Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

I have a genuine belief that when Ruben starts working with the squad, he’ll know he can’t buy anyone for a few months so he’ll look at the youth set up and possibly promote 4 or 5 players to start working with straight away.

I can see Jack Fletcher, Dan Gore, Harry Amass, G Biancheri, E Wheatley and Shea Lacey getting moved up to train initially with the first team with some getting game time.
 
I have a genuine belief that when Ruben starts working with the squad, he’ll know he can’t buy anyone for a few months so he’ll look at the youth set up and possibly promote 4 or 5 players to start working with straight away.

I can see Jack Fletcher, Dan Gore, Harry Amass, G Biancheri, E Wheatley and Shea Lacey getting moved up to train initially with the first team with some getting game time.
Most of those players are already in and around first team training with Fletcher, Gore, Amass and Wheatley featuring in first team squads this season.
 
Exactly, players must also know, they will be gone if the manager doesn't rate them.

This common thing about our players being lazy but its not, its the system designed to fail. There are a few players that fall into that category but I have seen players like Bruno, Hojlund, Amad, ugarte, defence run and try...

Amorin just needs to get us playing as a team rather than individuals.


So true, these are seasoned professionals at the top level, most of them starters at their national teams, some won trophies, they are nowhere near title challengers for sure, but they are far better than 8th or 6th, let alone 14th, and they should be up there with top 4 challengers, Amorim will have to work with the squad and make them more than the sum of its parts, implement the right tactics and demand more from them.

Also, the players know the jig is up, there is a new management, and they hired their man as the new head coach, they might want to work with the head coach they handpicked, and if that head coach thinks one of these players isn't doing what's needed, the management will work him to get rid of said player.
 
I've seen this point a lot, but I don't think I'm quite ready to buy it.

To me it's a group of players that's had no coaching or direction for 2 years and who regularly look like they've never met each other before. They're individually better than the collective looks right now.

There are some players who I don't see having a future here, but the majority I feel like with the right guidance, and with a manager who can give them some confidence, they can do significantly more.

Biggest issue for me is going to be if Amorim can actually make us a team that looks after the ball. I really don't know how much of that is a mentality issue and how much of it is players simply lacking the skills needed.

Even if the coaching improves, i don;t think there will ever be improvements enough with the current squad to make them a top side.

Professional footballers should not need extensive coaching to get the basics right of completing relatively easy passes under pressure , taking right options at least half the time, putting an effort into pressing etc etc but we have players lacking the ability or drive to implement these basics of the game.
 
In a few years he'll be at Real Madrid saying it was his lifelong dream
 
How long before the usual "leaked" reports that the players are unhappy with the training methods or intensity Happens with every new manager after about 2 weeks
 
So true, these are seasoned professionals at the top level, most of them starters at their national teams, some won trophies, they are nowhere near title challengers for sure, but they are far better than 8th or 6th, let alone 14th, and they should be up there with top 4 challengers, Amorim will have to work with the squad and make them more than the sum of its parts, implement the right tactics and demand more from them.

Also, the players know the jig is up, there is a new management, and they hired their man as the new head coach, they might want to work with the head coach they handpicked, and if that head coach thinks one of these players isn't doing what's needed, the management will work him to get rid of said player.

The issue is the players that will be under question, will most likely be the ones previously questioned, Rashford, Bruno etc.. so if another manager comes in and the same players are being questioned, we know what will happen this time around.

Its either you buy into the manager or you dont, there is no middle ground here anymore.

All those leaks we have had about players thinking training is either too hard or too easy, will not fly anymore.

Players like Ugarte had his best season under Amorim.

Look at the players he has improved over the years, Nuno Mendes, Porro, Inacio, Paulinha, ugarte and Gyokeres.
 
And as is the norm, not by their own fans
I'd be genuinely interested for that game in particular so see what percentage of the viewership will actually be City 'fans'

Sporting are quite a big side with a decent following and obviously we are the biggest team in the world so..
 
In a few years he'll be at Real Madrid saying it was his lifelong dream
If he does well to attract the likes of Madrid then he'd have done better than any other manager we have had since Fergie. Won't begrudge him that move and I think we will survive that too because we have built a structure to help us negotiate such transitions seamlessly.
 
So true, these are seasoned professionals at the top level, most of them starters at their national teams, some won trophies, they are nowhere near title challengers for sure, but they are far better than 8th or 6th, let alone 14th, and they should be up there with top 4 challengers, Amorim will have to work with the squad and make them more than the sum of its parts, implement the right tactics and demand more from them.

Also, the players know the jig is up, there is a new management, and they hired their man as the new head coach, they might want to work with the head coach they handpicked, and if that head coach thinks one of these players isn't doing what's needed, the management will work him to get rid of said player.
I think, on the whole, we have weak minded players who easily lose their heads but it's not like they are uncoachable saboteurs they need a leader. They just easily lose faith. We are also missing some important profiles, in 8 years since Carrick retired we haven't really signed a player of his calibre, Madrid, since losing Kroos, no longer have that fluency he gave them.

Amorim is going to need to be open minded, smart and daring because he is two months away from the winter window and there he will be lucky to get one player and eight months away from a proper window thereby which he could have lost his credibility, if results don't pick up. I think he will need to promote a few youths to fill out the profiles lacking in the squad, be less tolerant with wannabe mavericks who lack the talent to back up their selfishness.
 
Even if the coaching improves, i don;t think there will ever be improvements enough with the current squad to make them a top side.

Professional footballers should not need extensive coaching to get the basics right of completing relatively easy passes under pressure , taking right options at least half the time, putting an effort into pressing etc etc but we have players lacking the ability or drive to implement these basics of the game.

Doesn't Emery at Aston Villa debunk your point? He turned that group of players from relegation candidates to a strong CL team. And, in less than a few months.
 
I think, on the whole, we have weak minded players who easily lose their heads but it's not like they are uncoachable saboteurs they need a leader. They just easily lose faith. We are also missing some important profiles, in 8 years since Carrick retired we haven't really signed a player of his calibre, Madrid, since losing Kroos, no longer have that fluency he gave them.

Amorim is going to need to be open minded, smart and daring because he is two months away from the winter window and there he will be lucky to get one player and eight months away from a proper window thereby which he could have lost his credibility, if results don't pick up. I think he will need to promote a few youths to fill out the profiles lacking in the squad, be less tolerant with wannabe mavericks who lack the talent to back up their selfishness.
I agree with bolded, and I think it is due to lack of foundation in the whole squad, as in lack of collective work ethic, lack of collective focus, collective determination, you will see some give 110%, other stroll around, one who is on it 100%, and some lose focus, drop their head when they concede, even someone like Cas who came from winning culture is affected by it, all that made them weak as a collective, and Amorim will need to work on that, sure, they can train hard under him in Carrington, EtH is known for his hardcore sessions, but they have to be at 110% collectively during the match, and either Amorim gets them to do this or he brings in players who will do that, even promote youngsters if needed.

Let's hope these players treat this a clean slate and clean up their act.
 
With all our failed managers up to this point, one of the most common criticisms levelled at them when they started struggling was "the wasted X amount of money on Player Y".

It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when we struggle under Amorim. Will he still get the blame, or will people be more inclined to direct their ire at Wilcox, Ashworth et al? The thing about the manager having reduced responsibility is that it also comes with reduced culpability.
 
With all our failed managers up to this point, one of the most common criticisms levelled at them when they started struggling was "the wasted X amount of money on Player Y".

It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when we struggle under Amorim. Will he still get the blame, or will people be more inclined to direct their ire at Wilcox, Ashworth et al? The thing about the manager having reduced responsibility is that it also comes with reduced culpability.
I can see people gunning for the likes of Ashworth, yes. Rightly so if signings are poor and money is badly spent over a number of windows.

This past summer's recruitment is open to criticism from all angles. INEOS will have to take some of the blame, not just ten Hag. Mazraoui is the only genuine success story so far.

There will be nowhere to hide when it comes to future transfer windows. Everything is in place now.

Amorim will be initially judged on things like formations, player improvement, dealing with the media, etc.
 
With all our failed managers up to this point, one of the most common criticisms levelled at them when they started struggling was "the wasted X amount of money on Player Y".

It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when we struggle under Amorim. Will he still get the blame, or will people be more inclined to direct their ire at Wilcox, Ashworth et al? The thing about the manager having reduced responsibility is that it also comes with reduced culpability.
It muddies the water as far as culpability is concerned, but it will still be Amorim that is front and centre on a match day and it will be him who faces the media every week - so rightly or wrongly he will likely get the blame.
 
I can remember when we got EtH, this place was going into paroxysms of onanistic delight. I am looking into the future and can just see, when he doesn't deliver the Premiership, FA Cup and European Cup within his first 2 years, this place will then be calling for his head. Hopefully INEOS have put a good management team in place and we won't be spunking £80 mill on misfits.

I can’t identify with that kind of thinking. I wasn’t fed up with Eric cause of not winning titles. I was fed up by his behavior, the constant apologies, the delusion, the same mistakes. That’s way more unforgiving than not winning anything in 3 yrs
 
Seems to be a bit of an opportunist which i wouldn't mind too much if he's good at his job.
 
Fraud is such a daft word choice to use and just comes across childishly aggressive, to be honest. It didn’t work out, he tried and everyone tried. It’s over, let go of the rage.
I already have the poster on ignore. But I know the line of c**p they are peddling. Great you have the energy to respond. I’m waaay beyond that. I have immense respect for ETH. He got some things wrong. He did a lot right. Maybe the rear view mirror will show him, in time, in a softer light. One thing he never was; a fraud. The idiots who peddle such lines only show how shallow their knowledge/interest is in football or in the club.
 
Weird post. What does this even mean? He’s been headhunted by the club based on his results thus far- what’s opportunistic about that?
It'll doubtful it ever happens to united due to our stature bur leaving your club mod season and potentially ruining their first back to back title win since 1960 does leave a bit of a sour taste from purely sentimental view.

But yeah it's a cut throat business and I'm under no illusion it's anything else, most would have taken the same decision if we're in his shoes.
 
It'll doubtful it ever happens to united due to our stature bur leaving your club mod season and potentially ruining their first back to back title win since 1960 does leave a bit of a sour taste from purely sentimental view.

But yeah it's a cut throat business and I'm under no illusion it's anything else, most would have taken the same decision if we're in his shoes.
I actually wouldn't go near United as a player or manager right now. It's largely been a graveyard since 2013.

What keeps attracting people to the managerial position is the ambition that they will be the man who turns Manchester United Football Club around. That and the money. Haha.