Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

lsd said:
Oh he deserves these questions every single interview he attends. He is the one froze him out and wanted rid after all
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Whatever happens the rest of the season it was absolutely the right decision to get rid of Rashford.
 
I see more posters complaining about fans calling for the sack than I see posters calling for the sack. Am I missing something? Or is all criticism in here immediately interpreted as "people want him sacked"?
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I see more posters complaining about fans calling for the sack than I see posters calling for the sack. Am I missing something? Or is all criticism in here immediately interpreted as "people want him sacked"?
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Nah there's definitely posters the last few pages who do, they mightn't be typing SACK HIM NOW!! in giant letters, but you can tell from their posts that they want him gone already.
 
Paul778 said:
The guys on the athletic podcast have discussed this. In many of the extended parts of press conferences the subject of systems have come up and the discussion has been about the fact that the system is nowhere near as rigid as people like to make out. In various parts of games there have been tweaks made in all areas of the field and Rueben is quite adept at doing this.

Our team lacks strength, stamina and pace but beyond this the biggest thing it lacks is confidence. This has been the case for a long time. When was the last time you felt confident we could easily dispatch a team playing a low block against us? Years. This change has been needed for so long. We cannot get back to the top on counter attacking football - even Ole knew that years ago.

I believe Rueben is the right guy to do it. During periods of play you can see what he's trying to do which is something that was hard to say about ETH. We seem to be getting more solid at the back and Garnacho is starting to look more like a useful player in the system. In the last game we actually saw a lot more players crashing the box, crucial to the system, He has a month now where there are no midweek games so hopefully things can improve further with Dorgu and an actual left foot. Mostly he needs to get Rasmus doing the right things again - he's got into bad habits probably through frustration.

I just really fear he's going to struggle considering the financial burdens he faces. We are likely paying over 1.5m a week on salaries alone for players we cannot sell or who are perpetually injured, so he has next to no ability to generate funds through player sales. Plus the debt plus the remaining fees on already purchased players.
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They both have the same problems: strikers who can't strike being foremost among them. Rashford was good for the occasional goal, Rasmus in Europe as well. ETH had deficiencies in his squad through injuries and players simply proving not good enough, and those deficiencies were addressed through the signings of DeLigt, Yoro, Ugarte, and (sadly) Zirkzee. Zirkzee is a dud, along with Antony and Malacia. Injuries to Shaw and Mount also stymied ETH's plans. Had both of them been fit, we would be transformed. He was given/saddled with the Old Man Ronaldo, Casemiro's ghost, and gave Sancho enough rope. If they had worked out, again, different team.

Cut to: Amorim. Still has the same striker, Rasmus, who's got the yips in front of goal. Rashford is gone. Zirkzee, the nominal reinforcement, is not of the required level. So still no goals coming from the forwards. Amad is saving Amorim's bacon thus far, but ETH was the one who brought him through. Now Licha is toast for the next year if not forever, and Amorim will have to deploy Maguire, DeLigt, and Yoro as a back 3, of which only Maguire seems comfortable playing, although his lack of everything but heading the ball is a serious drawback. We brought in a wingback and Heaven to save our asses. Just like Zirkzee and DeLigt and Ugarte before them.

Yet in this new system, all of the reinforcements of the last few windows are misfits. And we are broke. Ten Hag gets blamed for everything including things outside of his control, but Amorim has apparently been given a get out of jail free card that absolves him of his terrible team selections and in-game tactics. It's one set of rules for ETH and a different set for RA, when in reality they both have been poor, but Amorim has been much worse.
 
DJ_21 said:
I’m sorry but I highly doubt it was your decision Ruben not to sign more players in January. Have they made you come out and say that to defend them?
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A group of senior management, that has made a bunch of unpopular decisions and stood by them, regardless of the feedback from the fans, suddenly decided "Nah, we need to get the manager to take this bullet for us".

I highly doubt it.
 
People need to remember we are in uncharted territory this time. Club appear to be backing Amorim in relation to players he does not want in his squad. This is something no other manager has received the backing for. I feel its going to be a slug to the ned of the season. Pray we do well in Europa and or F.A cup for revenue streams and start the build in the summer. I'm fully behind the manager here. Maybe we'll see more of a togetherness now we know this is the squad until the end of the season a clear message has been sent.
 
Without martinez we could now have 3 centre backs without much technical ability which is a bit grim. Would much rater see a 433 like rhe below but nevermind

Mazraoui, de ligt, yoro, dorgu
Ugarte, mainoo, Bruno
Amad, hojlund, garnacho
 
Matt851 said:
Without martinez we could now have 3 centre backs without much technical ability which is a bit grim. Would much rater see a 433 like rhe below but nevermind

Mazraoui, de ligt, yoro, dorgu
Ugarte, mainoo, Bruno
Amad, hojlund, garnacho
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I think it will take a lot for Amorim to move away from 3421.
 
Matt851 said:
Without martinez we could now have 3 centre backs without much technical ability which is a bit grim. Would much rater see a 433 like rhe below but nevermind

Mazraoui, de ligt, yoro, dorgu
Ugarte, mainoo, Bruno
Amad, hojlund, garnacho
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Would you expect a big difference in performance between that and the same players but in a 3-4-3 (Dorgu LWB, Amad RWB)?

It's hamstrung by Hojlund and the midfield either way.
 
Matt851 said:
Without martinez we could now have 3 centre backs without much technical ability which is a bit grim. Would much rater see a 433 like rhe below but nevermind

Mazraoui, de ligt, yoro, dorgu
Ugarte, mainoo, Bruno
Amad, hojlund, garnacho
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Include Casemiro and Zirkzee then it looks alright; still lacking goalscorers
 
lsd said:
Oh he deserves these questions every single interview he attends. He is the one froze him out and wanted rid after all
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I think Rashford froze himself out mate. If we get 40m for him on that salary, and Amorim is sacked, it will probably be his greatest legacy.

Weird one to focus on complaining about Amorim.
 
sepulturite said:
Nah there's definitely posters the last few pages who do, they mightn't be typing SACK HIM NOW!! in giant letters, but you can tell from their posts that they want him gone already.
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Assuming we fail to win the FA Cup or EL, what league table position would prompt you to call for Amorim out?

11th or lower?
 
JoseM4 said:
Assuming we fail to win the FA Cup or EL, what league table position would prompt you to call for Amorim out?

11th or lower?
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Wouldn't call for it as he deserves a summer window to get in some players who suit his system
 
Gordon'sHill said:
So tell me how attacking can it be, when you have 3 CBs. Even if they are comfortable on the ball they are CBs for a reason, they don't have the mobility or passing skills of a midfielder, nor the positional freedom to drift far upfield. Then the wing backs needs to be as good defensively as they are offensively, or close to it. Garnacho is an attacking player, he couldn't be wing back in Amorim's system. Then you have at least one defensive midfielder, currently Ugarte. So you start with at least 6 out of 10 outfield players with limited to medium attacking skills. Tell me how offensive that is? I remember being at OT under Mourinho when he started 2 defensive midfielders and we lost 2-0 against a relegated team. It was a shambles. Is this really much better?
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Very attacking, you end up with 3 2 5 effectively in attack.

The wing backs must have the athleticism though which we don't and will when we get the right players in.
 
JoseM4 said:
Assuming we fail to win the FA Cup or EL, what league table position would prompt you to call for Amorim out?

11th or lower?
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I wouldn't call for him to be sacked at all this season, he needs to given in to next season and if the same performances are there then we should be talking about it. It's just pure knee jerk, throw your toys out the pram, behaviour to be wanting him sacked while he's still trying to implement his ideas.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
They both have the same problems: strikers who can't strike being foremost among them. Rashford was good for the occasional goal, Rasmus in Europe as well. ETH had deficiencies in his squad through injuries and players simply proving not good enough, and those deficiencies were addressed through the signings of DeLigt, Yoro, Ugarte, and (sadly) Zirkzee. Zirkzee is a dud, along with Antony and Malacia. Injuries to Shaw and Mount also stymied ETH's plans. Had both of them been fit, we would be transformed. He was given/saddled with the Old Man Ronaldo, Casemiro's ghost, and gave Sancho enough rope. If they had worked out, again, different team.

Cut to: Amorim. Still has the same striker, Rasmus, who's got the yips in front of goal. Rashford is gone. Zirkzee, the nominal reinforcement, is not of the required level. So still no goals coming from the forwards. Amad is saving Amorim's bacon thus far, but ETH was the one who brought him through. Now Licha is toast for the next year if not forever, and Amorim will have to deploy Maguire, DeLigt, and Yoro as a back 3, of which only Maguire seems comfortable playing, although his lack of everything but heading the ball is a serious drawback. We brought in a wingback and Heaven to save our asses. Just like Zirkzee and DeLigt and Ugarte before them.

Yet in this new system, all of the reinforcements of the last few windows are misfits. And we are broke. Ten Hag gets blamed for everything including things outside of his control, but Amorim has apparently been given a get out of jail free card that absolves him of his terrible team selections and in-game tactics. It's one set of rules for ETH and a different set for RA, when in reality they both have been poor, but Amorim has been much worse.
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What a load of nonsense. Ten Hag had two and a half years, five transfer windows and £600+ million to implement his system, and it was a spectacular failure, leaving us broke and broken.

Amorim has barely been here three months. Of course they’re judged differently. Thinking the same standard should be applied to completely different scenarios and timeframes is insane.
 
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