I thought they had much the better chances and should have been out of sight. The subs did improve us but we were lucky with their poor finishing. Maybe I’m giving them too much credit for the whole game but the way they dominated midfield and went through us in the first half was worrying. Zirkzee helped by holding the ball up but tactically we were way too deep. Once we pushed forward, we had better control. Better teams would have put us to the sword in the first half like they have done.The stats just don’t support your take here. There’s no way on earth a team can dominate for 60 minutes end up with 40% possessions and less than half the shots/xG of the opposition. You were just caught up in the disappointment of a poor performance and that’s distorted the balance of play in your mind.
I watched the game knowing the result in advance (couldn’t watch it live) and we were only properly dominated for a spell in the first half. Other than that we were by far the most dominant team, especially after we made our subs, with Southampton only occasionally causing us problems on the break.
Not that it matters. Or makes the overall performance less disappointing. But it is reassuring that Amorim turned things round with his subs. That’s already a recurring theme and bodes well for the future under him as manager. It’s also a nice change from life under ETH where we were more likely to disimprove after substitutions.
This is only true if you assume that they should score all their big chances and keep their incredibly random corner goal, while also assuming we should not score our own huge chance and shouldn't get the handball penalty. In the end, a one goal lead for Southampton was pretty fair based on the actual chances in the first half.They were the better team for the majority of the game. Maybe I was generous with 80 mins but perhaps until the last third, they were the better team and should have been out of sight in the first half. Tactically they were much better as well and prevented us from playing out, their press was better and had they had a decent striker they would have won. For a team with 6 points on the board all season, that is worrying.
I see your point but the concerning thing was how they went through us. I didn’t think it was a penalty myself.This is only true if you assume that they should score all their big chances and keep their incredibly random corner goal, while also assuming we should not score our own huge chance and shouldn't get the handball penalty. In the end, a one goal lead for Southampton was pretty fair based on the actual chances in the first half.
United had: Huge chance for Garnacho, a few half-chances, and denied a penalty.
Southampton had: One pretty random goal from a corner, one huge chance for Fernandes, 2-3 good shooting opportunities.
Not that xG is everything, but we actually had a slight xG lead at half-time, at least according to one model.
This is where consistency and motivation comes into play. We can be good, we showed that under Ten Hag even last season we competed with Bayern at their place but we revert to type when we play games where nothing is at stake.If we simply don't have the players to play in this formation and not be shocking then what is the point in doing it? The standard answer seems to be that we are "embedding patterns of play". I'm just curious if anyone can see what these patterns of play are that we have started to embed. They are not perceptible to me so far, but others are more tactically astute than me.
Definitely. It was a combination of Sulemana consistently getting the better of Yoro, and our midfield just being late to most things, which allowed Dibling and Fernandes to do a lot of damage. Hope the team recovers some energy before Brighton, because they won't be as forgiving up front.I see your point but the concerning thing was how they went through us. I didn’t think it was a penalty myself.
I don’t understand how anyone isn’t won over by Amorim at the moment. Even when we don’t get the result we have been objectively playing much better, more structured and coherent team football. He said we’d see an idea and we have. Still very early days but you can see an improvement and we were never going to win the league this year anyway. Dissenters must be either spoilt or stupid.The negativity on here is hilarious at times, usually by the anti 343 brigade, those who just don't like Amorim or both.
And we know he wants his CB's to step up into the gap, which is why we play 3 at the back. That still doesn't excuse why the midfield were chasing shadows all match and losing all their duels. There's a lingering mentality issue that isn't just wiped away with the old manager being sacked.Could wide open in the middle not be because of Amorim playing three centre backs and two midfielders ? Rather than the ghost of Ten Hag?
I don’t understand how anyone isn’t won over by Amorim at the moment. Even when we don’t get the result we have been objectively playing much better, more structured and coherent team football. He said we’d see an idea and we have. Still very early days but you can see an improvement and we were never going to win the league this year anyway. Dissenters must be either spoilt or stupid.
A win is a win, but losing 0-1 until the 81st minute against arguably the worst Premier League team ever is obviously not good.
I do feel for him though. He's been given a very difficult, and mostly thankless job.
I wasnt able to watch some parts of the game, but we missed 2 open goal sitters if I'm not mistaken?I thought they had much the better chances and should have been out of sight.
Is there a single club in the league who doesn't have a better front four than us?Four words: OUR FORWARDS ARE SHIT
I disagree, tactics need to take some portion of the blame.It's obvious that the formation is not a problem.
When he made the changes it clicked.
It's so simple. In the first half Mainoo and Ugarte were behind for every ball and couldn't catch the tempo of the game. Always too far away from their man.
Hojlund couldn't control or even win a single first ball. He couldn't even jump for headers.
Yoro is our youngest and quickest defender on paper, makes sense to put him against their quickest winger. It didn't work but I'm sure Harry would have been skinned there.
That's why we had problems in defence and couldn't grab control of the game.
It was individual bad performances.
Nothing to do with tactics or formation.
Yeah, I think the future is bright IF he is given the time and money to swap out certain players for better ones. Getting some players who can score goals would be nice for start.I think it's fair to say this season, barring relegation, is a free hit for Amorim.
He is using players bought and trained for a fundamentally different system. Many problems still remain, not least because it's the same set of players that got us in this mess.
I would say he's sticking to his guns and has shown us a path forward if we have the nerve to stick it out rather than panicking and going back to old ways.
It's the first time I can say in a decade this is what the manager wants us to play and the players need to adapt rather than managers changing tactics on a weekly basis due to short-termism.
If he's given a couple of transfer windows and this time next season we're no further along then it will be fair to criticise him.
Yet the attacking and midield quality that was available played a large part in winning the gameI’m frustrated for our manager, I’m mega happy for our fans and Amad.
The frustration is that there’s no depth so therefor no options. Anthony isn’t a game changer. The lack of attacking and midfield quality on the bench is shocking.
100% it's the main problem.We really need two attacking wing-backs for his system.
No it's not that. They are way too young. Name one club in PL who has kids as young as our players, as their forwards.Four words: OUR FORWARDS ARE SHIT
That they can be a cure for insomniaHere's the question: Ruben Amorim said he was gonna learn a lot about his players last night. What did he learn?
But at the expense of acting as a nightmare fuel.That they can be a cure for insomnia
Was he not? He changed the game twice with subs? Not much you can do when the midfield can't win a duel and the forward can't hold the ball.Three words: BE MORE FLEXIBLE
what are you on about?Lord Amad. First player to score a hat trick in premier league for united since SAF left.
20 times 20 times...We havent lost in 2025. Its our year.
Yeah, but they'd have had more.By that logic we should also have had another two goals if Garnacho and Antony had finished properly.