Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

klayton88 said:
How does he coach this squad to press correctly? Why for three seasons now, if not more, so shit at pressing. It's often half arsed lone attempts while everybody else is late to the party, but which time the opportunity has gone. When you watch almost every other team press, it's organised, and timed, and everybody knows what to do. It's like we just POI NT fingers and skip towards the opponent.
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Maybe he and his team will just be better at it?
 
klayton88 said:
How does he coach this squad to press correctly? Why for three seasons now, if not more, are we so shit at pressing. It's often half arsed lone attempts while everybody else is late to the party, by which time the opportunity has gone. When you watch almost every other team press, it's organised, and timed, and everybody knows what to do. It's like we just POI NT fingers and skip towards the opponent.
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Thing is a demoralised team will be ineffective, a poorly coached team will execute poorly, when players buy in and see the tactics working they will put more effort in.... It is not a conscious lack of effort but anyone in any job, role, activity will be less effective implementing something which they see working poorly,, even if they do not intend to do a half arsed job you are never getting 100 %

If Amorim can get the players on board, get positivity from seeing the tactics working and it will be a snowball effect, we have been on a low ebb so long that the upturn could be rapid and significant

It may be this is still a hang over from ETH's first couple of games, never recovered, a fresh start, something new may be just the thing to break the cycle
 
Desperate to see us get a proper system in place. Infuriates me seeing every other team have a structure in and out of possession, and then seeing us run around like headless chickens.

No wonder we struggle to play out when we have no patterns in place to do so. You could see Chelsea today when their CBs had the ball their team was set in positions, albeit we actually did an okay job of winning the ball back high today. Out of possession we’re generally all over the shop most of the time, whereas you see other teams in regimented positions making themselves hard to break down.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Amad isnt good enough for a side that wants to compete for Premier League titles or Champions Leagues, he wasnt even good enough for Rangers
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But he was good enough for Sunderland. Rangers didn’t even give him a chance. And he did well in a physical league with Sunderland so I’m going of that rather than the Scottish league where he hardly played.
 
I really don't see him coming in and making a difference with these players. I know it's sort of year 0 with the new owners and sporting leadership so it'll take time. I hope I'm proven wrong and that his structure will hit down on the individuals. But this feels like the Moyes to van Gaal to Mourinho situation. Go from style to style creating a mess.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
He is a genius if he can reach top 4 with this bunch of players, even next season. Top 6 this season would be a miracle. ETH might not be a great manager but our poor results are mainly due to our poor players.

Amorim is the right man for the job but he probably needs to sign 4-5 first teamers to make it work and get those signings right. On the other hand, Forest and Bmouth show what can be done without signing big name players. But I don't rate many of our existing players who are overrated by most fans.
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Overrated players all over the squad.
 
The thing I don't understand about United is how few crosses and cutbacks we do. Watching the spurs game where they scored with 2 fantastic crosses was very annoying. Solankes second goal is a prime example of good unselfish forward play, Thru ball to Richarlison who has the angle to shoot but instead of taking a low probability shot he just squares it and they score!

Look at us today as well, our 2 best opportunities came from crosses and cutbacks. Rashford when he volleyed the ball off the bar and then Garnachos dreadful miss from the Bruno cutback. Getting to the byline and crossing it in has worked for all of football history and it's not changed!

We absolutely must start getting into the wide channels and get the ball across the box. If Garnacho could cross it he would be amazing, he has great speed and can get to the line well but he can't really dribble in tight spaces which makes him a perfect wife winger.
 
DJ_21 said:
But he was good enough for Sunderland. Rangers didn’t even give him a chance. And he did well in a physical league with Sunderland so I’m going of that rather than the Scottish league where he hardly played.
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Good enough for Championship Sunderlund - Good enough for United.
 
sglowrider said:
It's like deja vu.

So many of the comments sounded like the same ones pre-arrival of ETH.
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Indeed. Which is why I don't bother watching analyses and guesses on what he will do. I remember exactly the same with Ten Hag - how he is going to set up the team, his tactical nous, who will be brought, etc. All the system deep dives and lore. Just to watch him get trounced and immediately revert to degenerate counterattacking football, but with the hipster term "transition" slapped on. I expect this new guy to do the same once he realises this squad can't play anything else. I thought after this transfer window the squad is decent, but I can see now this isn't the case and it remains a very poor squad. I don't see how this guy does anything to change that.
 
I really wouldn't hang my hat on anyone in this squad, not even the younger ones.
 
You can look at it a few ways. You see managers come into midtable teams often and make their players look so much better than previous managers. You'd expect and hope Amorim can come in and bring a lot more out of this group. With what he's done so far, and the fact that I do think plenty of these players can do better and have plenty of potential.

But on the other hand, I'm not attached to any of them at this point, and if INEOS decide to clear it out, who cares? I'm not 13 anymore, I don't have favourite players, and barely any of them have the history at the club where I think they deserve to stick around.
 
Squad still so far off. We need to ship so many players and most likely dont have a huge budget to buy either. So his best bet is to improve the players which is a huge task
 
Telsim said:
Indeed. Which is why I don't bother watching analyses and guesses on what he will do. I remember exactly the same with Ten Hag - how he is going to set up the team, his tactical nous, who will be brought, etc. All the system deep dives and lore. Just to watch him get trounced and immediately revert to degenerate counterattacking football, but with the hipster term "transition" slapped on. I expect this new guy to do the same once he realises this squad can't play anything else. I thought after this transfer window the squad is decent, but I can see now this isn't the case and it remains a very poor squad. I don't see how this guy does anything to change that.
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We are going to need better players in a lot of positions, but maybe this time we won be hampered by the manager's complete inability to judge talent and push for bad signings. There might be a few surprises in store for us too. Some of the players might respond much better to Amorim's coaching style than they did Ten Hag - it's all up in the air.

It is also unlikely that he will be as demanding about control, given that they have recruited him specifically to fit into their new way of operating.
 
Escobar said:
Squad still so far off. We need to ship so many players and most likely dont have a huge budget to buy either. So his best bet is to improve the players which is a huge task
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We say this every year. Then we go and spend 600M in the span of a few seasons. This myth that Man Utd is broke needs to die. We have one of the highest net-spends in the world.
 
I find it very lazy that people say the players are crap, they cant do x.y.z. We sign played every window, how do they suddenly become bad footballers?

Gerrard had Villa looking the same, Emry took over and that team looked completely different. When you actually coach the players and coach a system, they will look better.

For example, our build up... its so bad, we pass with our CB's then go long lose the ball, Amorin has to get this right, we need to build up better.

Our press, is so bad, we need to improve this, Amorin will no doubt improve this, players need to learn when to jump, when to be compact.
 
Bubz27 said:
Some of you are so incredibly negative. It's tiring to read, it must be tiring to be in that constant state of mind.

We've had the better chances today against a decent Chelsea team. They were only really a threat from 2 set pieces. A Chelsea team that are the second top scorers in the league by the way.

There are of course things to work on, and that's what we're paying Amorim to do. But to suggest this season is a write off, there's no hope with this group, is ridiculous. We've got a serious chance to win our next two games and get some momentum going into the Amorim era.
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Good post
 
The approach of if you don't work hard, adapt, and learn, you're out just needs to be harshly followed. No ifs and buts. None of them deserve a free ticket to play for this club.
 
romufc said:
I find it very lazy that people say the players are crap, they cant do x.y.z. We sign played every window, how do they suddenly become bad footballers?

Gerrard had Villa looking the same, Emry took over and that team looked completely different. When you actually coach the players and coach a system, they will look better.

For example, our build up... its so bad, we pass with our CB's then go long lose the ball, Amorin has to get this right, we need to build up better.

Our press, is so bad, we need to improve this, Amorin will no doubt improve this, players need to learn when to jump, when to be compact.
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The only question would be if you have a group of players who don't want to do the extra effort to learn a new way, but that's really a question of attitude.
 
romufc said:
I find it very lazy that people say the players are crap, they cant do x.y.z. We sign played every window, how do they suddenly become bad footballers?

Gerrard had Villa looking the same, Emry took over and that team looked completely different. When you actually coach the players and coach a system, they will look better.

For example, our build up... its so bad, we pass with our CB's then go long lose the ball, Amorin has to get this right, we need to build up better.

Our press, is so bad, we need to improve this, Amorin will no doubt improve this, players need to learn when to jump, when to be compact.
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It’s odd here lately.

When Ten Hag was here you had a set of posters pointing at what Emery had done as proof Ten Hag should have been doing better with what he had and a sign of poor coaching.

Now Ten Hag has gone we have likely the same posters saying they feel sorry for Amorim and suggesting he won’t make a difference as the squad is awful.

You can’t really win.
 
Kill 'em all said:
The only question would be if you have a group of players who don't want to do the extra effort to learn a new way, but that's really a question of attitude.
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They need to go, I think the club will back their man, players are not going to be given a pass, well at least I hope not anyway.

The like of Rashford, Garnacho who have been so poor, they will struggle in this Amorin system. We can see the lack of effort when we get countered. It is a team game, you have to work hard for each other, alot of our players work for themselves.
 
TheReligion said:
It’s odd here lately.

When Ten Hag was here you had a set of posters pointing at what Emery had done as proof Ten Hag should have been doing better with what he had and a sign of poor coaching.

Now Ten Hag has gone we have likely the same posters saying they feel sorry for Amorim and suggesting he won’t make a difference as the squad is awful.

You can’t really win.
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Exactly. If the players were so bad.. it means Ten Hag wasn't.

The reality is Ten Hag has improved 0 players, we had no set style of play. I have seen players for Brighton and the like who are not the same calibre play good football and defend well.

If you have a style of play, the players will be found out if they are not good enough. At the moment, there is no style or pattern.

I expect Amorin to have an instant impact on this team, if he is as good as people say he is, he should get us playing x10 better in the first 2 months.
 
Silver lining of him coming in “mid season”
Is expectations can be managed. He gets to learn without the crazy pressure. A free hit if you will. Plus all cups are still on the table.

Please lord learn from Eth’s experience and assess every player on merit not rep.

Make sure the players he keeps are the best for his style (that got him hired) not some invented misunderstood idea of what they’ve told you United should play
 
romufc said:
Exactly. If the players were so bad.. it means Ten Hag wasn't.

The reality is Ten Hag has improved 0 players, we had no set style of play. I have seen players for Brighton and the like who are not the same calibre play good football and defend well.

If you have a style of play, the players will be found out if they are not good enough. At the moment, there is no style or pattern.

I expect Amorin to have an instant impact on this team, if he is as good as people say he is, he should get us playing x10 better in the first 2 months.
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When you consider one of Amorims real strengths is his charisma and communication, in contrast to Ten Hag who I feel struggled to get his ideas over and bring everyone on the journey, then you have to surely think that in itself will command an improvement.
 
klayton88 said:
How does he coach this squad to press correctly? Why for three seasons now, if not more, are we so shit at pressing. It's often half arsed lone attempts while everybody else is late to the party, by which time the opportunity has gone. When you watch almost every other team press, it's organised, and timed, and everybody knows what to do. It's like we just POI NT fingers and skip towards the opponent.
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You need some discipline, composure and tactical mindset players from top to bottom which some of our starting XI are not that type...
Also, the front players shall be tracked back when they lose every single ball..
 
klayton88 said:
How does he coach this squad to press correctly? Why for three seasons now, if not more, are we so shit at pressing. It's often half arsed lone attempts while everybody else is late to the party, by which time the opportunity has gone. When you watch almost every other team press, it's organised, and timed, and everybody knows what to do. It's like we just POI NT fingers and skip towards the opponent.
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Just got to hope he's better at implementing it than the previous three managers who tried. I think Rashford is a lost cause though, he thinks pressing is beneath him.
 
VP89 said:
If he's fit then certainly. He'd be a shoe in but the fitness is a big if.
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simonhch said:
Yes. I made a longer post about this the other day. Amorim’s system uses two AMs in quite central positions. Players who are asked to be technical and hardworking, both on and off the ball. If you watch any number of videos breaking down his tactical approach, and Pythagoras in Boots is a good example, then what Amorim looks for in, and asks for from, an AM; is pretty much a punchlist of Mount’s best qualities. I think he is tailor made for the system, and I suspect that he, Bruno and Amad will be the primary three playing those two positions.

This is an appointment that could save Mount’s United career. I don’t see many other managers out there that have a system that naturally calls for both Bruno and Mount in the same team. But Amorim’s does. Fitness permitting, I think Amorim is going to love Mount.
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peridigm said:
Honestly forgot he played for us. I don't think Amorim can count on him enough to be a mainstay. Really weird signing he was.
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FriedClams said:
Playing to their potential, Mount and Amad are tailor made for an Amorim team
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Thanks gents, yeah I really hope he can somehow regain his fitness and contribute to the team - recoup some positives for what has been a truly abysmal signing for all sorts of reasons. Fitness is a big if, for sure. Thanks for that additional info there simon. Kind of looks like it’s possible for Mount to become some sort of key player for Amorim. I’m trying to still hold on to, and find some positives out of this transfer.
 
TheReligion said:
When you consider one of Amorims real strengths is his charisma and communication, in contrast to Ten Hag who I feel struggled to get his ideas over and bring everyone on the journey, then you have to surely think that in itself will command an improvement.
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Yeah that does sound to be the case and that alone, as you say, should bring about an instant improvement.
 
JoaoFM said:
Amorim values a lot possession control, but that his given by the way the team works, more than by one player individually. And the players that individually need the most are the two CM.
The 2 CAM/#10 need an excellent first touch and direct passing, to create space and serve the striker and to be able to use the space the strikers movement will create in the defence. Usually one is more cerebral (Pote in Sporting, maybe Bruno in MU) and the other more able to carry the ball dribling (Trincão in Sporting and maybe Garnacho in MU)
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If he values a lot of posessional control it's hard to see him liking Bruno much. If
 
I think if he has problems with some players then we need to support the head coach all the way. We've seen with our own eyes. They managed to sack Ole and Ten Hag (to a certain extent). No more excuses, if you're bad, you're bad.
 
TheReligion said:
When you consider one of Amorims real strengths is his charisma and communication, in contrast to Ten Hag who I feel struggled to get his ideas over and bring everyone on the journey, then you have to surely think that in itself will command an improvement.
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Exactly, players must also know, they will be gone if the manager doesn't rate them.

This common thing about our players being lazy but its not, its the system designed to fail. There are a few players that fall into that category but I have seen players like Bruno, Hojlund, Amad, ugarte, defence run and try...

Amorin just needs to get us playing as a team rather than individuals.
 
Judas said:
The approach of if you don't work hard, adapt, and learn, you're out just needs to be harshly followed. No ifs and buts. None of them deserve a free ticket to play for this club.
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Sounds great on paper but it's just not possible at United.

Look at the media shitstorm around Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford...in Sancho's case the manager merely stated other players trained better in the week so they were picked, EtH then got abuse from every media outlet for months.

If Amorim starts kicking arse great! but he needs to get it 100% right and win every week, otherwise the media will make his life hell.

Players on 3-5 year contracts and handsomely paid are not that east to just get rid of.
 
1988 said:
I really don't see him coming in and making a difference with these players. I know it's sort of year 0 with the new owners and sporting leadership so it'll take time. I hope I'm proven wrong and that his structure will hit down on the individuals. But this feels like the Moyes to van Gaal to Mourinho situation. Go from style to style creating a mess.
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You say creating a mess but it’s got to stop somewhere and finally decide on a style of play. The buck has to stop somewhere, so now we have clearly decided on one with Amorim, if that’s the route we go down then that’s where the mess stops and we start on a fresh new beginning. This is proven with the “head coach” role, this is where we decide where we want to go.
 
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