Implementing the system right now in a season in freefall has been disastrous. His bet was to stabilise the team, improve performances, get SOME principles in place and then have a full pre-season to work on it this year. Instead it's the opposite.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Absolutely. You arrive at Man Utd and your job should be to win or be close to winning. The culture has gone all wrong. He’s won the lottery getting this job.
Why does this shite always get touted?
No one in the history of football has ever given up.
“Well looks like I can’t change it! I’m a shit manager. i’m giving up. Sorry guys! I’m outta here!!!”
Utter dreamland bollocks. Never happens and never will happen because no self respecting manager will ever do it.
Hate to say it cause I want to hold players as responsible as possible but he is 70+ percent culpable for that result based on team selection alone.
Coming into this thread after a loss is a car crash
Why would we do that though? It really doesn’t matter if we finish 8th or 16th. The priority is getting rid of these crap players and having a clear plan about who we recruit. There’s no guarantees but the later actually seems to be happening. Rashford has been fecked off and we seem interested in players who actually fit this system.
The idea we should be getting someone to get more out this squad would be insanity. The ship has long since sailed with them. Even if things were better than 13 points in 12 games we’d only go through the same cycle long term.
No I didn't. It hasn't taken other new managers this season long to do this.
I don't think he's a "fake," he's just really inexperienced. Managing a Premier League club is a huge step up to coaching in the Portuguese league. Managing United is a massive leap on top of that.
He's learning on the job, and it shows.
Exactly. The main difference is in quality of forwards, everything else is neither here nor there in mid table if you don't have them.
Our highest earners (and what should be our best players) offer next to nothing and thats where all our problems really lie. (Casemiro, Rashford, Mount, Shaw, Antony)
I think he himself is shocked that the PL is much tougher than the Portuguese League. This looks like another 3 years experiment that bounds to fail.
A great manager improve players regardless it's his player or not. SAF won the league with Cleverly at midfield! Amorim is giving the same vibes that LVG, Jose, Ole and ETH gave us, they need to buy entire new team of their own players.
We have regressed under him and there is no improvement after 3 months.
A great manager improve players regardless it's his player or not. SAF won the league with Cleverly at midfield! Amorim is giving the same vibes that LVG, Jose, Ole and ETH gave us, they need to buy entire new team of their own players.
We have regressed under him and there is no improvement after 3 months.
Yes, and that was what he did at Sporting.
Don’t know why he is being such a pussy now.
Quenda can play winger as well, right? So he won't automatically become deadwood next Christmas
You can write pages about this but I very well think we have enough quality to beat mid table teams at home. I am 100% right as well.
There is nothing wrong in firing an incompetent manager. You can either chose to change or be ready to be changed. As simple as that.
I can’t help but think that Amorims constant rotation of players into different positions is hampering the cohesion of the team. Players can’t form partnerships if the players in and around them keep changing game by game.
He was 7 points off top 4 and after 10 games in charge with an easier run of fixtures ahead to help cut the gap. Amorim was 14 points off top 4 after 10 games in (if I'm not mistaken).
I get that Amorim was brought in to play his style and I am not against that principle in theory. But when the extended form is nothing short of alarming there should be some adaptability shown from the coach. This is my belief - irrespective of whether Amorim goes on to be a crazy successful coach as he brings his own players in or if he flops. In the here and now he has players of quality, just not up top, and he should be able to navigate games accordingly if his primary system is failing him.
There was some quote about how he thought you've lost if you adapt to the squad but I don't really believe this. He would have full backing to implement his style in the preseason, as long as he's in sync with Wilcox/Berrada etc.
And I think he said, the playstyle seems to suit us better in Europe. It’s probably for the best that we can’t meet an English side until the final. If he wins that then that would ease the pressure and would be something to build on.
Our league form in the past two years has been nothing short of shocking.
We absolutely shouldn't be atrocious for the next two years. If things aren't noticably better than this at the start of next season, Amorim should be in trouble.
But "better than this" can still be relatively ordinary. And next season isn't now.
How are you going to do that if we lose out on champions league money and sponsorship money because we finish 14th? You do understand the longer we stay out of the top 4 the worse the finances get?
Maguire should be out the door in the summer along with Evans and Lindelof, so we need to bring in a new centreback regardless.
De Ligt has been our best performer there this season, but he's not particularly fast. Neither is Martinez, and Yoro has looked pretty poor so far. We need a pacy left footed centreback or we'll never be able to play a high line that Amorim's system needs.
We could pick up 0 points for the rest of the season and still not get relegated.
Probably only need 5 or 6 more to be certain of safety.
Someone who has been at Real, Barca, or Bayern. If not possible then someone who is proven in the PL and plays 4231 would go a long way.
Pep guardiola hasnt decided to go to a low block even in 15 years or whatever. Klopp never moved after from his press.
I think the core of this is people think a formation on paper is a system. Amorim says himself it is nothing to do with it, and I have always felt that. It is the easiest thing for the tabloids to talk about so we hear about it endlessly
I think that we maybe arguing the same point.
Needs to be bold, we're not scoring or stopping goals with his defensive approach.
Guardiola is an absolutely terrible example. If anything, he overthinks and tinkers too much
It reads like I’m on Twitter. So many fans are influenced by the get rich quick fan channels. No patience, everything needs to be done quickly or we need major changes type. Complete head loss.
I think we could finish higher than 8th if we played a more suited system, and theres millions at stake for each place you finish in the league so there's a monetary cost associated with it.
You can still get rid of crap players in the windows, its not mutually exclusive.
No, you are inconsistent because players need to get used to making the right decisions and allow it to become intuitive and therefore faster, rather than embedding in the system you are moving away from.
In theory this system should be better at defending against transitions, but set pieces and individual errors in duels are costing us defensively.
Attacking we lack directness from wings and obviously upfront we're too young and lacking in goals
I don't understand why he played Mainoo as false 9 after the really good performance he had as a 10.
It's also the equivalent of burning several million quid, imagine explaining to the wife and family that you could have had a pay-off of several million if you'd stayed a few more weeks but you resigned and saved Glazers and Ratcliffe the expense because you're a 'good guy'.
Doesn't look like he'll make it. Should have had a proper #9 arrive 1st day of the transfer window if he had any plan. Instead we signed some pray-and-hope out of position relegation quality right winger whos going to play LWB for us towards the end of the window. Glorious months ahead.
I really hope he doesn't fall into the ETH trap of building out a team to match an idea in his head but not to match the demands of the league.
I can't think of a top manager in the last 15-20 years that's been so wedded to a system and gone on to have good success. Conversely I'd say there are many more examples of the opposite; Pep and Klopp being the obvious examples of managers that have built very different teams through their career to match the demands of the moment. I'd argue evidence shows that this adaptability is a key quality for a top level manager to demonstrate.
If he is really that intent on building towards his idea, then why the hell have we hired him knowing we barely have the money to spend to facilitate considering our financial situation?
I can't think of a top manager in the last 15-20 years that's been so wedded to a system and gone on to have good success. Conversely I'd say there are many more examples of the opposite; Pep and Klopp being the obvious examples of managers that have built very different teams through their career to match the demands of the moment. I'd argue evidence shows that this adaptability is a key quality for a top level manager to demonstrate.
If he is really that intent on building towards his idea, then why the hell have we hired him knowing we barely have the money to spend to facilitate considering our financial situation?
I was comparing their records recently. Potter got 22 league games at Chelsea. He had a record of 7-7-8, so 28 points.
So far, Amorim has had 13 matches, and has a record of 4-2-7, so 14 points. To match Potter’s record at the point he was sacked, he needs 14 points from our next 9 matches. Certainly not guaranteed.
We’ve also spent on:
Höjlund
Dalot
Amad
Yoro
Martinez
Ugarte
And a feck load of others “for the future” such as AWB, Lindelöf, Malacia. Our Zlatan-esque quick fixes as you call them have been amongst our best and I’d kill to have Lukaku back now.
The simple fact is, we are statistically absolutely MILES worse with the same set of players than we were under ETH. He’s doing a shit job, like it or lump it.
He might come good, but right now he’s stinking the place out in attempting on a weekly basis to play as few attacking players as possible. Give it 4 more weeks and I’d imagine we’ll have 9 defenders on the pitch.
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Oh you are 100% right on that, are you?
Then how do you explain this same core of players losing to teams like this regularly over the last 3-4 years, across the reigns of several managers?Well said.
The revisionism here is crazy. People forget this squad was 13th before Amorim came, and that was for a manager who "played to their strengths" over a focused style of play.
The worry for Amorim is I have seen nothing to suggest that INEOS won't be as knee jerk as some of the fans in here and lose faith in him, despite not backing him.
While it doesn't matter where we truly finish providing we don't get relegated, he needs to do well enough to retain backing that is unquestioned.
Have you seen the teams Pep has had? Why would he go to a low block?
So...bring back Mou?
Unless we get relegated, you guys are drama queen. This is the storm right now, deal with it. It’s obvious to see that we are struggling with the physicality, pace of this league nowadays. We simply can’t compete. The squad building is absolutely atrocious.
But on a positive note, the Europa League is there for the taken and unless we fail to win it I will not be too harsh on him. Not his team at all.
But on a positive note, the Europa League is there for the taken and unless we fail to win it I will not be too harsh on him. Not his team at all.