers every year while still winning the lot
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Both also inherited vastly different situations than United, so arguably shouldn't have been given the time that they have been given.

United's team is in the gutter, the confidence is in the gutter, it's a very unique situation and sacking the manager and getting someone else in will not matter

Who might i like to add, will be the same philosophy as Ruben Amorim, because that's the way that the new regime want to play, because we sure as feck ain't changing to yet another formation or style of play. Will get the exact same results. So no, sacking Amorim will not make a blindest bit of difference whatsoever.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Probably Ashworth was against this appointment for this reason and he was shown the door?
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That's how I read the situation. He wanted a less sexy, transitional appointment who would be content working with the existing squad while the club slowly sorts out the financial side of the house.
 
Fracture90 said:
Difference being that you could see the change in the way they managers were setting them up, the style of play etc. We just look poor.
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Not really true that though is it? Home games where we are expected to take the initiative yes, but away games we’ve looked pretty decent and the Anfield performance was really good. You can clearly see the style change and saying you can’t is either disingenuous or worse.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He's been here 3 months with a bang average team bereft of confidence.

The players performed just as badly under 3 managers in a row but you lot are convinced that the problem is one of the most promising young managers in Europe.

Nowhere near even beginning to doubt.
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This post needs pinning at the top of the forum.

Some of our fans are just spectacularly entitled and clearly have no clue how a rebuild works.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Haven’t you heard?
This is no ordinary club, this is Manchester United where every manager needs 300 million, 10 new players & at least 2 years before we can judge them.
No manager can possibly be expected to improve the current players.
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This is my biggest complaint with Amorim, we haven’t improved at all but actually are going backwards. We can hide behind the change in formation all we want, and rightly complain about our brain dead players but Amorim and his coaching team have to be getting more out of them.

I’ll give him the first half of next season to start seeing improvements then all excuses are out the window.
 
BluesJr said:
He’s been here literally 2 minutes.
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Unless you have been living on a planet orbiting an object with a strong enough gravitational force which would have exposed you to some extreme time dilation, he's been her for more than 3 months.
 
stevoc said:
So why have we decided to change to a new formation that will probably require more investment than we would have needed otherwise?
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How much more investment it requires long term is debateable though.

Even at the start of the season under ETH, the CEO described the idea of winning the league in 2028 as an ambitious aim. By the time ETH was fired, that timeline can only have looked even more improbable.

So if the club's starting point was that we were looking at a 4+ year rebuild anyway, the impact Amorim's system has on the amount of investment needed is marginal. Because you're effectively talking about building a new team regardless.
 
Fracture90 said:
Unless you have been living on a planet orbiting an object with a strong enough gravitational force which would have exposed you to some extreme time dilation, he's been her for more than 3 months.
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3 months is nothing in terms of training, particularly at this time of year.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
All it took was our worst start under a new manager ever.
A manager averaging a point a game, absolute relegation shite and a bloke who looks like he’d cream in his pants if he could play 10 defenders and a keeper.

Hopefully he’ll get another signing or two in now so we can judge if he can have potential here or if he’s just a bit crap.
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Why bother? You’ve already judged him, clearly.
 
Drainy said:
He wanted to play a high press and settled into a midblock because players were incapable
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He signed Antony, Zirkzee, Højlund, De Ligt, Maz, Mount, Martinez.
If he couldn’t get it to work, that was on him. As I say, that Ajax system IS AJAX system, it’s not a ETH thing and ultimately it proved that outside of that environment in the Premier League, he couldn’t coach it.
 
BluesJr said:
Not really true that though is it? Home games where we are expected to take the initiative yes, but away games we’ve looked pretty decent and the Anfield performance was really good. You can clearly see the style change and saying you can’t is either disingenuous or worse.
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So help me understand then. In those extremely limit occasions when we showed some glimpses of good play, it was Amorim's merit...but the other side of the coin, when we play like utter shiit for 98% of the time, it's exclusively on the players?
 
hellhunter said:
With our current PPG, we'd be 16th if Amorim coached us from the start of the season
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I meant with another manager. We have been going backwards since SAF left, a trophy here and there does not disguise that. Too many players built up as world class over the years, when really just average, too higher wages, no planning regarding squad building or recruitment of managers. We are a mess that has been years in the making.
 
Fracture90 said:
So help me understand then. In those extremely limit occasions when we showed some glimpses of good play, it was Amorim's merit...but the other side of the coin, when we play like utter shiit for 98% of the time, it's exclusively on the players?
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This is always how the Caf goes, right? And then towards the end of a manager's stint, it turns around and we're Moments FC
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He signed Antony, Zirkzee, Højlund, De Ligt, Maz, Mount, Martinez.
If he couldn’t get it to work, that was on him. As I say, that Ajax system IS AJAX system, it’s not a ETH thing and ultimately it proved that outside of that environment in the Premier League, he couldn’t coach it.
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Spot on
 
BluesJr said:
3 months is nothing in terms of training, particularly at this time of year.
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You had instances of managers coming in and hitting the ground running in the past. What's weird there's usually a purple patch when the new manager comes in.

We didn't have that under Amorim.

Anyway we're moving in circles here, your reluctance to attach any blame to Amorim is a tad bit odd.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Absolutely not, I’ve judged his start as:

• likeable as feck
• top bloke
• dogshit manager at this level so far

But I’ll keep reassessing that as the weeks go on and hopefully the charismatic feck will start improving and win me over.
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Says he's not judged him - then lists reasons why he's judged him :lol:
 
Fracture90 said:
So help me understand then. In those extremely limit occasions when we showed some glimpses of good play, it was Amorim's merit...but the other side of the coin, when we play like utter shiit for 98% of the time, it's exclusively on the players?
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We are losing games because the players aren’t adapting to a completely new style of play and most of them aren’t capable but it’s better that way than trying to patch a few wins together when the season is over in the league anyway. It’s better to experiment and try stuff and see what works and what doesn’t and focus on the Europa League. Football is volatile, individual moments can change games either good or bad and there’s variance in that as well.
 
BluesJr said:
We are losing games because the players aren’t adapting to a completely new style of play and most of them aren’t capable but it’s better that way than trying to patch a few wins together when the season is over in the league anyway. It’s better to experiment and try stuff and see what works and what doesn’t and focus on the Europa League. Football is volatile, individual moments can change games either good or bad and there’s variance in that as well.
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Trouble is some of these players cannot adapt to any system which is why we ended up with no system at all.
 
Just years of shit recruitment. Looking at Declan Rice today, it was obvious as far back as 2021 that he was going to be a serious player who could give a solid decade to any team that got him. How much money have Utd wasted on others players in that area instead of just buying the obvious answer when the money was there, chasing Frenkie and Cas and all the rest.
 
BluesJr said:
We are losing games because the players aren’t adapting to a completely new style of play and most of them aren’t capable but it’s better that way than trying to patch a few wins together when the season is over in the league anyway. It’s better to experiment and try stuff and see what works and what doesn’t and focus on the Europa League. Football is volatile, individual moments can change games either good or bad and there’s variance in that as well.
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But you see that's the issue with you. You're shifting the blame away from Amorim saying the players aren't adapting to the new style, but in the same time you're excusing Amorim by saying that he's only been here for 3 months and he haven't really had enough time to coach the players...

Can you see my point?
 
Fracture90 said:
But you see that's the issue with you. You're shifting the blame away from Amorim saying the players aren't adapting to the new style, but in the same time you're excusing Amorim by saying that he's only been here for 3 months and he haven't really had enough time to coach the players...

Can you see my point?
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Yep, players are expected to adapt to any system. But it's fine if he only knows one
 
Fracture90 said:
But you see that's the issue with you. You're shifting the blame away from Amorim saying the players aren't adapting to the new style, but in the same time you're excusing Amorim by saying that he's only been here for 3 months and he haven't really had enough time to coach the players...

Can you see my point?
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No because fundamentally we just disagree where the blame lies with these results. You don’t seem to grasp that we are going to lose games like this while he tries to coach a new system hence the “we are going to suffer a lot” you and others just can’t take it.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Why did you omit the all important SO FAR? :lol:

So far he’s wank, but I really like the bloke, so hopefully a couple of additions can show me that despite a truly horrendous start, he’s actually a top PL manager.
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I don’t get why people feel the need to get so angry and impatient with the new manager. But it’s something I’ve come to expect from the online fanbase, now.
 
BluesJr said:
No because fundamentally we just disagree where the blame lies with these results. You don’t seem to grasp that we are going to lose games like this while he tries to coach a new system hence the “we are going to suffer a lot” you and others just can’t take it.
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How can you read what I've wrote and serve that same bs to me yet again is beyond me.

Have a nice day mate.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I don't think he's a "fake," he's just really inexperienced. Managing a Premier League club is a huge step up to coaching in the Portuguese league. Managing United is a massive leap on top of that.

He's learning on the job, and it shows.
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Yes, he seems a smart guy so lets see what he does, he needs to find a way to get us scoring.... Defence issues wouldn't be so destabilising if we could be more potent in front of goal, what's the solution?
 
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