Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Drainy said:
Yeah the game has become more data driven and most coaches have a style that emphasises team discipline, fitness and generally equal treatment with only a limited amount of latitude for star players.

Obviously Ferguson was a massive disciplinarian in his own way, but in my opinion he had a more human touch in understanding that the players needed to enjoy themselves too.
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That was the culture in those days.. enjoyment is a very broad term. Rooney may have gone out drinking, but did you see when Rooney was on the pitch? He gave it his all, he would track back, make tackles, play for the team.

Managers sometimes forgive players or are less critical on them if they are performing, Rashford isn't... if you are not performing you do not deserve any special treatment.

That is my opinion anyway. A player that likes to enjoy their personal time is fine but it should not impact your training, whilst this clearly does with Rashford.
 
GaryLifo said:
The United press officer needs to start putting their foot down in these conferences.

"The manager has answered several questions about Marcus Rashford now and in previous press conferences. He won't be answering any further questions about him. If there are no questions about the upcoming game, then we will draw this to a close"

It's not fecking rocket science.
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The officer has no balls. If I was the officer I'd pee on their cars to show dominance. Ask stupid questions, get peed on.
 
romufc said:
That was the culture in those days.. enjoyment is a very broad term. Rooney may have gone out drinking, but did you see when Rooney was on the pitch? He gave it his all, he would track back, make tackles, play for the team.

Managers sometimes forgive players or are less critical on them if they are performing, Rashford isn't... if you are not performing you do not deserve any special treatment.

That is my opinion anyway. A player that likes to enjoy their personal time is fine but it should not impact your training, whilst this clearly does with Rashford.
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Yeah, enjoying life on and off the pitch.
Simple instructions, go play your own game but keep an eye on X player when they do Y

Now they all have detailed instructions on what to do in each phase, unless the player does that then leave it to the other guy, with usually one 'formation' but it's actually 5 different ones depending on the context.

Then off the field they need to be more professional so they keep up with the ever increasing athletic requirements.

One seems to be something a young person can enjoy and keep a positive spirit regardless of the results, the other you can see being soul crushing if things are going wrong.
 
romufc said:
That was the culture in those days.. enjoyment is a very broad term. Rooney may have gone out drinking, but did you see when Rooney was on the pitch? He gave it his all, he would track back, make tackles, play for the team.

Managers sometimes forgive players or are less critical on them if they are performing, Rashford isn't... if you are not performing you do not deserve any special treatment.

That is my opinion anyway. A player that likes to enjoy their personal time is fine but it should not impact your training, whilst this clearly does with Rashford.
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Agreed , I’d add social media to their personal time enjoyments. It what annoyed me about Pogba. His social media stuff was clearly affecting his form and it was getting to him to the point where he commented on it.

Ive no issue with players doing social media stuff or other stuff they enjoy, when it’s not professionally impacting their performances, like zlatan who talked the talk and walked the walk. But the social media kids who get upset when some people give them crap about the social media stuff (and are surprised that courting more attention can bring unwanted negative attention) need to cop on.

Being a professional footballer is extremely hard and should be hard because it’s something very few people will get to do. They’ve a very very short career so having to suck it up for a decade or so isn’t much to ask for them to be setup for the rest of their lives.

So I don’t see “they are a child , they should be allowed to act like it and enjoy their lives” as an acceptable excuse. If you demand the big bucks, then more is demanded of you, that’s the simple economics of life and work for everyone. I can empathise with somebody struggling and at the same time see that their own actions are causing them problems.

I’m constantly saying to my son that there’s always a trade off. If he wants to be a good footballer , he needs to do all the simple things are beyond. The simple things are looking after yourself physically and mentally all the time , rest, food , sleep , extra training and avoiding stresses and stressful people.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
Agreed , I’d add social media to their personal time enjoyments. It what annoyed me about Pogba. His social media stuff was clearly affecting his form and it was getting to him to the point where he commented on it.

Ive no issue with players doing social media stuff or other stuff they enjoy, when it’s not professionally impacting their performances, like zlatan who talked the talk and walked the walk. But the social media kids who get upset when some people give them crap about the social media stuff (and are surprised that courting more attention can bring unwanted negative attention) need to cop on.

Being a professional footballer is extremely hard and should be hard because it’s something very few people will get to do. They’ve a very very short career so having to suck it up for a decade or so isn’t much to ask for them to be setup for the rest of their lives.

So I don’t see “they are a child , they should be allowed to act like it and enjoy their lives” as an acceptable excuse. If you demand the big bucks, then more is demanded of you, that’s the simple economics of life and work for everyone. I can empathise with somebody struggling and at the same time see that their own actions are causing them problems.

I’m constantly saying to my son that there’s always a trade off. If he wants to be a good footballer , he needs to do all the simple things are beyond. The simple things are looking after yourself physically and mentally all the time , rest, food , sleep , extra training and avoiding stresses and stressful people.
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Agree, that is how it is right. If you are in form or score a banger, you will love it, all the positive comments etc.. so when things are not going well, it is most likely going to be opposite. Most players know this and are told this too, they have safeguarding for these instances.

However; then if you want to keep using it, then cry, its not going to work. What I see it as, for example Garnacho... he might get a lot of hate online but in the last 3 games, Viva Garnacho is ringing in the stadium, which shows you the fans that actually coming to see the game, paying money are supporting you, so forget about those internet fans who sit behind the keyboard and concentrate on the football.

The money thing, if you are expecting to be paid 100k plus, you are expected to behave in a certain way, with expectations as well, I dont buy this notion of false expectation been put on you.

Like Rashford, if you demand 300k a week, I demand 110% effort every game, 20+ Goals a season.

Yes, with kids it is difficult as they still want to be with their friends and sometimes you have to sacrifice that to get to the top, this is where fomo kicks in as they usually dont look at the bigger picture.
 


He really seems like a genuine guy and is so well spoken as well. Also seems like very good at man management. Really want him to succeed here.
 
gaffs said:
Is it lack of effort on the field?

I think saying he "walks around the pitch" is over egging it a little. I have seen Rashford play live at OT and away hundreds of times and never really thought his effort was lacking. Does he chase lost causes like Tevez, obviously not, which i know what fans appreciate.

For me, Rashford is a high twitch sprinter, as opposed to a long distance runner.

I think he is from a previous generation of footballers who could get away with standing on a the half way line and spring into action when called upon. Maybe coming though the academy at the end of the SAF era made him that way. We carried players under SAF that wouldn't exactly be of much use in todays football.

Perhaps Rashford should have adapted by now, but I just dont see him as being a great for for the majority of teams in todays Premier League.
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It’s fair to disagree on whether Rashford does or not does not lack the effort we have come to expect in the modern game, which requires high intensity pressing and off the ball runs into space.

I have seen him put in the effort, but it’s just too sporadic. It’s possible I’m thinking of the wrong game, but I recall that after his drinking and partying in Belfast in midweek — which was unbelievable — I think it was that when ETH put him on the pitch the next game that Rashford outstanding in his effort. So at least as I see it, he is fully capable of hard work and you can cite a handful of games for sure where his work rate was excellent, but my own eyes tell me that it is rare that his workrate is high, and of course there’s no denying the stats that his goal contributions have been appalling once he signed the new contract.
 
I actually don't think the squad is bad, but I think certain elements of the squad are making playing football quite difficult in the current set up. Yesterday, they were quite clear to see, especially given the contrast in play of both halfs.

a. Our inability to play through the middle has been the first major problem. That has led to us forcing the ball long or trying to force it predictably down the line to deep wing backs. Ironically, we are actually quite good at keeping possession under pressure, as seen by some of the bigger games, but we struggle to progress it past that stage. Our centre backs don't have the confidence to play into any of the 4 players consistently in midfield. Yesterday, we may have seen a solution, with Eriksen dropping to the 6. What became quite clear was that the midfield became more staggered, with the shape in defence becoming a 3-1 rather than the 3-2 we usually see. That stagger then created a. an additional passer who could get the ball forward, b. an additional player to provide the ball to. What mattered wasn't necessarily Eriksen, but his positioning, and the space and options he created by dropping deeper. We may need to rethink our midfield set up moving forward, not necessarily with Eriksen, but with their positioning when building up.

b. Its better for us to always have one winger and wing back within the team in the wing back positions.

c. Our strikers are a big issue. Their inability to hold the ball, find space or get into positions where balls are coming to really straddles our attack. They aren't offering the outlet that we need, nor the in the box threat. So even if our system was smooth through the first two thirds, connecting to the no.9 would still be a difficult process due to their inability to consistently win duels or sneak into positions.
 
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it but we're trying cut backs so much more often recently, it such a sustainable way to score goals so I'm happy to see our players start to look for that option.
 
AltiUn said:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it but we're trying cut backs so much more often recently, it such a sustainable way to score goals so I'm happy to see our players start to look for that option.
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That's how Amorim likes to play, get penalty area entries. He has spoken about how the lack of training is impacting the team, they cannot learn the patterns of play.

His football is based around regular patterns so when we start playing the one touch stuff, players know where team mates are, what are the trigger movements and when to play it through.

Yesterday, we got into so many cut back positions, its something refreshing because in the last few years, it was teams against us scoring loads of cut backs.
 
He's so refreshing, and so likeable. Speaks in a way that's so clear and direct, and having charisma helps massively.

When ETH spoke in interviews it was all short, clipped sentences, and it always made me wonder how he managed to get the nuances of his ideas across to the players in detail.
 
miked99 said:
He's so refreshing, and so likeable. Speaks in a way that's so clear and direct, and having charisma helps massively.

When ETH spoke in interviews it was all short, clipped sentences, and it always made me wonder how he managed to get the nuances of his ideas across to the players in detail.
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The managers are also surrounded by coaching teams who probably can speak different languages, so I doubt that was an issue.
 
AltiUn said:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it but we're trying cut backs so much more often recently, it such a sustainable way to score goals so I'm happy to see our players start to look for that option.
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How City score an awful lot of theirs
 
Love that he's fully in charge and the higher ups back him over someone like Rashford. You can see Garnacho has submitted to him, we need this structure in order to install true. The players need to know if you feck with Amorim you're out.
Under the previous leadership Rashford and Garnacho would have been considered untouchables and players the manager had to work with, basically putting him at their mercy.
 
Trex said:
Love that he's fully in charge and the higher ups back him over someone like Rashford. You can see Garnacho has submitted to him, we need this structure in order to install true. The players need to know if you feck with Amorim you're out.
Under the previous leadership Rashford and Garnacho would have been considered untouchables and players the manager had to work with, basically putting him at their mercy.
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Trex said:
Love that he's fully in charge and the higher ups back him over someone like Rashford. You can see Garnacho has submitted to him, we need this structure in order to install true. The players need to know if you feck with Amorim you're out.
Under the previous leadership Rashford and Garnacho would have been considered untouchables and players the manager had to work with, basically putting him at their mercy.
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romufc said:
That's how Amorim likes to play, get penalty area entries. He has spoken about how the lack of training is impacting the team, they cannot learn the patterns of play.

His football is based around regular patterns so when we start playing the one touch stuff, players know where team mates are, what are the trigger movements and when to play it through.

Yesterday, we got into so many cut back positions, its something refreshing because in the last few years, it was teams against us scoring loads of cut backs.
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ETH had plenty of wingers and outside forwards during his time here but struggled to use them efficiently. His wing play often relied going inside outside of the box, attempting to bypass 2-3 players before shooting. While this approach was understandable initially while trying to get his ideas across, the fact that it remained unchanged by the third season indicated either an unwillingness or an inability to adapt. Some people cried about how Amorim don't use wingers and it is boring to see, etc. They all forgot how terrible our wing plays under ETH.
 
Easily my favourite manager since Fergie.
The guy is all class and I cannot work out why any player would not give their all for him.
 
Bondi77 said:
Easily my favourite manager since Fergie.
The guy is all class and I cannot work out why any player would not give their all for him.
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Same here, everything he does portrays him as both a good manager and a good person - I really want him to succeed.
 
GaryLifo said:
The United press officer needs to start putting their foot down in these conferences.

"The manager has answered several questions about Marcus Rashford now and in previous press conferences. He won't be answering any further questions about him. If there are no questions about the upcoming game, then we will draw this to a close"

It's not fecking rocket science.
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Yeah I agree with this - it’s becoming tedious now (from the journalists). You’d swear he’s dropping prime Messi.

Unless of course they prefer being asked and giving the same answer to the media - maybe to reinforce the message and try and push rashford to move. But yeah, probably a bit far fetched but the press officer really should control this by now.
 
Trex said:
Love that he's fully in charge and the higher ups back him over someone like Rashford. You can see Garnacho has submitted to him, we need this structure in order to install true. The players need to know if you feck with Amorim you're out.
Under the previous leadership Rashford and Garnacho would have been considered untouchables and players the manager had to work with, basically putting him at their mercy.
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Ten Hag got rid of who he wanted, froze out players when he felt like it and the club backed him in his spat with Sancho.
 
stevoc said:
Ten Hag got rid of who he wanted, froze out players when he felt like it and the club backed him in his spat with Sancho.
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I did appreciate him trying to set standards with Sancho but if you give mixed messages by indulging Rashford, you can see how he'd lose authority with the squad.
 
Ish said:
Yeah I agree with this - it’s becoming tedious now (from the journalists). You’d swear he’s dropping prime Messi.

Unless of course they prefer being asked and giving the same answer to the media - maybe to reinforce the message and try and push rashford to move. But yeah, probably a bit far fetched but the press officer really should control this by now.
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Rashford is their inside man, leaking stories and sensational quotes.
Of course they are going to do their best to defend him and keep him relevant.
 
mav_9me said:
I did appreciate him trying to set standards with Sancho but if you give mixed messages by indulging Rashford, you can see how he'd lose authority with the squad.
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It's probably why Sancho felt hard done by and took issue with being singled out, when he knew Rashford was getting away with poor behaviour
 
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