Teams such as Palace aren't cannon fodder anymore though, are they. But maybe this the mentality the squad has as well, who knows.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I think I've seen everything there is to be seen.
It's true that in terms of attacking patterns we have improved, but if you look at the sum of the whole parts we're clearly a lesser team now.
For me the Southampton match was the final straw. We were basically lucky not losing against such a weak team.
Tactically we are being outplayed almost every match. The oppositon knows that all they have to do is to add an extra player in the middle to take away our pressing capacity.
He will be One of those managers with a lot of potencial but I doubt he will achieve his ceiling.
It's time for the club to admit the casting error and hire one less player next season to acomodate a possibility of a new manager.
It's true that in terms of attacking patterns we have improved, but if you look at the sum of the whole parts we're clearly a lesser team now.
For me the Southampton match was the final straw. We were basically lucky not losing against such a weak team.
Tactically we are being outplayed almost every match. The oppositon knows that all they have to do is to add an extra player in the middle to take away our pressing capacity.
He will be One of those managers with a lot of potencial but I doubt he will achieve his ceiling.
It's time for the club to admit the casting error and hire one less player next season to acomodate a possibility of a new manager.
I think his position is fine tbh.
Should he have promoted Chido to the first team and maybe play him today if he has no confidence in our strikers to inject something different as it's so stale?
We need something
We need something
Too many people think result always = manager. It can of course be the case but there’s been plenty of games under Amorim and even Ten Hag where they’ve effectively coached a win but the players have messed it up.
Where the sack watch thread at???
What I don't understand as much is why he does not inject more urgency into games during certain periods. Despite starting well we allowed ourselves to drift again and for the first 20 minutes of the second half we were particularly poor. There's a lot of progression, then starting again, horizontal passes and then surrendering the ball. I'd rather see us just go for it than have 5-6 passes and lose the ball without even attempting to create a chance.
Really not sure what game you were watching if you think that was an "unlucky" loss. Two shots on target in 90 minutes at home after starting with no strikers on the pitch and two on the bench. It was a failed experiment by Amorim, simple as that.
You can't predict the future.
We were an Amad miracle away from losing at home to the worst team in PL history
Our attack is the lowest quality in 30 years. It's absolutely astounding how it's come to this with the money spent. Antony money a write off, we'll be lucky if Rashy gets us 40m.
3 of the attacking 4 we have are "promising", but unfortunately they're having to be the star men, and they're just not that good. All 4 of them are physically weak as well.
Oh well, whether we come 12th or 16th the summer story is the same.
Have to really hope that new left wingback is good.
Well, they can be ignored if in 2 years we look like a great outfit. That’s when I’ll be judging him. But you can’t predict the future so it’s easy for him to judge him now and call him shite because you genuinely can’t ignore the bad feeling of losing all the time.
In all honesty: if this would have been Real Madrid who actually have some ambition he would have been fired now.. And it's not like people could argue against it. He's been really really bad
Then don’t play this way. So far, Amorim is excelling at one thing only: getting less out the squad than the sum of its parts. You can only get away with that for so long.
I can make an estimated guess based on what we’ve seen over the past twelve years.
Yup. And it sounds like the money(ffp) isnt there meaning there’ll be no overhaul in the summer.
I think he’ll be sacked October latest.
I like him and want him to succeed but this system can’t work without proper wing backs , a proper 10 and a proper centre forward and it looks more and more likely he won’t get it.
This current United don’t turn this around and it’ll get even worse next season if he’s asking them to play like this.
Does it take 3 months?
I think ive resigned myself to us being shit for evermore. Not because of Amorim but because people are already throwing in the towel on any sort of short term pain.
Knew it would happen, and admittedly didn’t expect the results to be this bad, but also didn’t expect people to lose faith so quick.
Knew it would happen, and admittedly didn’t expect the results to be this bad, but also didn’t expect people to lose faith so quick.
He'll be long gone by then, unless he magically improves drastically
And we were an Maguire mishit away from beating the absolute best team in Europe.
What other managers are available? I cant take this anymore.
in all honesty, if this was Real Madrid, they'd never be left with squad like ours, go start there
Just looked at our upcoming fixtures. There's no chance Ruben lasts the rest of the season. This is getting much worse
You won't take any of their starters today aside from Mateta and Guehi, the rest are absolute no bodies and our players don't know how to manage a game against a team that sits deep and hits them on the counter.
And that makes losing to Southampton at home acceptable?
In reality, knowing the constraints we were operating under, INEOs should have gone for one of the many coaches in the world that likes 433: Abandoning Ten Hag's kamikaze one guy in midfield and two #10s formation, while allowing the squad to do what it's best at.
The club has tried to shortcut several steps this squad needed to go through, if it's to be anywhere close to be able to get positive results playing the way Amorim wants.
At the moment the only thing saving Amorim is the Europa League. I think there's a big chance Sir Jim et al conclude come summer that they made a mistake hiring Amorim. I don't know if we can do everything we need to in order for Amorim to have the platform he needs.
He's the reason we're in this mess. Well actually it's on Ratcliffe and the club for not sacking him last summer. Keeping him on for this season has set us back even further.
The idea they don’t fit his system, they don’t fit any system. They can’t put the ball in the net. No striker.
He's trying new things here and there while sticking to the main principles. Not afraid to bench both strikers who are absolute dire, maybe message to the board we should get more players in the striker position. However it didn't work out with Mainoo today. Amad was unusually shite and our overall play was very slow and predictable.
Had he prioritised improving performances and results a bit more we would be closer to the top 5 and not be worrying about FFP as much.
I want to see him go with wingers in the WB positions and just fecking go for it. Stick Garnacho and Amad there. Collyer and Ugarte with lots of energy in the middle. Bruno and Mainoo providing spark as 10s. Being overly defensive isn’t working so let’s go aggressive and see what happens.
Yep, I applaud those posters who genuinely think there's signs of progress and we're on any sort of right track.
The most positive thing I can clutch at is that he's lumbered with this squad until the summer, then can start getting "his" players in.
But as we've arguably only made 1 signing in a decade who has proven their worth for longer than 9months (Bruno - who many still moan at despite him being stratospeheres better than everyone else around him), I'm not confident we get 1 signing right mid term, let alone numerous ones.
We've had loads of short term successes but they quickly wear off - Lukaku, Casemiro, Martinez etc.
Oh well, see you for the next one.
Horrible loss, yet we controlled that game with a host of great chances we couldn’t take mostly down to that game raising cnut Henderson. If you control games and create chances, the results will come. It’s just a bad moment, but ramping up the pressure on Amorim just lands us back at square one. He didn’t sign these fecking players, he didn’t buy a forward with a trampoline first touch, or bag of nerves Zirkzee, or an ageing Casemiro. He’s got an absolute fecking mess and in my opinion he’s doing well with it. I don’t see which magician we’re gonna get makes it better both in the short term and the long term. You don’t just recover from open heart surgery the next day, it takes months. Disappointing to see the knives out, it’s part of the wider problem.
He won’t be here for two months let alone two years, if the results stay the same.
Well yes you’re right there.
How many from this team will be starting in 2 years? This system comes 1st philosophy shows a lack of good judgement and if his judgement is off on that it’s going to be off on a lot of other things also. Starting to think that Amorin was a mistake because he lacks wisdom/maturity.
Sensible post. It made zero sense to appoint a manager that's ridiculously dogmatic about his formation, a formation we've never played and don't have the squad for, being fully aware of our financial constraints
What a waste to bring in such a managertalent at this point in time.
Should have had a veteran with good experience from cleaning and open heart surgery before bringing in ETH or Amorim. Neither of them have experience from this kind of dirty job.
Should have had a veteran with good experience from cleaning and open heart surgery before bringing in ETH or Amorim. Neither of them have experience from this kind of dirty job.