I have every sympathy with your view. Amorim himself talked about the possibility of relegation being an issue during his last post match interview.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Why is it nonsense excatly? Is the team that has been pounded by 7,5 and 4 goals on various occations over the past few years too good to go down? There has literally been teams with this point tally after 19 that got relegated. Had City not thrown the game our record for the season wouldve been even more atrocious. We’ll most likely lose the next two and if the teams below us pick a few points we’ll be within touching distance of 18th.
It’s not a likely event but definitely not nonsense.
Which positions aside from the wingbacks?
Good to see some positivity!!
The two tens need to be half-wingers basically, with excellent technique and pace. And the wide CBs need good recovery pace to defend the flanks and they have to be good ball carriers.
Our form since Amorim came in is less than a point per game, and we look worse with each game.
Likely after Liverpool and Arsenal we’ll be averaging 0.7 ppg, a 27 point season.
I’m glad you’re confident but I was convinced we’d get beat by Wolves and Newcastle once I saw the line up.
I’ll show some confidence when the lineup starts looking like it has goals in it.
So what's your minimum expectation for Amorim this season? Blank cheque? As long as no relegation all well and good. Next season we give him 300m to spend? Also, we need to give him 3 years?
A new manager before the end of the season is very realistic. Especially if we continue to be so close to relegation or maybe even get even closer to it.
If you look at INEOS in Nice, they have been there since 2019 and in that time they have changed managers as often as they change underwear. Some of their managers have only been in Nice for half a year or even less:
| Franck Haise | 01 Jul, 2024 | Present | Games | Won | Drawn | Lost |
| Francesco Farioli | 01 Jul, 2023 | 30 Jun, 2024 | 38 | 17 | 11 | 10 |
| Didier Digard | 09 Jan, 2023 | 30 Jun, 2023 | 25 | 12 | 8 | 5 |
| Lucien Favre | 27 Jun, 2022 | 09 Jan, 2023 | 26 | 8 | 9 | 9 |
| Christophe Galtier | 28 Jun, 2021 | 27 Jun, 2022 | 43 | 23 | 8 | 12 |
| Adrian Ursea | 04 Dec, 2020 | 28 Jun, 2021 | 30 | 11 | 5 | 14 |
| Patrick Vieira | 11 Jun, 2018 | 04 Dec, 2020 | 89 | 35 | 22 | 23 |
Amorim in United:
| Amorim | 24 Nov, 2024 | Present | Games | Won | Drawn | Lost |
| 11 | 4 | 1 | 6 |
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There is no way we are getting relegated. Even if this form continues, we will be able to get 4-5 wins in the second part of the season.
That's just the worst case scenario. The point was he needs to improve and implement a style of play. He also needs to make full use of the squad. We cant have every manager that comes in need to change 24 players to play his style. So far he has shown nothing to justify he is the right manager.
Like the players we have attracted over the last five or six years? We need a revamp of the recruitment, rewrite the whole playbook and adjust our sights from PSG, Bayern rejects to players teams like Villa, Brighton etc would look at so as to build a solid base.
Only when we re-establish ourselves as a bonafide top six team should be look at players that can raise our ceiling. Right now we should be interested more the right profiles re - athleticism, technical proficiency and mentality. What's the point of spending £100m on a 30 goal striker when you can't even play it out from the back?
Treat this as a multi year project, not just to build a team for Amorim but to transform the whole squad so that we have a squad that's not too expensive on wages, has the right physicality and technical prowess for the league and is on the up.
Yeah there was a very clear abandoning of EtH’s style after the first two games. We then set up with Ole ball against Liverpool and Arsenal and beat them and then focused on being a transition team.
I still feel we’re paying somewhat for the mistakes of our last three managers or more specifically the club set up, and I applaud Amorim for not reverting to the old ways even if it is painful.
Other than Southampton, I feel like every other team in the league can get an easy 3 points off us in this current form... then the relegation talk does not sound crazy
The Arsenal games is in the cup. Our next league game after Liverpool is Southampton at home. If we don’t win that then we’ll be in some trouble.
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I have a sneaky feeling that if Gareth Southgate had come in and played five at the back with these results, he wouldn’t be seeing so much patience from these fans.
I’m in agreement with you that any new manager should be able to show a big improvement with what he has before we should be handing them massive war chests again to “build their own team”.
We’ve made that mistake so many times but at least this manager appears to understand in his pressers that results will win him in time & results only.
This does need to be the plan. Unfortunately, I am unsure we have a board or a supporter base willing to be patient enough for it. It has needed to be the plan for a while.
I don't consider the end of this season to be a fair timescale. I'd be giving Amorim at minimum, the end of next season. Caveats of course being relegation this season or prolonged relegation form well into next season. I'm confident that neither of those two things will be happening.
Absolutely, he needs to get results fast to buy him more time. We are at relegation form at the moment. This is unacceptable especially our style of play have also regressed badly. This is unbelievable as we all thought that Amorim could at least improve from ETH. ATM, we look worse than ETH.
When you employ Amorim, you employ Amorim's one idea. That is irrespective of how many of the current players it suits. Just my view that relegation isn't happening. Three wins from 19 games will likely be enough.
I can't believe Man Utd fans nowadays setting relegation or relegation form as KPI. Enough said.
This is the issue, you hear people clamouring for a rebuild but lose their heads the moment things get tough and lose all appreciation of context. They pick on the formation but ignore the bizzare errors players make. They point out that we have a rotten culture but blame the manager the second it rears it's ugly head.
They want a proven striker but bulk at the wages demanded by the targets, big up the club for walking away but blame Amorim for not doing more with what he has, what exactly? The same shower that nearly threw away a semifinal against Coventry, got thumped at Palace etc.
Preaching to the choir with me anyway.
Yes, I do believe we are too good to go down. It might not be what some of you like to hear, but it's the truth. City did not throw the game. We were the better side and deserved our victory. Southampton is our next league game after Liverpool. I don't expect us to lose that.
Arsenal is a cup game. I think we will lose to Liverpool and beat Southampton, so 25 points from 21 games. Far from good, but not the doomsday picture you paint.
Do goals in the lineup mean the inclusion of Rashford and/or Garnacho?
We will not be relegated, Arteta finished 8th in his 1st and 2nd season so some need to calm down and trust Rubin to get a grip of these players weed out the rubbish and re build us into a team with a strong mindset and work ethic
Well, what are you expecting? Champions League football right off the bat? As long as the playing style has fully established itself over the next year and performances have reached a certain level, then that's fine for now. We can go into the market with clarity and fine tune certain positions.
I'd hope a manager getting paid millions has at least two ideas.
He doesn't. He's stated recently that he has only one idea.
All good centre backs should be proficient in defending the channels though, fullbacks getting caught forward has been a thing forever.
Agreed on the tens though.
It's deluded optimism to believe relegation is extremely unlikely?
Put some money on it then. You can get some very good odds.
He should be sacked if we don't get at least six points from Southampton, Brighton, and Fulham.
I'd say that's a little hasty.
Losing to Brighton and Fulham is a very real possibility. At the moment, both are better than us.
In general, no manager should be allowed to “build his own team” or “buy his own players”. We need players who suit the club strategy irrespective of who’s the current manager, which in turn means we need managers who are compatible and on board with the club strategy. I thought we’d all learned as much from ETH’s reign but evidently not, considering the amount of posters who want us to spend a fortune on specialized players for a niche system.
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Probably because Gareth Southgate is at an age where he should be an experienced manager, yet has achieved the square root of feck all.
This is why he was a bad appointment, he only has 1 idea which wont work with our current squad and even if we somehow find money to buy the players that'll make it work what happens when it gets found out and stops working again?
Well, that's not good.
He's never played any other system in his coaching career? It's like even if there were crazy injuries in our squad and we needed to just draw a tough away game in order to progress in the EL, he'd stick to his one idea.
That could be admirable or silly depending on the outcome.
Also no one wanted him to start with
A lot of managers only have one idea. As a profile, Amorim is no different to Klopp or Guardiola in the sense that they have a very clear and defined way in which they see the game. You can tweak certain things within the system, but largely, the idea stays the same.