I don't see what's hard to follow? You've basically made the same point in a different way. We're coachable, but probably no quick fixes like at other teams due to what they've been coached to do for 2 years. It goes against what most progressive coaches want to play.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I don't see what's hard to follow? You've basically made the same point in a different way. We're coachable, but probably no quick fixes like at other teams due to what they've been coached to do for 2 years. It goes against what most progressive coaches want to play.
Agreed. I’d have Mount and Bruno behind the ST. When mounts not fit have Amad play there.
The decision to not bring him in during the summer is more baffling every day
- Ten Hag was coming off a very poor end to the season in the league
- We wouldn't have had to pay the huge pay off amount
- You would imagine Amorim was gettable if he's willing to join so early into the season
- We could have gone for players in the summer who suited Amorim's style of play
- He would have had time to try and coach the team in that style
He's got a massive clean up job here. ETH left a right mess far worse than any other manager we had after Fergie.
Just fecking bin everyone please.
Yeah, this would be my preference in fitting the current players into Amorim's system. Probably with one of the current wingers out wide as a wingback, with a current fullback (Mazraoui or Dalot) on the other side.
Amad will be playing a lot then. Mount is never fit.
Were you expecting a 3-0 thumping of this Chelsea side?
Wait, I hope none of you expect miracles from this season, it's already dead & buried. Amorim starts to work for the 25/26 season the day his tenure starts and treats it all as a pre-season as we should.
Mount is also terrible
I don't expect anything from these players. Therein lies the problem.
And yet we've seen improvements. People like you will always attack the team. For once, get behind them.
We are in three different cups and top 4 is possible, theres plenty to play for.
The mess he has left is hopefully a badly coached team and nothing else. Obviously time will tell but with the right direction Amorim can build his new team around some talented players.
Basically I’m not worried
What improvements have we seen exactly? They’re not good enough SJR said as much today. They’re shit
No wonder he wants his five assistants, the coaching and training task is huge to get these players to pass and move with fluency and create tap in opportunities and actually take them.
In some aspects, things are far worse now than with any manager pos Fergie.
I don't see one single player that is a must-keep here.
I don't see one single player that is a must-keep here.
For one, we didn't shit the bed after they equalized and defended much better. Less gaps between midfield, defence and attack. Some individuals were woeful, but the overall team performance was miles better than anything ETH did for the last several months.
We had this at the start of the season. The gaps between midfield and attack got better.
Decision to play casemiro with Ugarte will naturally give a bit more solidarity on top, but it doesn't change the fact that most of our attackers are really quite bad.
Excited for how we look once hes settled. Hoping for the best!
That's fair enough, we should be willing to give a reasonable amount of time to turn this around. I just can't help but think decisions in the summer have made it harder for the next guy now. These players seem to be driven into the ground, have been coached to do things most other coaches wouldn't want, some poor looking signings etc. It's just frustrating, but it is what it is. And like I said, maybe there were reasons behind all of these decisions, but the circumstances now are far from ideal.
He's been left in the Rangnick position, trying to rescue a team mid season who are so out of form and lacking confidence. Rangnick isn't a mug, contrary to what some believe, but look how he struggled. I just hope that Amorim is left with something to work with after the break.
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Less gaps? I thought the back 4 and the goalkeeper weren’t bad, but apart from
That I’m scratching my head. Time and time again Chelsea got the ball between the midfield and defense there were gaps everywhere. He has his work cut out is the kindest way to say it. I think the team has loads loads more potential than it’s showing.
Less gaps? I thought the back 4 and the goalkeeper weren’t bad, but apart from
That I’m scratching my head. Time and time again Chelsea got the ball between the midfield and defense there were gaps everywhere. He has his work cut out is the kindest way to say it. I think the team has loads loads more potential than it’s showing.
What has SJR said?
Rangnick failed to do his one job, stabilise the team and it's results. He quickly decidided it was better to insult the team every week in his interviews and conferences than build a togetherness and get them on side after that disastrous start.
We were way better than under ETH, all those times were due to individual error. Not the team shape.
Yes they did (the gaps between defence midfield and attack), and it was reflected by the stats too. We also had far fewer shots on our goal.They never once got better
Also, not seeing it with Ugarte.
Playing 2 DMs will give you more cover than 1. Irrespective of whether Ugarte has hit the ground running or not.
The consistency we have right now is our attackers are piss poor.
Wouldn’t say that’s true. Mourinho left a worse team. A bunch of players with massive egos. We’ve signed some decent players. We’ve just not got a settled system in place yet. There still playing under ETH chaotic tactics.
Well ETH did the exact opposite and that didn’t work out either. He protected all the players. Never criticised in front of the media. The players don’t deserve being protected when they play awful week in week out
His methods might have been wrong, but you could see there was little left in that team when he took over. 45 minutes of decent football against Palace i think, then back to the usual. I think with the best will in the world, when you take over a team with no confidence, issues all over the team, failing in the main competitions, it's going to be harder to get them going again.
Hopefully Amorim can start making inroads and get us playing better football, but some of the things our players do are going to need to be stamped out sharpish. And he's really going to have to work hard building confidence and enjoyment for our attackers, along with a coherent gameplan for creating them chances and situations to do their thing. This attack is so far off, through both previous coaching and ability.
ETH threw them under the bus plenty of times. He was perfectly happy to let them get the shit he should have got. He set them up to fail whereas Rangnick couldn't be arsed.
Rangnick didn't try, he just decided to create more chaos.
Thank you!
Don't worry too much about the defenders individual carachteristics on speed and acceleration. Obviously it's better being fast, but the system and the defensive line will be so coordinated and the positioning (in relation to the space and also to the colleagues) will be so detailed and worked that the structure will work perfectly in a collective way. Coates was far from a fast defender (he was actually quite slow in the first meters running, on the acceleration) and he led the defensive line perfectly. Coverageg and the relationship with space and teammates will help a lot of the defenders to defend more as a team and the system will expose defenders way less to individual duels and 1x1 duels.
Just another point to add to your excitement: this guy started in Sporting in a moment of pure chaos, in a season when we had already had like 2 or 3 coaches before him. He did a few games and ended up in 4th place on the league (which was kind of unavoidable by the moment he started). We were nowhere near our biggest and historical rivals and competitors. The following season, he turned us into portuguese champions. We hadn't been champions in 18 years.
The context has some similar points (in the way United is currently nowhere near its current biggest competitors). He deals well with humble/modest expectations and overperforms. Mainly, I would say you will be very surprised at the first moments, there will be decisions who seem strange/unexpected and that will make you doubt his vision, but after a few months it will be clear it's the right way. Players won't play because of their status, careers, names and experiences - he will find the right players for every function of the system and will make that surprisingly work.
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I think he has which is why he has come in now rather than at the end of season, he now has 6 months to work with and review the squad before the summer window so he can work out what needs to be done to improve the squad.
We'll never challange for League titles or the Champions League if we are reliant on players like Zirkzee, Hojlund, Amad, and Rashford
And to make matters even worse, we're no longer in a position where we can just try to spend our way out of trouble.
Don’t think amad should be included in this list. He’s got better footballing IQ than all 3 of our forwards that started today. Zirkzee should never have been bought, we should have waited and then got the guy from sporting.
Of course he tried, he was supposed to be moving into the consultancy role afterwards. Why would he not try? He was too honest if anything.
But on the flip side we have a young squad and foundation
More chaos? Rangnick observed a rotten club with a toxic culture and numerous problematic players. He warned everyone about this, he was calling people out to try and highlight the issues, but instead received criticism from ignorant fans who couldn't handle the truth