This. Becoming clear that he was simply the wrong guy to hire. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad manager, just not at all suited to what we needed.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Yes. And if both happened, it would still be unacceptable.
Amad rwb.
Dorgu lwb
Mainoo and Tel (or whoever we bring in) as 10s.
If I see Dalot and Maz starting im not watching
Dorgu lwb
Mainoo and Tel (or whoever we bring in) as 10s.
If I see Dalot and Maz starting im not watching
Quick fix? Bar Moyes we’ve given every manager an absolute treasure chest of money and more time than all of them probably deserved.
This guy has started worse than all of them, so why should he also get a treasure chest and a feck tonne of time if he can’t earn it? Because we ”believe” he’ll be the one, just like we believed LVG would, Mou would, Ole would, ETH would?
Right now he’s made us a miles worse team than ETH, with the same players.
He talks well but we've got to start seeing something consistent on the pitch. 14 points from 13 games in the league was it? Embarrassing.
Sporting has fast wingers that do the whole corridor. Plus 2 of the 10’s help in defense. So when defending it’s more like a 5-4-1.
Plus they have Hjulmand bossing the midfield, very good player.
Obviously the opposition in the Portuguese league is much weaker than the premier league, so it’s easier for the big clubs to win.
Amorim’s downfall will be is stubbornness. He does the same thing all the time. Opposite managers adapt.
I'm sick of this message to the board nonsense. He can just go and TALK to wilcox, vivek and berrarda without scuppering the season. It's not like they are blind to any of this, even SJR has thrown shade at the squad.
Unless we get relegated im not putting anything on Amorim.
This squad is horrible. We offer no threat going forward because we built around poor ill fitting players.
The “Manchester United” rely on two young strikers that have never scored up to 15 goals a season and a bunch of academy players in attack.
Our best player is Bruno. Flawed players but he’s forced to fill in so many gaps (CM today, 10 tomorrow, DM the next game, wingers under other managers).
This squad is horrible. We offer no threat going forward because we built around poor ill fitting players.
The “Manchester United” rely on two young strikers that have never scored up to 15 goals a season and a bunch of academy players in attack.
Our best player is Bruno. Flawed players but he’s forced to fill in so many gaps (CM today, 10 tomorrow, DM the next game, wingers under other managers).
Well if that’s true then the board are morons. Hiring somebody who has a particular system and expecting him to get the shit squad he inherited to master it with barely a single signing under his belt.
We've been in a world for a while now, where the loudest, most extreme voices get the most attention and airtime. Sadly it used to only be the domain of the rag media, but now it's bled into the hearts and minds of enough people that it's hard to maintain an overall sense of civility, endurance, patience, and consideration.
We get too busy shouting, and have lost the art of listening.
There’s very little to cling on to in terms of positives though. I was late to the EtH out club, a lot turned earlier than me but I’ve already turned on Amorim. I just haven’t seen anything to say it’s going to get better, we’re sticking with it game after game and his stubbornness to change is infuriating. I get that the squad is in poor shape but it’s not as bad as the results are showing.
Then you delay getting it when the squad is supplemented with reinforcements that round out the system, and create doubt within the squad about whether to work to achieve it because some of the players will be married to how they like to play..
The facts are that this squad (which Amorim had not part in assembling) is absolute and utter shite. Over and over again, our core of players (Bruno, Dalot, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford) in collaboration with some truly awful recent additions (Antony, Sancho, Hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount, Onana, etc.) has underperformed. And they have not underperformed simply because they are not good enough (and rest assured, they are not good enough), but also because they walk around with an air of entitlement and an apparent unwillingness to put in the effort required to beat mid-table teams. That is a toxic mixture that will always, inevitably, lead to the same outcome. Firing a succession of managers has had no impact on this inevitability and nor will it in the future.
Does anybody really think that signing 3 or 4 players for Amorim will turn us into a decent team all of a sudden?
There's plenty of examples of coaches who were turning squads around and implying a functioning system even in a short period of time. It's not rocket science to play with three at the back. If it's not working out, change it.
I'm honestly surprised how many fans just accept that narrative that we simply have a bad squad and it's not possible to achieve anything with these players. Look at the matches with Ruud, I don't even think that he's a great coach, but things clearly got better in these few games.
In my opinion, Amorim will be the next huge failure if he continues like that. No chance to turn anything around with an attitude like that.
There's plenty of examples of coaches who were turning squads around and implying a functioning system even in a short period of time. It's not rocket science to play with three at the back. If it's not working out, change it.
I'm honestly surprised how many fans just accept that narrative that we simply have a bad squad and it's not possible to achieve anything with these players. Look at the matches with Ruud, I don't even think that he's a great coach, but things clearly got better in these few games.
In my opinion, Amorim will be the next huge failure if he continues like that. No chance to turn anything around with an attitude like that.
The funny thing is whilst the results are immensely frustrating, he can still secure Champions League football if he wins Europa. The stakes are massive on this tournament, it would be a gamechanger to go all the way.
Yeah change the manager. Because that’s worked in the past hasn’t it? That’s bound to turn our fortunes around!
Isn’t the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results?
Isn’t the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results?
Where is all the quality?
We have no speed in the squad, poor physicality, poor mentality, not a single striker worth their salt.
I'd say we actually have a decent set of CB cover but in every other area of the pitch we are lacking, either in pure quality of player or players who actually compliment eachother.
Looking how many coaches and directors Nice have been through, it wouldn't shock me if a lot of people get fired in June.
We desperately need to move on from Dalot at wing back, Bruno in CM and Maguire at CB.
Amorim needs to address all 3 positions in the summer, he's dooming himself if he thinks those 3 players will work in those positions going forward.
Amorim needs to address all 3 positions in the summer, he's dooming himself if he thinks those 3 players will work in those positions going forward.
I see him adapting his system to some system that might get results in the short term as the same thing as him signing players from sporting that he 'knows'. Both might provide short term boosts but ultimately guarantee his failure.
Who the hell is the right guy?
This is like Liverpool from between 1990 and 2015 but way worse.
But that's exactly what sticking with his inflexible approach would be?
People say this a lot but do you really think Real Madrid would have given a new manager a squad as dysfunctional as ours. Ruben Amorim isn't the problem, Unless you think he can perform miracles with strikers who don't take there chances and defenders who make stupid individual errors. I didn't watch crystal palace today and thought we got outplayed, i simply watched one team take there chances and the other team make mistakes and not take theirs, its a simple as that.
Good managers (or just half competent ones like Moyes) manage to get a tune out of dross worse than our squad in no time. Amorim has been here for three months and has us performing worse than ever before in my lifetime. That’s simply not good enough. He has underperformed massively.
The thing is, we are going to concede in this formation regardless so the 5 defenders at the back needs to stop.
Amad + Dorgu have to start at wing back now or Amorim will lose every game cs prem opposition.
Amad + Dorgu have to start at wing back now or Amorim will lose every game cs prem opposition.
What evidence is there for you to say it's not as bad? Crystal Palace subjected this same core of players to an more resounding humiliation last season. These players, with the exception of Amad and possibly a few others (Yoro, Ugarte, Mainoo, de Ligt) will never be good enough.
I agree, Mazraoui and Dalot at WB is really underwhelming, not only they are not 100% defensively solid they offer next to nothing going forward. You'd thought he's seen enough to change these things. Hopefully Dorgu will slot in quickly for the next game. Just throw him there. Mazroui goes to RCB and Dalot RWB, which is still underwhelming but we don't have any attackers these days. so we need Amad up front
I’m in no way advocating for Amorim to get sacked right now, but ironically this is exactly what Amorim is doing currently.
Yeah when you play a system ill suited to the squad they will tend to look like square pegs in round holes, but they are very capable of getting better than 13 points in 12 games, or whatever the stat is, with the key wins being concentrated on scraping Fulham and Southampton.
But also Conte is playing 4 at the back now, and played 4 at the back when he arrived at Chelsea. He had a certain level of pragmatism if it's not working or he doesn't have the players.
Amorim doesn't have the right players at all but plays the same way every time, the opposition will have people scouting United and working out their weaknesses because it's too obvious how we play (and badly). Imagine he shows up and plays 4-4-2 against Palace today for example, Glasner and his coaches have to abandon their game plan. There's an uncomfortable rigidity if you're embedded to a formation when it's not working.
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That will fix everythingI'm not 100% against Ruben but I am 100% against the cult of the manager bollocks that has infected the minds of most reds. It's that attitude that is one of the reasons why we've failed as a club throughout our history when it goes bad. ETH did wake up some people, but not enough.
That would be committing to do a new thing.
You know he might just be a very naughty boy, but can anyone envisage a manager, any manager, who could turn our current rabble into all-conquering champions?
Season was a busted flush when he got here. Mid-table and a hope of either cup.
Grim, but there you are.
Season was a busted flush when he got here. Mid-table and a hope of either cup.
Grim, but there you are.
He has De Ligt. Maybe use him in the centre before we go spend another fortune on a CB.
Yet another embarrasing home performance and defeat, its looking increasing like he simply isnt up to the job and I fear we'll just be wasting more money if we let him spend.
We have a bottom half quality team getting bottom half quality results. Will take a long time to undo the damage done to the squad under the last manager.
3 points from the first two. Will he get 5 from the next three?
Don't see this personally. Plenty of good coaches can adapt with variations while they embed their philosophy.