Yeah, he is protected. Still not 100% sure what your response had to do with my post though? I never claimed otherwise.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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That guy was hard to watch, the way he said Jose mourinho at the start..
Ten Hag couldn't have touched Rashford, he was the Golden boy, and get the best out of him was key to the project he was suppose to manage. It's a major reason why we played so vertically.
Amorim has free reign to pick whomever suits him, ETH for all the power he has had a few individuals he couldn't touch.
Well you can only look at each managers decisions in isolation. It's possible Ten Hag was happy with Rashfords contributions. Bear in mind Ten Hag got a lot of things wrong.
Don't buy that for a second mate. ETH had more power than either Ole or Jose. He was able to drop and then release Ronaldo. Effectively froze out Varane for months.
And banished one of the clubs most expensive signings and top earners. From the team, the first team squad and eventually the club in Sancho.
Ten Hags batshit football wasn't built around Rashford. That's just how he wanted to play.
It'll come, maybe not from them 2 though
As of when ETH arrived Rashford did two seasons were he got 20+ goals under Ole and the third was the Ronaldo year. Somethings about eth tenure wasn't purely him. It wasn't solely his idea to promote the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho, that's was part of Murtough plan. Sancho never performed even before his arrival and Ronaldo was past it. Rashford was entering his peak years and alongside Bruno was seen as central to everything, getting the best out of him was definitely one thing ETH was meant to achieve.
I'm just shocked Rashford survived the exodus of the likes of Pogba, Martial, Sancho, Mctominay and getting the best out of him was still a conversation. He should have scored low on all the same metrics that got them out the door. Now that we're spending a real person's money (SJR) there can be some return to standards because no one in their right mind is going to agree to pay 350k/w for that.
He then had a 40GA season but despite that was dropped from the team by November of last season and apparently for sale by January. I don’t think there’s much evidence that ETH was forced to play him.
We also “supported” Rashford by essentially playing an entire season without a LB and bringing in a CF whose worst attributes are hold up play and passing. Oh, and removed most of the midfield cover so that his defensive responsibilities were substantially increased. Rashford has most definitely not covered himself in glory over the last 18 months but he hasn’t been given the best environment to succeed either.
We need Tel AND Nkunku. Our strikers are shite.
No Nkunku please, his injury record of 22/23 & 23/24 were so bad...
It's kind of crazy just how intense a period it has been for Amorim since he took over. He had a bit of time from his appointment to his first game, but since then we have averaged a game every 3.8 days. I think twice he has had a full week between games.
It was something he wanted to achieve more like. Ten Hag for all his faults promoted youngsters at Ajax so it made sense that he wanted to promote youngsters at United too. No idea where you are going with this mate but anyway it's an Amorim thread so let's leave the ETH talk here.
Indeed.
Given the circumstances I think he's been doing ok, although I'm curious what he can do with more time to prepare games and more resources. It's very early to judge him and he's been working on a handicap but his attitude and personality seem to be alright and the type of character Manchester United needed.
This is absolutely spot on.
Boo fecking hoo!
quality post this
Whilst a lot of this is true, none of these circumstances can really defend his work rate and unprofessionalism. I'm glad he's gone.
I think the number of games is obviously a huge thing but he has also come in like a bit of a lightning rod himself.
He could have set up a low block 4-3-3 with Casemiro and Ugarte, could have let Rashford keep getting away with his conduct (he more than likely would have scored a few under a new manager). Easily could have not drilled down on Garnacho.
He decided there was no point in wasting time for the sake of being a bit more comfortable. Tear down to rotting house and start laying a solid foundation.
He's by far the bravest manager we have had since Sir Alex. He has earned a lot of respect from me.
So are them two.
Same, he just gets it.
Identifying the dead wood in less than 3 weeks time since he came on. I admire that.
Where are those Ruud truther weirdos these days?
Oh here we go with the excuses.
None of that excuses Rashford just strolling around the pitch not arsed.
Again. Worth pointing out that, whilst these decisions are probably correct, the next thing is bringing in the correct players and putting the likes of Amad, Mainoo and Garnacho in a situation where they can thrive. Otherwise we're seeing a thread in 2 years time saying "selling Mainoo is the key to United’s cultural reset" or "Dorgu - The most pointless United signing ever."
Insinuating, like many have, that Rashford or any individual was "the problem" would suggest that the structure of the team and club were working fine but one or two players were problematic. When pretty much every signing we've made and every youth player has failed to live up to their potential (aside from Fernandes) we have to question why. Simply scapegoating another individual (like we had with Martial, Sanchez, Lingard, Pogba, Sancho, Lukaku, Ronaldo etc) simply means we all ignore those wider issues.
Amorim is making some brave decisions. But all those other managers made some equally brave decisions at different points and they all ultimately failed aswell.
Insinuating, like many have, that Rashford or any individual was "the problem" would suggest that the structure of the team and club were working fine but one or two players were problematic. When pretty much every signing we've made and every youth player has failed to live up to their potential (aside from Fernandes) we have to question why. Simply scapegoating another individual (like we had with Martial, Sanchez, Lingard, Pogba, Sancho, Lukaku, Ronaldo etc) simply means we all ignore those wider issues.
Amorim is making some brave decisions. But all those other managers made some equally brave decisions at different points and they all ultimately failed aswell.
Exactly. And thats the whole point some fans still dont want to see or understand. You cannot tolerate any player behaving like he did
For those who’ve followed Amorim for a while and his 3-4-3, what does he want from his strikers?
Hold up play, looking to make runs off the last man, someone who drops deep and feeds the two 10s…?
Hold up play, looking to make runs off the last man, someone who drops deep and feeds the two 10s…?
You want the tl;dr answer? Imagine Suárez at Liverpool (and how he worked with Sterling Sturridge).
So, not like Tel? Rumours gathering pace for that.
I doubt Amorim has one way to play in the final third. He will adjust to the league, to the players already available, and to the transfer targets that can actually come here and make a difference. From what i've watched (since Amorim became hot property), though, he wants a bit of everything.
Gyokeres would make runs in the outside channels to receive early balls from deeper areas. If he could isolate an opposition centre-half, he would run at him with the ball. When he wasn't immediately involved in the play, he would position himself on the "blind-side" of the centre-half and when the ball arrived at the half-space, he would cut in front of him (a curved run) toward the near post. He had the vision to spot good pockets of space in the box, but fluidity, good understanding and constant rotations between the three attackers were key to making it all work. When the going got tough, and he found himself on an island upfront (something that happens a lot with us), he could also operate as a target man.
It sounds a bit crazy, but Hojlund seems to be the preferred option (amidst two bad ones) because he actually tries to do these things, to be that player. The problem is that he does it at kindergarten level. Where will we go from here is anybody's guess. And just so that there will be no misunderstandings, i mentioned Suárez as an archetypical "complete forward". They aren't easy to find, and they usually cost an arm and a leg. But Gyokeres was that player for him at a lower level last season. I maintain that both "3s" in his formation look very rigid in these early days. It's his job to work his way around the issue.
Really starting to doubt his judgement as he persists with Bruno in a midfield.
Bruno isn't the problem.
Needs to change it, lu ky we're not 2 down, false 9 hasn't worked, n Ugarte left on his own half the time, as Bruno drifts
How long will this joke between this defense and the goalkeeper last?
I like the guy but the formation is awful.
He’s taken a team that can’t score goals, taken out an attacker for a defender, leaving us with a team that scores even less and aren’t even benefiting from the extra defender as we can’t keep clean sheets either.
I truly hope he proves me wrong, but I just can’t see this formation being a long term success.
He’s taken a team that can’t score goals, taken out an attacker for a defender, leaving us with a team that scores even less and aren’t even benefiting from the extra defender as we can’t keep clean sheets either.
I truly hope he proves me wrong, but I just can’t see this formation being a long term success.
He very much is though as he’s the core of this team apparently the way Amorim uses him.
I don't care if it messes up his beloved system he better start acting like a Manchester United manager and start playing with two extra attackers instead of two extra defenders or he'll be gone.
If we lose today, this one is entirely on Amorim. He complains about the squad not being good enough, yet he sets up the team in an incredibly negative way. Mazraoui has yet to put in a solid performance as a wing-back, yet Amorim persists with it.
Now he’s thrown both Højlund and Zirkzee on, but it feels more like a desperate gamble than a well-thought-out tactical adjustment.
Now he’s thrown both Højlund and Zirkzee on, but it feels more like a desperate gamble than a well-thought-out tactical adjustment.
Not sure how much evidence of watching two defensive wing backs stink up the place he needs but I hope this is the last time he plays Dalot and Maz together. Amad is far more dangerous out wide