Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

harms said:
You jest but it was either Rio or Evra who have recently shared their first impressions of De Gea when he just came in to replace van der Sar. That the main difference was... the complete silence on the pitch, this is why they went to Fergie and asked to make Lindegaard first choice instead (thankfully, Ferguson had his own opinion on the matter and made the right choice).

He did improve somewhat over the years but he never became a great communicator on the pitch. Onana at least tries to organize the defensive unit around him even though he's also not very good at it as even his own positioning is often suspect.
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First of all, if they thought that being vocal on the pitch comes before goalkeeping ability, they would've rightly got told by Fergie where they could go.

Secondly, De Gea entered a team with a bunch of club legends when he was 20. It's completely understandable that he had a nervous start before going on to deliver consistently at a high level for several seasons.

Onana came straight from a CL final to work with a manager he knows very well. Hardly the same starting conditions. Plus Onana probably thought that being vocal was somehow more important than keeping the ball out of the fecking net. And he was not the only person to think that. That much was evident when he gave a bollocking to Maguire in the pre-season friendly and had much of the caf salivating over his leadership skills based on that moment.
 
golden_blunder said:
Amorim has a free pass today in terms of result. I’m not gonna get on his back if we get beaten as I expect that to happen at present. A good performance would be nice though, don’t be afraid to challenge them
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He gets a free pass today, but after this game he'll need to start picking up results and performances.
 
golden_blunder said:
Well that’s in “performance” territory

I can forgive a defeat because I’m expecting a defeat but if the performance is so poor that it leads to 6, 7 or more getting thumped past us I would be unhappy with the coach but more so with the players

Im predicting 4-1 to them
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The most optimistic thing with United v Pool games is that quite often form means nothing but on form id be worried we could be wrong side of an absolute pasting.

On a side note, I’ve noticed that subs have very often come on and done well. I think moreso then it being manager getting it right, it is actually down to pressure. Players coming off the bench are usually coming onto a team that’s playing poor and since they started on bench they feel less pressure coming on.

I agree that outside a record thumping (maybe less then 6-0), Amorim will sort of get away with it. I feel like the Southampton game is really “the big one” in terms of people really starting to turn on him. Nobody expects much from next two games , but I just hope it’s not too crazy a loss today.

Even a 3-0 with some signs of quality , would actually raise hopes (ridiculous to even say that!!).

Incidentally, I think 3/2 odds on pool to win to nil is very good odds.
 
We can continue playing Amorim‘s system and at the same time make some pragmatic tweaks, right? I don‘t want him to abandon working on his playstyle, but he knows he will get the sack unless results improve.

Godspeed Ruben.
 
You got to love it when a highly rated young manager comes in with fresh ideas and a few weeks later have to sit in a press conference and tell journalists that our players have to practice the basics, because there is no point trying to exploit weaknesses if you can't do the basics right and know where you are supposed to be.

Great squad that.
 
We’ve had pretty much a full weeks training this week so no excuses.
 
DJ_21 said:
We’ve had pretty much a full weeks training this week so no excuses.
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Except for the quality of Liverpool, the lack of athleticism of our players, the lack of competent midfielders, the lack of a top class striker, and the fact that only last match a majority of our players seemed confused as to their position on the pitch - but aside from that, no excuses.
 
Laurencio said:
Except for the quality of Liverpool, the lack of athleticism of our players, the lack of competent midfielders, the lack of a top class striker, and the fact that only last match a majority of our players seemed confused as to their position on the pitch - but aside from that, no excuses.
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Ye but none of that is being used as excuses… the man himself keeps saying how little training they’ve had. So the fact is we should be seeing more of his philosophy being shown on the pitch.
 
Amorim is the guy. I have total faith in him. He is not afraid to tell it like it is. He knows his system works when drilled even against the best of teams even with nothing special Sporting squad. He will come good and the squad will come good. But we needed a cultural reset and it seems we will get one thankfully. We will not get relegated get a grip. But a season without European football would be a blessing. Trim the squad, improve it. Have abundant time to train and gel the squad and improve it with additions across 3-4 transfer windows and we could resemble a dominant team relatively soon. But there is no quick fix with current personnel. We need at least LWB badly and a quality striker here and now. Good thing is that this hard patch will show him exactly which players have the guts to perform when going gets tough and those will be kept as it should be.
 
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SonOfFergie said:
Amorim is the guy. I have total faith in him. He is not afraid to tell it like it is. He knows his system works when drilled even against the best of teams even with nothing special Sporting squad. He will come good and the squad will come good. But we needed a cultural reset and it seems we will get one thankfully. We will not get relegated get a grip. But a season without European football would be a blessing. Trim the squad, improve it. Have abundant time to train and gel the squad and improve it with additions across 3-4 transfer windows and we could resemble a dominant team relatively soon. But there is no quick fix with current personnel. We need at least LWB badly and a quality striker here and now. Good thing is that this hard patch will show him exactly which players have the guts to perform when going gets tough and those will be kept as it should be.
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Good post Darren
 
Damo Kanchelskis & Giggs said:
I am sick to the back teeth of people excusing Amorim of all responsibility. The quality of the players is a factor that is proportional to success but I would expect to see one or two players flourishing under his inspiration, all players running a whole lot more and to see a general uplift in performance. I don't think the guy is pragmatic enough, I don't think his language is positive enough and I don't think he has the ideas we need. Feels very underwhelming. He's got to get something going. Go Fergie 4-5-1. Defend deep and hit teams on counter or play long balls down the flanks and have and have Hojlund run onto them and young bucks getting up in support. Just something. This wingback shit may work out long term but it could get us relegated before the tale is ever told.

Onana

Maguire. De Ligt Yoro. Dalot.

Dialo. Mainoo. Ugarte. Bruno Garnacho

Hojlund

Ffs get Rashy going. You just know a top manager in the ilk of Fergie, Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep would take him aside and stir his oils. Get him running and fighting and giving his best. Though I do suspect he is so far up his own arse, that this is not an easy job.
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Train wreck of a post.
 
DJ_21 said:
We’ve had pretty much a full weeks training this week so no excuses.
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I often say I judge a manager and his coaches if you can see any progress or change in the play when they've had a week to prepare for a game. Regardless of the opponent, today I expect to see some tangible difference to the passing, the shape, the tactics that they've concluded are required for this fixture.

If we see the same performance as last time, gaps in the defence, a lack of desire, poor passing, then you'd have to question whether he can turn this around.
If you can't motivate the team against a rival like Liverpool, then you're dead man walking as far as I'm concerned.
 
RoadTrip said:
But this post is also a straw man. You can’t compare Guardiola, an established all time manager, with Amorim, who has been successful in a small league and otherwise achieved nothing. It’s much easier to say you wouldn’t tell Guardiola to change when you know his methods win you champions league trophies and trebles. You’ve no idea if waiting for Amorim delivers you anything.
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I don't believe it is a strawman, as Ruben is even more of a system manager than people as his formation is even more drastic. United bought him for his whole package and it needs patience from everyone.
 
Captmfla said:
It's not true that united has no leaders.

Onana is more vocal than De Gea.
De Ligt and Maguire also were Captain before as was Shaw.

Mainoo and Ugarte are up and coming. Casemiro and Eriksen were big leaders for their club and country.

Bruno is the captain for club. Rashford also captained side before. And players like Hojlund is larger than life in their own country.
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Out of that list I would say De Ligt maybe, and maybe Ugarte by example, Casimero and Eriksen are on their way out and do t play every week. But non of the others are Manchester United level captains. Having the arm band at international of club level doesn't make you a leader.

Maguire had it for ages and he wasn't one, I don't want to start a Bruno debate, but when it's not going our way he doesn't lead he can be petulant at times or loses his head trying spam his way to a goal.
 
gulli_G said:
I don't believe it is a strawman, as Ruben is even more of a system manager than people as his formation is even more drastic. United bought him for his whole package and it needs patience from everyone.
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What? Explain to me how Ruben being even more of a system manager has anything at all to do with how much risk there is in trusting him compared to Guardiola?
 
Damo Kanchelskis & Giggs said:
I am sick to the back teeth of people excusing Amorim of all responsibility. The quality of the players is a factor that is proportional to success but I would expect to see one or two players flourishing under his inspiration, all players running a whole lot more and to see a general uplift in performance. I don't think the guy is pragmatic enough, I don't think his language is positive enough and I don't think he has the ideas we need. Feels very underwhelming. He's got to get something going. Go Fergie 4-5-1. Defend deep and hit teams on counter or play long balls down the flanks and have and have Hojlund run onto them and young bucks getting up in support. Just something. This wingback shit may work out long term but it could get us relegated before the tale is ever told.

Onana

Maguire. De Ligt Yoro. Dalot.

Dialo. Mainoo. Ugarte. Bruno Garnacho

Hojlund

Ffs get Rashy going. You just know a top manager in the ilk of Fergie, Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep would take him aside and stir his oils. Get him running and fighting and giving his best. Though I do suspect he is so far up his own arse, that this is not an easy job.
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Fergie would have sold Rashford years ago. ETH with his 4231 would probably be in a worse position this season as he didn't have McTominay to save him.
 
RoadTrip said:
What? Explain to me how Ruben being even more of a system manager has anything at all to do with how much risk there is in trusting him compared to Guardiola?
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You don't get my point, you don't hire a system manager and expect them.to change it. Or let them, like ETH did, I wasn't trying to compare Ruben to Pep.

My point was these players would have flopped in his system/style of play. When you get a manager for a particular way of playing, you can't expect him change his system to suit the players after 1 month, Ruben has proven his system abroad.

Albeit a lesser league, but what he did I Portugal was akin to Fergie at Aberdeen. And before leaving he was up there just under Liverpool in the CL table. His system work just requires patience. I know it doesn't help when our attack is weak, especially after our best striker has downed tools at the critical stage.
 
Damo Kanchelskis & Giggs said:
I am sick to the back teeth of people excusing Amorim of all responsibility. The quality of the players is a factor that is proportional to success but I would expect to see one or two players flourishing under his inspiration, all players running a whole lot more and to see a general uplift in performance. I don't think the guy is pragmatic enough, I don't think his language is positive enough and I don't think he has the ideas we need. Feels very underwhelming. He's got to get something going. Go Fergie 4-5-1. Defend deep and hit teams on counter or play long balls down the flanks and have and have Hojlund run onto them and young bucks getting up in support. Just something. This wingback shit may work out long term but it could get us relegated before the tale is ever told.

Onana

Maguire. De Ligt Yoro. Dalot.

Dialo. Mainoo. Ugarte. Bruno Garnacho

Hojlund

Ffs get Rashy going. You just know a top manager in the ilk of Fergie, Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep would take him aside and stir his oils. Get him running and fighting and giving his best. Though I do suspect he is so far up his own arse, that this is not an easy job.
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Whatever happened to the Newbie promotion system? If ever there were ever a compelling argument for its return, it's this post.
 
SparcMac said:
We have had an insanely tough run of fixtures, with most in-form teams - Arsenal, Bournemouth, Newcastle & Wolves within them. Now also Liverpool coming.
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Damo Kanchelskis & Giggs said:
I am sick to the back teeth of people excusing Amorim of all responsibility. The quality of the players is a factor that is proportional to success but I would expect to see one or two players flourishing under his inspiration, all players running a whole lot more and to see a general uplift in performance. I don't think the guy is pragmatic enough, I don't think his language is positive enough and I don't think he has the ideas we need. Feels very underwhelming. He's got to get something going. Go Fergie 4-5-1. Defend deep and hit teams on counter or play long balls down the flanks and have and have Hojlund run onto them and young bucks getting up in support. Just something. This wingback shit may work out long term but it could get us relegated before the tale is ever told.

Onana

Maguire. De Ligt Yoro. Dalot.

Dialo. Mainoo. Ugarte. Bruno Garnacho

Hojlund

Ffs get Rashy going. You just know a top manager in the ilk of Fergie, Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep would take him aside and stir his oils. Get him running and fighting and giving his best. Though I do suspect he is so far up his own arse, that this is not an easy job.
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To be fair Fergie either would have sorted the Rashford situation one way or the other years ago. Either got him playing well or shipped him out.

However, It's not as simple as all that. I think if we had a stable coaching team throughout the time Rashford was here the same would have happened. Every time a new manager comes in it's a clean slate and they all think they can get the best out of the player and also may not have been informed of the exact nature of the issues under the previous guy.
 
JJ12 said:
One week of training, that should fix it.

Jesus Christ.
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Is it one week of training though? Pretty sure he’s been training the team since November. The difference is he’s not had a full week like he keeps complaining. Who said anything about fixing?
 
Ten Hags stock has only risen since he was sacked. He was not the problem to address.

Changing the manager hasn't made it any less necessary for Rashford and Shaw to be replaced as first team starting players.
 
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