Most of those players are already in and around first team training with Fletcher, Gore, Amass and Wheatley featuring in first team squads this season.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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So true, these are seasoned professionals at the top level, most of them starters at their national teams, some won trophies, they are nowhere near title challengers for sure, but they are far better than 8th or 6th, let alone 14th, and they should be up there with top 4 challengers, Amorim will have to work with the squad and make them more than the sum of its parts, implement the right tactics and demand more from them.
Also, the players know the jig is up, there is a new management, and they hired their man as the new head coach, they might want to work with the head coach they handpicked, and if that head coach thinks one of these players isn't doing what's needed, the management will work him to get rid of said player.
Even if the coaching improves, i don;t think there will ever be improvements enough with the current squad to make them a top side.
Professional footballers should not need extensive coaching to get the basics right of completing relatively easy passes under pressure , taking right options at least half the time, putting an effort into pressing etc etc but we have players lacking the ability or drive to implement these basics of the game.
In a few years he'll be at Real Madrid saying it was his lifelong dream
That makes 1 good post every 10,000 for me then. Thanks.
Looks like we’re in for a brilliant few years then
Guess jude Bellingham isn’t good either then. Good enough for Birmingham, good enough for Madrid.
How long before the usual "leaked" reports that the players are unhappy with the training methods or intensity Happens with every new manager after about 2 weeks
He’ll probably watch our next 2 aswell. He’ll want to know what he has to work with.
If he lasts more than 2.5 years here, well done to him. Nobody in the last 10 years has managed it.
That's one hell of a match for us to watch now
If he delivers us some trophies including the PL then he can go with our blessing
Indeed. Probably the most watched City match ever
And as is the norm, not by their own fansIndeed. Probably the most watched City match ever
The issue is the players that will be under question, will most likely be the ones previously questioned, Rashford, Bruno etc.. so if another manager comes in and the same players are being questioned, we know what will happen this time around.
Its either you buy into the manager or you dont, there is no middle ground here anymore.
All those leaks we have had about players thinking training is either too hard or too easy, will not fly anymore.
Players like Ugarte had his best season under Amorim.
Look at the players he has improved over the years, Nuno Mendes, Porro, Inacio, Paulinha, ugarte and Gyokeres.
I'd be genuinely interested for that game in particular so see what percentage of the viewership will actually be City 'fans'
Sporting are quite a big side with a decent following and obviously we are the biggest team in the world so..
If he does well to attract the likes of Madrid then he'd have done better than any other manager we have had since Fergie. Won't begrudge him that move and I think we will survive that too because we have built a structure to help us negotiate such transitions seamlessly.
I think, on the whole, we have weak minded players who easily lose their heads but it's not like they are uncoachable saboteurs they need a leader. They just easily lose faith. We are also missing some important profiles, in 8 years since Carrick retired we haven't really signed a player of his calibre, Madrid, since losing Kroos, no longer have that fluency he gave them.
Amorim is going to need to be open minded, smart and daring because he is two months away from the winter window and there he will be lucky to get one player and eight months away from a proper window thereby which he could have lost his credibility, if results don't pick up. I think he will need to promote a few youths to fill out the profiles lacking in the squad, be less tolerant with wannabe mavericks who lack the talent to back up their selfishness.
Doesn't Emery at Aston Villa debunk your point? He turned that group of players from relegation candidates to a strong CL team. And, in less than a few months.
I agree with bolded, and I think it is due to lack of foundation in the whole squad, as in lack of collective work ethic, lack of collective focus, collective determination, you will see some give 110%, other stroll around, one who is on it 100%, and some lose focus, drop their head when they concede, even someone like Cas who came from winning culture is affected by it, all that made them weak as a collective, and Amorim will need to work on that, sure, they can train hard under him in Carrington, EtH is known for his hardcore sessions, but they have to be at 110% collectively during the match, and either Amorim gets them to do this or he brings in players who will do that, even promote youngsters if needed.
Let's hope these players treat this a clean slate and clean up their act.
With all our failed managers up to this point, one of the most common criticisms levelled at them when they started struggling was "the wasted X amount of money on Player Y".
It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when we struggle under Amorim. Will he still get the blame, or will people be more inclined to direct their ire at Wilcox, Ashworth et al? The thing about the manager having reduced responsibility is that it also comes with reduced culpability.
It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when we struggle under Amorim. Will he still get the blame, or will people be more inclined to direct their ire at Wilcox, Ashworth et al? The thing about the manager having reduced responsibility is that it also comes with reduced culpability.
I can see people gunning for the likes of Ashworth, yes. Rightly so if signings are poor and money is badly spent over a number of windows.
This past summer's recruitment is open to criticism from all angles. INEOS will have to take some of the blame, not just ten Hag. Mazraoui is the only genuine success story so far.
There will be nowhere to hide when it comes to future transfer windows. Everything is in place now.
Amorim will be initially judged on things like formations, player improvement, dealing with the media, etc.
I doubt he was doing the above at any point during or after the game.
It muddies the water as far as culpability is concerned, but it will still be Amorim that is front and centre on a match day and it will be him who faces the media every week - so rightly or wrongly he will likely get the blame.
I can’t identify with that kind of thinking. I wasn’t fed up with Eric cause of not winning titles. I was fed up by his behavior, the constant apologies, the delusion, the same mistakes. That’s way more unforgiving than not winning anything in 3 yrs
Seems to be a bit of an opportunist which i wouldn't mind too much if he's good at his job.
Probably the most excited I've ever been to watch Man City
I already have the poster on ignore. But I know the line of c**p they are peddling. Great you have the energy to respond. I’m waaay beyond that. I have immense respect for ETH. He got some things wrong. He did a lot right. Maybe the rear view mirror will show him, in time, in a softer light. One thing he never was; a fraud. The idiots who peddle such lines only show how shallow their knowledge/interest is in football or in the club.
Weird post. What does this even mean? He’s been headhunted by the club based on his results thus far- what’s opportunistic about that?
"If the Nevilles can play for England, so can I"
"If Manuel Ugarte can play for Man United, so can I"
He's shooting his shot.
Ruben may need a LWB.
He can forget it if he thinks these lot are doing anything like this. Absolutely no chance.
It'll doubtful it ever happens to united due to our stature bur leaving your club mod season and potentially ruining their first back to back title win since 1960 does leave a bit of a sour taste from purely sentimental view.
But yeah it's a cut throat business and I'm under no illusion it's anything else, most would have taken the same decision if we're in his shoes.
I actually wouldn't go near United as a player or manager right now. It's largely been a graveyard since 2013.
What keeps attracting people to the managerial position is the ambition that they will be the man who turns Manchester United Football Club around. That and the money. Haha.
it's hard to imagine it now but it's amazing what confidence can do to a player, not to mention a good coach
some will obviously fail and needed to be shipped out, but I'm confident at least some can succeed
Ugarte is obviously a good fit
Hoijland looks like the right mould of centre forward
Martinez and De Ligt would appear like decent fits for the wide cb's roles as they are both good passers and ball carriers from defence
Dalot could potentially play the wing back role or the wide cb role I believe, Mazraoui possibly too
Yoro has great attributes and potential and I'm sure he can work with him
Garnacho and Amad could both work as the wing backs or even the number 10s
then there's a bunch who obviously don't fit, and imo Rashford, Casemiro and Eriksen won't be great fits.. and a bunch that are just crap and needed to be shipped out
Everything that happened was due to the low release clause in his contract. He explained it clearly and even the majority of Sporting fans understood and accepted the logical reasons, having initially felt outraged.
I am sure there is no release clause in his United contract. Doesn't mean he won't run down his contract and leave if Madrid came calling for example. But any potential mid season shenanigans can be ruled out definitively.
Still not making sense. Are you a sporting fan? It’s a personal choice to better himself for sure, but he’s been very respectful to SCP how he has handled it. Their world isn’t going to implode because the coach leaves. Either way I don’t think opportunistic is the right word.