Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[The Mitcher]

Well if that’s true then the board are morons. Hiring somebody who has a particular system and expecting him to get the shit squad he inherited to master it with barely a single signing under his belt.

If he relegates us do you keep him?

 

[MonkeysMagic]

Some Utd fans have had blinkers on having seen these players churn out shite like this for several years. We have the most low quality players in this squad that Utd have had last 10 years.

I mean, at which other top 10 PL league team would you see a player like Dalot play every game? The very definition of a poor player, does 1 good thing and 9 others terribly, but that's what Amorim has to go with. Hojland/Zirksee won't get into most PL teams but guess what? They're all we have as strikers. Let me not even start GK and midfield but the fact is, our league position is absolutely deserved.

 

[jem]

Good managers (or just half competent ones like Moyes) manage to get a tune out of dross worse than our squad in no time. Amorim has been here for three months and has us performing worse than ever before in my lifetime. That’s simply not good enough. He has underperformed massively.

This whole Moyes thing is moronic. He's a handful of games into his Everton stint and he's won a few games (which, incidentally, was also the case for Amorim when he started.) If managers coming into a basement-dwelling squad and getting a few wins to move them out of the relegation zone is the barometer, then we may as well hire Big Sam.

 

[renatosanches85]

I think INEOS need to admit they dropped the ball on this one and sack him before he gets us relegated. Get Iraola who they should have got in the first instance, he is PL proven, has shown he can get a tune out of mid table players and plays exciting football.

 

[hellhunter]

AVB

Harsh but true

 

[lilcurt]

Not a single team is the same under those managers. Can you please stop merging disparate squads together. It's stupid amd creates a misleading narrative.

The point in, we are terrible are turning over the sqauds for managers. Our squad has players from all those managers still at the club. Until now, we have been unwilling to move players on if they don't work and are on bit money. Ergo you end up with a squad of mismatched players.

You either have a style of play as a club and bring in managers who work for that. Or, you move players on who bring in replacements that suit the manager.

We don't have a bloody striker, and the squad doesn't fit the style our manager plays, we have signed a LWB and a CB for the future.

 

[Danny]

You won't take any of their starters today aside from Mateta and Guehi, the rest are absolute no bodies and our players don't know how to manage a game against a team that sits deep and hits them on the counter.

Not true. Henderson is arguably better than Onana for a start, Mitchell is a prospect and a better LWB than Diogo Dalot, agree on Mateta and Guehi, Sarr is good and would likely improve our team and Eze from their bench today would waltz into our first XI.

We have fallen, and it will take years to sort out.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Fire him. Hire a care taker until end of season. Go for Iraola in the summer .

Good shout, shall we line up Iraola's replacement for the following Jan as well?

I'm sure whoever that is will really get the best out of Hojlund.

 

[Camy89]

But that's exactly what sticking with his inflexible approach would be?

I’d rather be deemed insane with him at the helm than getting in some other coach where the whole cycle starts again. ‘Initial positivity, honeymoon period, dubious results, doubts creep in, further disappointing results, furore and lynch mob out for managers head, sacking at considerable cost to club…repeat’

We seem to change manager more than we change our pants. Sacking him is not the answer.

 

[George Owen]

Amorin looks like a decent guy.

Would he resign without taking home a big settlement if he thinks he can't improve things?

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Except everton aren't even a team with individual quality, yet Moyes has them performing more than the sum if their parts. Maybe it's NOT JUST the players?

No, it’s not simply the players. Ruud seemed to get more out of this bunch.

How often do you hear a manager join a major club and basically say the squad is the worst ever and things are gonna get worse as if that’s a normal thing ?

Me, personally, I don’t mind writing off the season but I don’t see the benefit of losing games so you play a system. I don’t see the benefit of rigidly adhering to it in europe where we could have a chance of at least salvaging something.

Some fans say “this squad is crap”, but the majority of this squad is capable of going on a cup run, arguably beating stronger teams in last seasons FA cup then they will play in Europa.

I’m not even suggesting Amorim should be replaced but I’ve said he needs to get some points on the board and build the players confidence up. Seriously , playing another 14 games of a system with the team mostly losing doesn’t help anybody short , medium or long term.

I think the best managers can adapt if needs be and even if the clubs longer term plans are some sort of idealistic system or tactic , there is still a role for pragmatism.

It’s funny though , different factions going from a position of blaming one manager for everything to Rampantly defending another manager as if there’s absolutely no other way things could be any better and even then it’s best to stick with the system cause something something long term helps somehow.

Hopefully we will look back fondly in 2 years time at the start of our revival but it’s hard to see how this is exactly how things need to go for success to happen longer term

 

[Bobski]

This. Becoming clear that he was simply the wrong guy to hire. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad manager, just not at all suited to what we needed.

Goes back to INEOS being spineless fools by not dumping Ten Hag in the summer. Wasted 3/4 months on what everyone knew was going to happen and a ton of money for the new manager to shape the squad as well.

Just generational stupidity.

 

[Sir Marcus]

This is worse than the worst with Ragnick.

 

[Dominant]

Really thought ETH times were the lowest points but Amorim is getting real close to getting there.

Dalot CANNOT PLAY ON THE LEFT. Just stop.
Maz CANNOT PLAY RWB. Just stop.

 

[Solius]

We have a bottom half quality team getting bottom half quality results. Will take a long time to undo the damage done to the squad under the last manager.

Said this recently. Our squad is currently at the level of 10th-15th so games against those teams will be decided by small margins. We hit the post today and had some good shots saved, they scored their chances. We aren’t good enough to put that margin between us and the shitter clubs yet.

 

[Idxomer]

Conte literally won the prem with three at the back. What are you talking about.

This doesn't mean that's the only formation he could play or he never changed things up depending on the circumstances.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Well if that’s true then the board are morons. Hiring somebody who has a particular system and expecting him to get the shit squad he inherited to master it with barely a single signing under his belt.

Most likely they are clueless. Did they really decide on a club level that 3421 is the way forward? Did they even bother to check that 3% of the PL titles are won by playing 3 at the back?

 

[Chairman Steve]

Face it we knew we were going to handicap him when we foolishly let ETH keep his job and make summer transfers.

If we had a time machine we’d go back to mid June, hand ETH a P45, hire him and then buy some suitable players. We’d be probably hovering around the European places while being inconsistent in the league.

We badly needed a left wing back and a striker of some form. We’ve got him Dorgu and hopefully Tel will join up soon. No idea if Tel will be good but it sure beats Hojlund and Zirkzee out there at the moment.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

We have a bottom half quality team getting bottom half quality results. Will take a long time to undo the damage done to the squad under the last manager.

Exactly. Expecting anybody to do well with these players is like expecting a cat to perform brain surgery.

 

[Widow]

Does it take 3 months?

I fell like you may have missed my point but 3 month is long enough to know that this isn't working this season. It's unacceptable to keep losing. The gains look minimal, as most will admit that he needs many players to make it work so why not just wait for a full pre-season?

 

[Garethw]

He’s been utterly utterly dreadful. Heads should role at senior managerial level for bringing such an inexperienced manager in that plays such a different system.

 

[M Bison]

What evidence is there for you to say it's not as bad? Crystal Palace subjected this same core of players to a more resounding humiliation last season. These players, with the exception of Amad and possibly a few others (Yoro, Ugarte, Mainoo, de Ligt) will never be good enough.

I struggle to believe that anyone can accept that this group of players is performing and is getting the best results it’s capable of. If that’s the case we may as well have stuck with EtH

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Don't see this personally. Plenty of good coaches can adapt with variations while they embed their philosophy.

I believe the best modern coaches stick to their principles.

 

[Dominant]

People say this a lot but do you really think Real Madrid would have given a new manager a squad as dysfunctional as ours. Ruben Amorim isn't the problem, Unless you think he can perform miracles with strikers who don't take there chances and defenders who make stupid individual errors. I didn't watch crystal palace today and thought we got outplayed, i simply watched one team take there chances and the other team make mistakes and not take theirs, its a simple as that.

Not sure what game you were watching because we were totally bullied and outplayed.

 

[Harry190]

Not doing his job well at the moment.

Knew it was not going to work in the Premier League. Not with that style of play unless you have killers on your team. At some point, you gotta take a step back and reassess based on what you have in front of you.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Just keep the club in the league. Anything more than that is a positive for me atm.

 

[Superunknown]

There's too much that needs doing and not enough time for him to do it. We've signed some absolute duds that would look shite in any formation, let alone the system that he wants to play in. Generally though, I thought we were very careless today and didn't match Palace's energy or aggression. Ugarte looks like he needs a more traditional centre midfielder next to him to balance that position out.

One observation I have made is that we start everything way too deep. When the ball restarts from the goalkeeper, he either kicks it long (in which case, the opposition have it back) or he passes it to the centre backs. Our midfield seem to come very short for the ball, and then they try to kick it long to the attack. We spend too much time in our own half or facing our own goal, which then gives the attackers with too much to do from deep. What we probably need to do is actually be more patient when we have the ball right at the back and work it up until we end up in a position where the midfield are on the halfway line and the defenders are further forward. Once the defence are too deep, it drags everything back that way. We don't seem to have trust in ourselves to keep the ball or to maintain control, and that's why we end up kicking it long all the time.

 

[lilcurt]

Yeah when you play a system ill suited to the squad they will tend to look like square pegs in round holes, but they are very capable of getting better than 13 points in 12 games, or whatever the stat is, with the key wins being concentrated on scraping Fulham and Southampton.

I agree, but that isnt on the manager.

The club bought him to the club to play his style. Back him and get the players in that suit him.

I maintain however, we had a manager who built the chunk of this team and he had them 13th in the league before being sacked. So I don't think the level of this team is as high as you do.

 

[hellhunter]

I believe the best modern coaches stick to their principles.

Any examples?

 

[jem]

I struggle to believe that anyone can accept that this group of players is performing and is getting the best results it’s capable of. If that’s the case we may as well have stuck with EtH

I strongly believe that the evidence of the past 3-4 years proves that this group is exactly what it is - shit. The reason not to have stuck with ETH was that he was complicit in building and enabling this shit-show.

 

[Danny]

We were an Amad miracle away from losing at home to the worst team in PL history

Exactly. It'll take time to shift the mentality unfortunately.

 

[nazanto]

I'm a believer and want to continue being one, but it's not easy. Need some input from our resident Sporting fan.

@Sly , did you guys go into this deep, dark cave with him back then too?

 

[Jev]

Then you delay getting it when the squad is supplemented with reinforcements that round out the system, and create doubt within the squad about whether to work to achieve it because some of the players will be married to how they like to play..

I simply don’t buy the logic that we have to be atrocious for two years in order to magically turn good after that.

 

[Bojan11]

I’d rather be deemed insane with him at the helm than getting in some other coach where the whole cycle starts again. ‘Initial positivity, honeymoon period, dubious results, doubts creep in, further disappointing results, furore and lynch mob out for managers head, sacking at considerable cost to club…repeat’

We seem to change manager more than we change our pants. Sacking him is not the answer.

That is not true. We have been keeping underwhelming managers longer than they should have stayed. ETH should have been sacked last summer. Mourinho and Ole should have been gone way before they eventually did. LVG should have been shown the door in the festive period in his second season.

 

[pascell]

This is on him now.

Losing home games back to back is on him, players are cnuts obviously for not being able to play well against a canon fodder like Palace at OT but this is getting worse and worse especially at OT, at some stage Amorim has to figure out something, we only managed 2 home wins and lost 4 at OT since his arrival.

We are the canon fodder now.

 

[UnitedSofa]

I think INEOS need to admit they dropped the ball on this one and sack him before he gets us relegated. Get Iraola who they should have got in the first instance, he is PL proven, has shown he can get a tune out of mid table players and plays exciting football.

I’n sorry but this is totally wrong

 

[Dan_F]

Quick fix? Bar Moyes we’ve given every manager an absolute treasure chest of money and more time than all of them probably deserved.
This guy has started worse than all of them, so why should he also get a treasure chest and a feck tonne of time if he can’t earn it? Because we ”believe” he’ll be the one, just like we believed LVG would, Mou would, Ole would, ETH would?

Right now he’s made us a miles worse team than ETH, with the same players.

He’s probably started worse than any other manager because the team is in a worse state than any other manager inherited. Have think back at some of the squads we’ve had post-Fergie and compare them to this. There’s barely any quality in this team at all.

We were also 14th and going out of Europe when Tag Hag was sacked and now we’re 13th and comfortably through in Europe. We’re not worse than under Ten Hag this year.

 

[fps]

This guy is a total fake.

 

[JezChan]

Quick fix? Bar Moyes we’ve given every manager an absolute treasure chest of money and more time than all of them probably deserved.
This guy has started worse than all of them, so why should he also get a treasure chest and a feck tonne of time if he can’t earn it? Because we ”believe” he’ll be the one, just like we believed LVG would, Mou would, Ole would, ETH would?

Right now he’s made us a miles worse team than ETH, with the same players.

What would you call the obscene amounts of money thrown at:

• Di Maria
• Pogba
• Lukaku
• Sanchez
• Sancho
• Antony
• Casemiro

Were all of these players for the long-term that had the temperament, age profile, or skillset to rebuild a dynasty at United? Arguably you could say that at the time Pogba and Sancho could have been, but the rest were either quick-fix, knee-jerk, or desperation signings that had little mid-term vision, let alone long-term vision.

I don't agree that we're miles worse than under EtH, espeically this season. We're similar at best. Do I think we need to go all-in on Amorim and he's the chosen one? No. What I'm advocating for is patience with a manager who's only been at the club for 2.5 months, as he's adapted to a brand new league with a completely brand new set of players to him that have barely been able to train to his system.

Will his inflexibility with his system be his downfall? Possibly - but I don't think we have a large enough sample size to make that call yet.

 

[The Mitcher]

No, it’s not simply the players. Ruud seemed to get more out of this bunch.

How often do you hear a manager join a major club and basically say the squad is the worst ever and things are gonna get worse as if that’s a normal thing ?

Me, personally, I don’t mind writing off the season but I don’t see the benefit of losing games so you play a system. I don’t see the benefit of rigidly adhering to it in europe where we could have a chance of at least salvaging something.

Some fans say “this squad is crap”, but the majority of this squad is capable of going on a cup run, arguably beating stronger teams in last seasons FA cup then they will play in Europa.

I’m not even suggesting Amorim should be replaced but I’ve said he needs to get some points on the board and build the players confidence up. Seriously , playing another 14 games of a system with the team mostly losing doesn’t help anybody short , medium or long term.

I think the best managers can adapt if needs be and even if the clubs longer term plans are some sort of idealistic system or tactic , there is still a role for pragmatism.

It’s funny though , different factions going from a position of blaming one manager for everything to Rampantly defending another manager as if there’s absolutely no other way things could be any better and even then it’s best to stick with the system cause something something long term helps somehow.

Hopefully we will look back fondly in 2 years time at the start of our revival but it’s hard to see how this is exactly how things need to go for success to happen longer term

Implementing the system right now in a season in freefall has been disastrous. His bet was to stabilise the team, improve performances, get SOME principles in place and then have a full pre-season to work on it this year. Instead it's the opposite.