Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

I really don't see him coming in and making a difference with these players. I know it's sort of year 0 with the new owners and sporting leadership so it'll take time. I hope I'm proven wrong and that his structure will hit down on the individuals. But this feels like the Moyes to van Gaal to Mourinho situation. Go from style to style creating a mess.

it's hard to imagine it now but it's amazing what confidence can do to a player, not to mention a good coach

some will obviously fail and needed to be shipped out, but I'm confident at least some can succeed

Ugarte is obviously a good fit
Hoijland looks like the right mould of centre forward
Martinez and De Ligt would appear like decent fits for the wide cb's roles as they are both good passers and ball carriers from defence
Dalot could potentially play the wing back role or the wide cb role I believe, Mazraoui possibly too
Yoro has great attributes and potential and I'm sure he can work with him
Garnacho and Amad could both work as the wing backs or even the number 10s

then there's a bunch who obviously don't fit, and imo Rashford, Casemiro and Eriksen won't be great fits.. and a bunch that are just crap and needed to be shipped out
 
It'll doubtful it ever happens to united due to our stature bur leaving your club mod season and potentially ruining their first back to back title win since 1960 does leave a bit of a sour taste from purely sentimental view.

But yeah it's a cut throat business and I'm under no illusion it's anything else, most would have taken the same decision if we're in his shoes.

Everything that happened was due to the low release clause in his contract. He explained it clearly and even the majority of Sporting fans understood and accepted the logical reasons, having initially felt outraged.
I am sure there is no release clause in his United contract. Doesn't mean he won't run down his contract and leave if Madrid came calling for example. But any potential mid season shenanigans can be ruled out definitively.
 
It'll doubtful it ever happens to united due to our stature bur leaving your club mod season and potentially ruining their first back to back title win since 1960 does leave a bit of a sour taste from purely sentimental view.
Still not making sense. Are you a sporting fan? It’s a personal choice to better himself for sure, but he’s been very respectful to SCP how he has handled it. Their world isn’t going to implode because the coach leaves. Either way I don’t think opportunistic is the right word.
 
He can forget it if he thinks these lot are doing anything like this. Absolutely no chance.
Think it will be his way or the highway, INEOS are invested in him and an ethos of accountability for attitude, Brailsford has stated he is only interested in people with the right mentality, I believe that is how the entire model from tea lady to CEO will be managed.

I think the majority of players will respond positively, especially if results and performances improve, those who don't Amorim will bench, no question he does not pander to pre-Madonna's, and unlike ETH, Ole and Mou who were somewhat hung out to dry by Woodward and Co. I am fairly confident that Amorim will be backed 100% under INEOS
 
Still not making sense. Are you a sporting fan? It’s a personal choice to better himself for sure, but he’s been very respectful to SCP how he has handled it. Their world isn’t going to implode because the coach leaves. Either way I don’t think opportunistic is the right word.
He actually tried to get United to wait until the end of the season, but they told him it's now or never. They would look elsewhere.

To be fair, apparently he asked a number of key players to show loyalty to Sporting this summer when they were linked with moves away. Now he's leaving for a bigger club. :lol:
 
How long before the usual "leaked" reports that the players are unhappy with the training methods or intensity Happens with every new manager after about 2 weeks
Will be after they release a leak saying how impressed they are with his training methods first and how it engages and prepares them for games in ways beyond ETH’s training.
 
As a Sporting CP fan, I’d advise not getting your hopes too high initially. Ruben Amorim is a talented coach, but he’s also quite stubborn, and his tactical system can be complex for players to grasp right away. You’ll need to be patient—both for him to adapt to the Premier League and for the squad to fully understand his ideas. The winter and, more importantly, the summer transfer windows will be crucial for fine-tuning the squad.

During his time at Sporting CP, the tactical evolution was remarkable. However, the early months weren’t smooth. The real game-changer was the defensive solidity that led to his first league title. In his second season, player departures held back further progress. But by last year, his offensive ideas had started to take root, and the team became a nightmare for opponents despite having a short squad.

He might try to bring players like Nuno Mendes and Pedro Porro - key to his first title-winning team. Pedro Gonçalves could also be on his radar, given his importance in Sporting's setup (it is his favourite player).

The initial months will be about assessing the current squad. Players who don’t commit to the system or training standards, regardless of status, will be cur out from the squad - he values effort, adaptability and team work. The guy doesn't care about the reputation of players. When he arrived he cut out Marcus Acuña which was one of the top players and used Nuno Mendes, who was 17 at the time. Later, he cut out Mathieu which was a fan favourite and started with Gonçalo Inácio and even Eduardo Quaresma.

At Sporting, he didn’t control transfers; the scouts worked to find players fitting his vision. Yet, he occasionally made specific requests. Not always the best option. Ricardo Esgaio was a specific request and he was horrible. The same happen with Paulinho that only develop his full potential last season.

Give him time and trust him.
 
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Even if the coaching improves, i don;t think there will ever be improvements enough with the current squad to make them a top side.

Professional footballers should not need extensive coaching to get the basics right of completing relatively easy passes under pressure , taking right options at least half the time, putting an effort into pressing etc etc but we have players lacking the ability or drive to implement these basics of the game.

But these things do make a difference. The sides that are very well drilled on the ball have clear passing structures and know their out passes like the back of the hands. I hate how much of a modern football term it is, but there's a reason people call them automations, and I just do not think they have been coached or drilled in anything approaching a sufficient way in the last years.

Add to that the fact that confidence is at its lowest ebb because we've persisted with a manager who doesn't know what he's doing, runs his players into the ground, and regularly leaves them exposed, and that's a recipe for the sloppy mistakes we've seen under ten Hag.

Or to put it another way, if these things don't improve under Amorim then we're in serious trouble, because it would suggest he's not able to fix some pretty glaring ten Hag issues. Not all players will be able to do it, and you're right that there probably is an upper ceiling for some of these players below the likes of Europe's top clubs, but this crop of players is capable of doing it at least to a better standard than the likes of Villa and Forest.
 
Even if the coaching improves, i don;t think there will ever be improvements enough with the current squad to make them a top side.

Professional footballers should not need extensive coaching to get the basics right of completing relatively easy passes under pressure , taking right options at least half the time, putting an effort into pressing etc etc but we have players lacking the ability or drive to implement these basics of the game.

That is nonsense. There is a reason why the teams with the best coaching wins the PL. Pep and Klopp over the last few years.

There is so much evidence out there over the last few years where a better coach has improved teams.

Chelsea under Lampard v Chelsea under Tuchel
Villa under Gerrard v Villa under Emry
Barca under Xavi v Barca under Flick
Spurs under Conte v Spurs under Ange
 
He is not going to do miracle with these players.
You never know. Sometimes alls it takes is good coaching and a clear message of what you want. Communication is key. He’s suppose to be really good at it
 
We already have one that’s not been given a chance yet. Amass
Don't think Amass is physically ready. Our team already lacks a lot of physicality. Not sure why we let Alvaro go to be honest, he has those physical qualities we miss, while good on the ball too.
 
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what about this one until we buy good attack?

------------------------Hoijlund-------------------------------

---------Eriksen-------------------Bruno------------------------

----Shaw-----Casemiro------Ugarte---------Maz------

--------Lisandro---Maguire------Deligt-----------------------
 
Can't wait for this lad to stamp his mark on the club. Exciting times ahead.
 
what about this one until we buy good attack?

------------------------Hoijlund-------------------------------

---------Eriksen-------------------Bruno------------------------

----Shaw-----Casemiro------Ugarte---------Maz------

--------Lisandro---Maguire------Deligt-----------------------
De Ligt will play in the middle. Maguire will be out of the squad. Casemiro will not play at same time as Ugarte and probably will leave soon. Eriksen will be benched.
 
what about this one until we buy good attack?

------------------------Hoijlund-------------------------------

---------Eriksen-------------------Bruno------------------------

----Shaw-----Casemiro------Ugarte---------Maz------

--------Lisandro---Maguire------Deligt-----------------------
Dream on.
 
Don't think he is physically ready. Our team already lacks a lot of physicality. Not sure why we let him go to be honest.
To be fair, he had a decent loan at Preston and then struggled to hold down a spot at Granada. He wasn't a regular starter for Benfica last season either.

It's still early days. A good start to this season though.
 
To be fair, he had a decent loan at Preston and then struggled to hold down a spot at Granada. He wasn't a regular starter for Benfica last season either.

It's still early days. A good start to this season though.
Was talking about Amass not being physically ready. Alvaro is quick, tall and seemingly strong. All things we could do with right now.
 
You said I'm not sure why we let him go?
The person I was quoting was talking about Amass. I replied saying I don't think Amass is ready, he lacks the physicality Alvaro has - not sure why we let Alvaro go.

Sorry, I have edited the post, I should have been clearer.
 
Bloody terrible yesterday, can’t tell the difference with Van Gaal I mean Ten Hag. Same old same old. Rubbish tactics, no leaders on the pitch and couldn’t score in a barn door. Even the bloody beard is the same. INEOS out. Now where’s my medicine.
 
what about this one until we buy good attack?

------------------------Hoijlund-------------------------------

---------Eriksen-------------------Bruno------------------------

----Shaw-----Casemiro------Ugarte---------Maz------

--------Lisandro---Maguire------Deligt-----------------------
how do you expect to score with that group?
 
The person I was quoting was talking about Amass. I replied saying I don't think Amass is ready, he lacks the physicality Alvaro has - not sure why we let Alvaro go.

Sorry, I have edited the post, I should have been clearer.
I replied to you in response to why United might have let him (Carreras) go.

As in he didn't do particularly well on loan at Granada or Benfica last season.
 
The person I was quoting was talking about Amass. I replied saying I don't think Amass is ready, he lacks the physicality Alvaro has - not sure why we let Alvaro go.

Sorry, I have edited the post, I should have been clearer.
balance the books and get the kid some experience hence the insertion of a buyback clause

one that we should definitely take if available in january once benfica are out of the CL
 
I replied to you in response to why United might have let him (Carreras) go.

As in he didn't do particularly well on loan at Granada or Benfica last season.
I'm not sure how well he did in honesty. He is starting for them now, in the CL no less. Maybe he needed some time bedding in, which I feel like we could have done last year given we had 0 fit LBs.

Anyway, let's see what happens. On paper, as I say, he has a lot of the qualities we miss in the team. Physically and technically well rounded. Mentally, only the coaches know for sure.
 
Bloody terrible yesterday, can’t tell the difference with Van Gaal I mean Ten Hag. Same old same old. Rubbish tactics, no leaders on the pitch and couldn’t score in a barn door. Even the bloody beard is the same. INEOS out. Now where’s my medicine.
Maybe it's just Dutch coaches.
 

Have you heard the full question from the British reporter? fecking cringe, asking him for an answer in English, and then when told "Sorry, no" continued to ask "why not?" repeatedly. Maybe because he's in Portugal, working for another club and it's nothing to do with the game.

"You've spent 20 minutes talking Portuguese, we only want a 20 second answer".
 
Have you heard the full question from the British reporter? fecking cringe, asking him for an answer in English, and then when told "Sorry, no" continued to ask "why not?" repeatedly. Maybe because he's in Portugal, working for another club and it's nothing to do with the game.

"You've spent 20 minutes talking Portuguese, we only want a 20 second answer".
No surprise to see it was that moron Cotterill.
 
Anyone interested, here's the presser.
English journos were obssessing about getting an answer in English.
 
Anyone interested, here's the presser.
English journos were obssessing about getting an answer in English.


Who’s that absolute clown of a journalist fishing for an English answer?

He probably thinks he’s being smart, but fecking hell, I know it’s his job but how insufferable must you force yourself to be.