Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[DomesticTadpole]

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But every manager has to work with the squad they inherit. I don’t understand why people are presuming the issue is all the squad and that if somehow we don’t get relegated it’s been good that the manager stuck to his guns. What exactly are we gaining from that ?

Again, I’m a long haul guy who will be one of the last to turn on a United manager, I just haven’t seen anybody explain the benefits of this rigid way of managing.

People have convinced themselves “well United managers have foolishly gone back to being pragmatic when it wasn’t working so maybe persisting with something is the best option”. You are correct that recruitment has been a massive issue but sticking with a failing system that doesn’t suit a squad doesn’t really sound wise on any meaningful level.

Like if we don’t beat Southampton in 2 weeks time , he’s gonna be under massive pressure as they are dogs*it bad. I want Amorim to get time, I just don’t think he’s gonna get it unless this system starts picking up points soon.

Yes, they do and a lot have failed at first, they had to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad. Most have not had the likes of Rashford and his whining entourage to deal with, ETH with Ronaldo and his whining interviews and Sancho and his complete lack of professionalism.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Yes, they do and a lot have failed at first, they had to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad. Most have not had the likes of Rashford and his whining entourage to deal with, ETH with Ronaldo and his whining interviews and Sancho and his complete lack of professionalism.

And Anthony sex scandal and Greenwood scandal.

United always seems to have some sort of drama , it’s not managers causing it, they mostly inherit it.

This is why I’ve been saying for years that Woodward was a massive issue. Culture starts from the top and United have over empowered players and allowed a culture of mediocrity to fester. “Woodwards nit coaching the players” was the nonchalant answer some would say, well the Liverpool board aren’t coaching their Squads and every manager they hire seems to be able to challange for the league!!!

I’m concerned that Ruben is just another sacrificial manager thrown at a broken dressing room. In hindsight , an interim this season would possibly of been better and bring Ruben in summer when he can have a decent shot.

I can’t see how United don’t sign him a striker or some sort of player in January. Fans maybe presuming we won’t go down but I’d be surprised if INEOs are feeling that confident.

 

[Sarni]

I don’t get why he persists with Mazraoui at wing back. Clearly hasn’t worked and not going to work, trying to contain Liverpool is impossible anyway so we could have at least tried to play football.

Just play Amad there or try Antony.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

And Anthony sex scandal and Greenwood scandal.

United always seems to have some sort of drama , it’s not managers causing it, they mostly inherit it.

This is why I’ve been saying for years that Woodward was a massive issue. Culture starts from the top and United have over empowered players and allowed a culture of mediocrity to fester.

I’m concerned that Ruben is just another sacrificial manager thrown at a broken dressing room. Im hindsight , an interim this season would possibly of been better and bring Ruben in summer when he can have a decent shot.

I can’t see how United don’t sign him a striker or some sort of player in January. Fans maybe presuming we won’t go down but I’d be surprised if INEOs are feeling that confident.

I definitely agree that Ruben had to come in last summer, the fact they were not interested in him because of the squad makeup.They said they couldn't find anybody, or maybe nobody wanted to take the job under the conditions given. Then they had to keep ETH on and gave him even more money to spend. Yes I agree an interim might have been better for the rest of the season and let Ruben come in with a summer transfer window and a pre-season, but has this club been run sensibly in recent years, of course not. SJR and Co. were too impatient and hadn't realised the damage they had already done to our season with their actions in the summer.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

I don’t get why he persists with Mazraoui at wing back. Clearly hasn’t worked and not going to work, trying to contain Liverpool is impossible anyway so we could have at least tried to play football.

Just play Amad there or try Antony.

i don’t get it either, Maz was good at RCB in the begin when Amorim started him their. The combination Maguire and Martinez doesn’t really work I think.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

I definitely agree that Ruben had to come in last summer, the fact they were not interested in him because of the squad makeup.They said they couldn't find anybody, or maybe nobody wanted to take the job under the conditions given. Then they had to keep ETH on and gave him even more money to spend. Yes I agree an interim might have been better for the rest of the season and let Ruben come in with a summer transfer window and a pre-season, but has this club been run sensibly in recent years, of course not. SJR and Co. were too impatient and hadn't realised the damage they had already done to our season with their actions in the summer.

What do you think is the worst it can get for Ruben to be in trouble ?

I feel once we keep away from relegation and there’s signs of improvement , in the next 8 weeks, he should be fine. But I don’t think he will be allowed to continue in a death spiral and he’s got to get some confidence and performances from this team by end of this month.

 

[PoTMS]

Same tactics, same results. Fully expecting a beatdown by the scousers. Of course, I won't fully judge him until he has his own players but by God, he is mismanaging this current squad. It isn't his fault, I guess, as he's sticking with his philosophy and with what he knows but in hindsight it was idiotic to get him in when we did especially when any idiot could tell you our squad does not have the personnel to play 3 at the back. We should've pulled the trigger in the summer instead of giving the bald idiot more time and more money to sink his claws into this shit collection of players.

 

[Zumbi]

Ten Hags stock has only risen since he was sacked. He was not the problem to address.

Changing the manager hasn't made it any less necessary for Rashford and Shaw to be replaced as first team starting players.

It really hasn’t. Two years and £600 million spent and he left us with this shower of shit for a squad, tactically clueless and wallowing in the bottom of the table absolutely shorn of confidence after getting repeatedly battered by lesser teams. Yes, lots of players aren’t good enough and yes, lots of them need to go. But our current situation does not reflect well on Ten Hag’s time with the club at all.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

What do you think is the worst it can get for Ruben to be in trouble ?

I feel once we keep away from relegation and there’s signs of improvement , in the next 8 weeks, he should be fine. But I don’t think he will be allowed to continue in a death spiral and he’s got to get some confidence and performances from this team by end of this month.

Think it is let's say fortunate that his next league game is Southampton at home. It can break this awful run and hopefully if as expected we go out of the F.A. Cup it gives him more training sessions with the players, concentrate on building the league points and qualification automatically for the next stage of the EL.

 

[ElDiabloRojo]

Ten Hags stock has only risen since he was sacked. He was not the problem to address.

Changing the manager hasn't made it any less necessary for Rashford and Shaw to be replaced as first team starting players.

Hope so and pray he gets a big club so he can buy the total shit he left here.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Think it is let's say fortunate that his next league game is Southampton at home. It can break this awful run and hopefully if as expected we go out of the F.A. Cup it gives him more training sessions with the players, concentrate on building the league points and qualification automatically for the next stage of the EL.

I want some thins to click for him. I still think that we can win the europa league. It’s really not that strong and we have a squad stronger than the majority of the teams in it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I want some thins to click for him. I still think that we can win the europa league. It’s really not that strong and we have a squad stronger than the majority of the teams in it.

Yes, they could. It is important to me they qualify in the top 8. They need more training sessions, not more games.

 

[Blood Mage]

What do you think is the worst it can get for Ruben to be in trouble ?

I feel once we keep away from relegation and there’s signs of improvement , in the next 8 weeks, he should be fine. But I don’t think he will be allowed to continue in a death spiral and he’s got to get some confidence and performances from this team by end of this month.

Failure to beat Southampton and he's a dead man walking. The club aren't going to let this guy drag us down to the Championship.

 

[Leftback99]

INEOS would love that to be true aswell.

What's happened since is proof that Ten Hag wasn't the biggest fish to fry this season. Recruitment still needed to replace a lot of attackers and goals that this team lost in losing Greenwood, Ronaldo and Cavani in recent seasons.

Recruitment was on Ten Hag.

 

[Skills]

This is the fixture that makes or breaks managers at this club post Fergie tbh. If you get humiliated by them, there's no coming back. It broke ETH, broke Rangnick, Solskjaer, sacked Mourinho & Moyes got battered a few weeks before his sacking by them too.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Failure to beat Southampton and he's a dead man walking. The club aren't going to let this guy drag us down to the Championship.

If this bunch of players cannot beat Southampton at OT the deserve to be chucked into the Manchester Ship Canal.

 

[JE-365]

Since he’s persistent not to use more attacking minded player or winger as wingback, I expect us to look more solid defensively and conceded less goals as he’s playing with 5 defenders and 1 defensive midfielder. Clearly, it hasn’t been the case so far.

 

[astracrazy]

I don’t get why he persists with Mazraoui at wing back. Clearly hasn’t worked and not going to work, trying to contain Liverpool is impossible anyway so we could have at least tried to play football.

Just play Amad there or try Antony.

Nor me

They said in the last game we haven't scored one goal with Maz and Dalot as WBs - I presume it's right.

Need one of Antony or Amad playing there

 

[Jev]

I don’t get why he persists with Mazraoui at wing back. Clearly hasn’t worked and not going to work, trying to contain Liverpool is impossible anyway so we could have at least tried to play football.

Just play Amad there or try Antony.

We’re getting into ETH territory with a manager making decisions so baffling that no-one understands how he can keep making them. Everyone can see that we need more attacking wing-backs. Everyone, apparently, but Amorim.

 

[RoadTrip]

I think the point some are missing is that this isn’t the “best” that could be achieved.

We could easily win more games if we didn’t try and change system. But Amorim is sacrificing points now to develop a system which in the long term should win more points.

I agree there is a potential debate around whether that’s right or wrong. But it’s different to flat out saying this is the best this squad can do.

 

[Parma Dewol]

He looks so sad. What a difference a few weeks makes.

 

[red_de_pologne]

I think the point some are missing is that this isn’t the “best” that could be achieved.

We could easily win more games if we didn’t try and change system. But Amorim is sacrificing points now to develop a system which in the long term should win more points.

I agree there is a potential debate around whether that’s right or wrong. But it’s different to flat out saying this is the best this squad can do.

that's quite obvious, Amorim literally said it

 

[Moriarty]

I definitely agree that Ruben had to come in last summer, the fact they were not interested in him because of the squad makeup.They said they couldn't find anybody, or maybe nobody wanted to take the job under the conditions given. Then they had to keep ETH on and gave him even more money to spend. Yes I agree an interim might have been better for the rest of the season and let Ruben come in with a summer transfer window and a pre-season, but has this club been run sensibly in recent years, of course not. SJR and Co. were too impatient and hadn't realised the damage they had already done to our season with their actions in the summer.

I don't know what to believe any more but the received wisdom is that INEOS pretty much demanded that Amorim take the job now rather than waiting for the summer as the man would have preferred. Hindsight is 20/20 but perhaps the way to go was to keep Ruud in there until season's end.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Need to create chances in the first place though

The thing is though, the likes of Osimhen can create a goal out of a half chance.
He's excellent in the air and with snap shots.
One of the goals he scored for Galatasaray this season was an ok ball into him at the edge of the box with his back to goal, defender behind him, looked relatively safe for the defense. He turned quickly and lashed it in off the crossbar, goal from nothing really.

Agree though that we need to be better all round. A lwb who can create things is also very important.

 

[Crackers]

I am sick to the back teeth of people excusing Amorim of all responsibility. The quality of the players is a factor that is proportional to success but I would expect to see one or two players flourishing under his inspiration, all players running a whole lot more and to see a general uplift in performance. I don't think the guy is pragmatic enough, I don't think his language is positive enough and I don't think he has the ideas we need. Feels very underwhelming. He's got to get something going. Go Fergie 4-5-1. Defend deep and hit teams on counter or play long balls down the flanks and have and have Hojlund run onto them and young bucks getting up in support. Just something. This wingback shit may work out long term but it could get us relegated before the tale is ever told.

Onana

Maguire. De Ligt Yoro. Dalot.

Dialo. Mainoo. Ugarte. Bruno Garnacho

Hojlund

Ffs get Rashy going. You just know a top manager in the ilk of Fergie, Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep would take him aside and stir his oils. Get him running and fighting and giving his best. Though I do suspect he is so far up his own arse, that this is not an easy job.

Utterly terrible post

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[MadDogg]

We’re getting into ETH territory with a manager making decisions so baffling that no-one understands how he can keep making them. Everyone can see that we need more attacking wing-backs. Everyone, apparently, but Amorim.

We're playing a high flying Liverpool at Anfield. While I don't necessarily agree with it, playing two more defensive wingbacks isn't remotely close to the ridiculous decisions that ETH was making game-in game-out for an entire season. Obviously Amorim did it for the last five or so games as well, but it's still a relatively short period of time.

If he continues doing it after we're past the Liverpool and Arsenal games, that's when questions should start being asked.

 

[Dribbles]

Amorim is throwing the players under the bus. He knows they are nowhere near good enough and he wants the world to see this.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Anyway why are the last 10 pages primarily about Ten Hag and De Ligt?

Hivemind!

 

[RedDevil [NC]]

Amorim is throwing the players under the bus. He knows they are nowhere near good enough and he wants the world to see this.

We can already see ETHs dumpster fire

 

[DJ_21]

Can see what he is wants. He wants brave players to play football. Dont be scared to take the ball.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Amorim is throwing the players under the bus. He knows they are nowhere near good enough and he wants the world to see this.

How'd that strategy work out for Rangnick?

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

He needs to realise that Garnacho is the only forward we have that can impose himself.

Selfish or not everyone else is non existent except Amad.

Worrying signs from Amorim

 

[DWelbz19]

He needs to realise that Garnacho is the only forward we have that can impose himself.

Selfish or not everyone else is non existent except Amad.

Worrying signs from Amorim

Can he rely on Garnacho at this point? Rightly or wrongly it looks like Rashford and Garnacho have fallen out with the manager

 

[Ayoba]

One of the problems I'm seeing with this formation is that when we do have the ball, the majority of the time it's with our defenders, so no wonder we struggle creatively. Ball needs to be with our attacking players.

 

[astracrazy]

Clearly getting some training sessions in has helped. We look better.

 

[FortunaUtd]

It's obvious that tactically, Amorim is a massive improvement on Ten Hag.

 

[Werd.]

Clearly getting some training sessions in has helped. We look better.

Yep, look much more organised atm. Good signs.

 

[maximus419]

Yes this has been a good half and signs of a team that has done some training and worked on a shape and system. Hopefully they keep it up for 90 mins and if they were to go behind their heads don't drop.

 

[Toshey]

With someone upfront with actuall class we are currently 2-0 up.