What did he say about transfers?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Kind of a standard comment from a coach leading up to the market opening, no? I wouldn't expect him to say we're looking to sign anyone even if we were going to do something mad in the market. Can't be seen as desperate or we'll get fleeced as per usual.
Would have preferred we went into negotiations with him saying 'We are desperate for players and money is no object'
in 2020, it looked like we had a front three in situe that would terrorise defences for the next decade, and bring us firing back to glory. Unfortunately, due to a collective responsibility of the character and mentality of the players in question, and the culture, handling of players and recruitment thereafter by club heirarchy, the landscape changed beyond recognition. We've handled the changing winds appalingly, with inexperienced and unqualified leaders making requisite decisions, and Amorim is now left with the embers.
It will take time for him to clear the dust, remove the dry rot, and rebuild as necessary. But I trust in his hands, more than any others over the past decade, to finally get this right. He has green shoots with Amad and a decent support cast in Ugarte, Mainoo and Bruno, along with a more solid defence than the days of Lindelof and AWB starting week in week out.
It's a big job, so let's have a bit of patience. These days, every missed pass, shot, tackle and game that isn't won at a canter is taken apart like a last minute cup final defeat. The reality is different of course, we've always lost easy games or dropped points we should have picked up as fatigue or injuries hit (Stoke '84, Liverpool '92, Everton '12 anyone?), and last night's performance in particular was very disappointing - but we won.
Let's hope we back this up on Sunday (It's cold enough sat at OT in Jan these days dodging water and mice, without another defeat to boot), and go on a couple of important cup runs to build some momentum. I still feel completely different now to the abject mire and mediocrity experienced under ETH. Amorim makes difficult decisions exactly when needed, he communicates effectively, his substitutions are impactful, his planning is believable, and I'll certainly continue to support him in restoring order for the forseeable future.
That image is so sad to see.
Maybe you should open your eyers a bit more.
I think Amad won the game with a bit of quality from Erickson.
There’s no doubt Erickson can do class things but his speed and energy have been exposed time and time again (Newcastle) same with Casemiro.
Mainoo who has been excellent looked tired and went off at half time and Ugarte who’s been excellent looked knackered.
Upfront (I like Hojilund) but he’s not ready to be the main man if we really want to be a top team. Simple.
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How fecked is he on getting guys in? I'm thinking with Ratcliff/Ineos the purse strings will be tied for at least 3 more windows unless we can get 150-180m for Rashford, Garnacho and Mainoo.
Having seen recent results around the league it does make you re-assess those defeats to Bournemouth, Forest & Newcastle. Three of the form teams amidst games against Arsenal, Spurs, City. & Liverpool.
Our December fixtures were really tough and harder than most people would normally consider those games. We really did shoot ourselves in the foot in several of those games too.
Fingers crossed that last 10mins again Southampton can boost the boys confidence and we can get another win tomorrow.
Our December fixtures were really tough and harder than most people would normally consider those games. We really did shoot ourselves in the foot in several of those games too.
Fingers crossed that last 10mins again Southampton can boost the boys confidence and we can get another win tomorrow.
They spent plenty last summer so not sure why they’d be stingy in summer 25.
I fear he is going to get frustrated at some point if he doesn't get backed in the market.
I think their left winger dominated and created some great chances. Yoro couldn’t deal with him. The overall impression was that even though we had more possession, they created better chances in the first half.
Also, we are super slow in buildup. And our old friend “Can’t play through the high press” visited us again, along with “Can’t defend set pieces/corners”. I think we have enough evidence that our defending on corners needs to be reviewed and changed. It looks like zonal marking in the 6yd box and man v man outside. Our 6yd box is so congested, the opponent is just going to dump the ball in there and get a richocet or glanced header and it’s in. I’d pull out Deligt and Maguire, Yoro, put them man v man to get the opponents from going to their spots and utilize Licha and Ugarte plus the wingbacks in zonal marking. I dunno… just looks shambles at the moment.
Well we were also shocking when we were playing four at the back, so I could just as easily ask what’s the point in going back to that?
By all accounts at Sporting, Amorim first improved the teams defence and control in possession, and then over time once he was able bring some new payers through, their attack improved and they started scoring more goals.
So far we’ve already seen a more compact shape and a more patient approach in some games, which has resulted in better possession stats and less of a gaping hole in the middle. He’s also improved our performances against top six teams (albeit on an incredibly limited data set).
We chose to bring in a manager who plays a particular system, because he obviously convinced Ineos it was worth trying. So having made that decision, why on earth would we abandon it without giving him time to implement it?
Another obvious reason not that abandon it so soon is because Amorim and Ineos need to see which players can and can’t adapt to it, because it’ll help them formulate their transfer plans for the summer. We learn nothing by going back to a back four that Amorim doesn’t use and we’ve already failed with.
Was interesting to hear earlier that Iraola didn’t get a win for his first 9 PL games when he took over Bournemouth. And now look at them. It’s very easy to claim something doesn’t work when it’s this early on. Iraola had a full pre season too.
Disagree a bit with the idea of specific type of players.His model really doesnt need full backs.
Needs all the other "usual" field positions. Midfielders, wingers, strikers and attacking midfielders.
Nowadays everyone defends with 2 lines in (or near) the box. Either 5/4 plus 1 or 4/4 plus 2.
What is really different is the need for the wingers to adapt to a different kind of defending. (And yes, Ruben really prefers wingers).
He managed to put some unknown players doing a good job at it, and even some youngsters.
The fact that he doesnt trust Garnacho and Antony (to a lesser extent) there says a lot about their actual qualities. To be fair, also not enough time.
Problem is more related to the drop of quality standards in the team other than system tweaking.
By the way, Southampton game had lots of adjustments to the system, its a bit unfair to say he just stuck to his idea. Not in this game, for sure.
Its acceptable to say that DeLigt, Mazz, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Maguire, Dalot, Licha, Josh and a bit Kobbie and Yoro are having a positive trajectory in terms of adaptation and performance.
Needs all the other "usual" field positions. Midfielders, wingers, strikers and attacking midfielders.
Nowadays everyone defends with 2 lines in (or near) the box. Either 5/4 plus 1 or 4/4 plus 2.
What is really different is the need for the wingers to adapt to a different kind of defending. (And yes, Ruben really prefers wingers).
He managed to put some unknown players doing a good job at it, and even some youngsters.
The fact that he doesnt trust Garnacho and Antony (to a lesser extent) there says a lot about their actual qualities. To be fair, also not enough time.
Problem is more related to the drop of quality standards in the team other than system tweaking.
By the way, Southampton game had lots of adjustments to the system, its a bit unfair to say he just stuck to his idea. Not in this game, for sure.
Its acceptable to say that DeLigt, Mazz, Bruno, Ugarte, Amad, Maguire, Dalot, Licha, Josh and a bit Kobbie and Yoro are having a positive trajectory in terms of adaptation and performance.
The positioning for the away swinging corner just looked odd. Southampton nearly scored at 1-1. The Southampton player got really good contact with the ball and could have scored except the ball hit a player from his own team.
Not true. I remember 2 specific games. Martial vs Sheff Utd and Fernandes against Leeds I think it was.
We also haven’t moved more than 2 places in the table…
Is it possible to actually lock this thread during games? It was utter train wreck against Southampton.
Imagine if we happen to go behind tomorrow, it will be another shitshow of posts. Kinda exhausting.
Imagine if we happen to go behind tomorrow, it will be another shitshow of posts. Kinda exhausting.
It is not easy to make progress with these players, not least with our poor attackers.
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Second half of the season… ?
Counterpoint: keeping it open is a great way of rounding up all the posters you want to put on ignore in one place.
Similar philosophy to player performance threads, yeah
I only ever follow the matchday thread during games but that's a good point. Player performance threads are locked during games so it would make sense to do it for this thread also! Or move the Amorim thread to the player performance section altogether!
I just hope he’s given the time and the financial backing.
There’s something he said after the match that was so true. Teams know our attack is shite so that gives them the confidence to press us aggressively high up the pitch.
When you have a good attack with dangerous players it plays into the psychology of how a team defends. They take less risks but against us most teams in the league are comfortable leaving Garnacho and Hojlund 1v1 against defenders. This frees teams up to load up on Amad and get really tight on Bruno and rushing him into quick decisions.
When you’re a top team with a good attack, teams will respect you and drop deep to start the game. If they are feeling risky and want to press high up, they either get punished or they give up a couple of early chances and their manager asks them to retreat. Obviously it can work in some games but most of the time teams will attack with caution.
Southampton had zero fear, most teams haven’t to be fair and it will be the same with Brighton. There’s not much Amorim can do about this without buying players but if we can deal with the press by passing our way through defence to midfield that would help a great deal.
When you have a good attack with dangerous players it plays into the psychology of how a team defends. They take less risks but against us most teams in the league are comfortable leaving Garnacho and Hojlund 1v1 against defenders. This frees teams up to load up on Amad and get really tight on Bruno and rushing him into quick decisions.
When you’re a top team with a good attack, teams will respect you and drop deep to start the game. If they are feeling risky and want to press high up, they either get punished or they give up a couple of early chances and their manager asks them to retreat. Obviously it can work in some games but most of the time teams will attack with caution.
Southampton had zero fear, most teams haven’t to be fair and it will be the same with Brighton. There’s not much Amorim can do about this without buying players but if we can deal with the press by passing our way through defence to midfield that would help a great deal.
Can't defend for our lives, one long ball
How can a team with so many defensive players in the lineup up concede so much??
His stricken tactics get me really worried about him.
Would there be any top level manager that plays a False 9 with an Attacking midfielder in the same front line?
Surely the purpose of a striker that drops deep is so to play forwards that run in behind?
Zirkzee or bruno is going to have a bad game today because of how uptight amorim is about his tactics.
This referee is a big fan of Ed Sheeran aswell
Would there be any top level manager that plays a False 9 with an Attacking midfielder in the same front line?
Surely the purpose of a striker that drops deep is so to play forwards that run in behind?
Zirkzee or bruno is going to have a bad game today because of how uptight amorim is about his tactics.
This referee is a big fan of Ed Sheeran aswell
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It is the only area I'm disappointed with Amorim with for coaching.
3-5 at the back should allow a team to be resolute in defence, I don't think wing backs coming in the summer suddenly improves things defensively either. It's a huge concern moving forward.
3-5 at the back should allow a team to be resolute in defence, I don't think wing backs coming in the summer suddenly improves things defensively either. It's a huge concern moving forward.
Was the same issue vs Southampton. Ball into the channel was on all day long.
I refuse to believe we are this bad because of a formation change.
We have another refereeing decision against us and he won’t say anything.
If we were going to be this shit we should have just kept ETH till the end of the season and bought in Amorim in the summer, with the right players and time to implement tactics.
I can't understand why we paid ETH so much money to get the sack now, so we can then pay a lot of money to get Amorim in now instead of the summer for what?
Its not like he could save our season or anything by bringing him in early, we are absolutely awful.
I can't understand why we paid ETH so much money to get the sack now, so we can then pay a lot of money to get Amorim in now instead of the summer for what?
Its not like he could save our season or anything by bringing him in early, we are absolutely awful.
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Feels like this system needs pacy centre backs, which we just don't have. Fine when we're playing deeper against Liverpool and Arsenal, but when we're expected to play higher and control the game it's a clear weakness.
He must do Klopp or Fergie about refs. Becoming ridiculous now.