Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Pogue Mahone said:
In the same post you’re arguing that we should be beating teams who are in the top 5 on merit and that our squad is so poor they basically all need to be upgraded. Can’t you see the contradiction here?
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Bournemouth and Forrest will not finish in the top 5, yes they are both having incredible seasons but in recent history neither are a top 8 let alone a top 5 side, if they were to qualify for CL or EL they would struggle the following season like. Villa and Newcastle who both have far greater resources currently, United have even greater resources than both these clubs but the way those resources have been abused by the previous and current Ownership and Directors simply beggars belief!

Even this squad if coached correctly should be wining home games at Old Trafford against Forrest and Bournemouth and if the club had an elite number 9 like Osimhen or Gykores I’m pretty sure even with the rest of the squad being distinctly average we have had an additional 6 points. Do you think Madrid, Juventus, inter, Barcelona, Bayern would accept 14th place, they would keep sacking a coach until one got right and started wining games at home at least against modest opposition.
 
Some mad reactions in here

RA was appointed during an international break, had a couple of days training before first game on 24th November. This is his 10th game in a month in 2 days which is a pretty hectic schedule for a new coach to try to implement a new system.

He said we would suffer a bit, this is it. We've been suffering since Fergie retired may as well suffer a bit longer to see if RA works out.
 
dubplate warrior said:
You minimise that by reducing chances conceding, increasing your chance creation and the quality of them, keeping the ball better and being more compact off the ball. We're doing all of those things in my opinion. I just feel that the way we play is exposing the players for what they are.
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Agreed, some players are exposed for what they are, but hopefully Amorim strikes the best balance here, I think he can do it.
 
dubplate warrior said:
You have to rotate. There is no way around this.
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Agreed but you try not to rotate your spine!

Maguire, MDL, Yoro, should be our back three, drop Martinez two wing backs pick themselves as we have no real attacking options right now, we need 2/3 out in January and 2/3 in as bare minimum.
 
madzo2007 said:
Some mad reactions in here

RA was appointed during an international break, had a couple of days training before first game on 24th November. This is his 10th game in a month in 2 days which is a pretty hectic schedule for a new coach to try to implement a new system.

He said we would suffer a bit, this is it. We've been suffering since Fergie retired may as well suffer a bit longer to see if RA works out.
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Suffering after Fergie is 60-74 points or 1.6 to 2.1 points per game in the EPL, even last year ETH was 1.52 points per game.

This Season - 22 points from 17 is 1.29 points per game !
ETH - 11 points from 8 - Av 1.37/Pg
RVN - 4 points from 2 - Av 2pts/Pg
RA - 7 points from 6 - Av 1.16/Pg
My point is we are not better since ETH but worse with a rookie PL coach learning on the job!

I keep saying if Ruben thinks he can manage and smile to his first 10 PL games with 10/11 points , next 4 games are Wolves, Newcastle, Liverpool, Southampton, he’s in for a huge shock, he has no PL experience?
He needs 7-8 points from those 4 games or watch the pressure rise!

The fans will stay and support him but I wasn’t talking about the fans, SJR is the most hot headed knee jerk owner you could work for and he’ll start to be involved again, if things don’t improve quickly, then just like Dan Ashworth, I see the club sacking him and ending up with another interim manager this season because INEOS are in charge, it’s just how embarrassing we’ve been ran as a club this season?
 
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If we’re being completely honest we’ve had 2 morons in charge for the last 6 years who’ve left him with a squad that maybe 90% of it aren’t good enough, whatever mixture of these clowns that play doesn’t really matter, we’re 13th, out of the league cup and have Arsenal away in the FA, I’m someone who wants us to win every trophy and if I’m honest I think I’d rather see us not win the Europa (doubt we’ll win it anyway) so we can miss out on Europe all together and have a full clearout/reset, get rid of as many as possible and try get 4/5 decent players in

The seasons over. Try give the few who are in the plans for the future as much game time as possible to get them used to the system, avoid any more hammerings and I’m happy enough, the only games left that I actually care about is Liverpool and City if I’m honest, I’m already just thinking about next season and I’m just dying to see the back of a lot of them,
 
can see the system and structure on and off the ball....simple issue is that we just don't have the attacking players to fit this system
 
bosskeano said:
can see the system and structure on and off the ball....simple issue is that we just don't have the attacking players to fit this system
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to be fair they weren't starting fires with the previous system.... or the one before
 
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing a living and likely to run out their contracts.
 
Camy89 said:
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing a living and likely to run out their contracts.
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I doubt it, he hasn't taken any of the blame for his other losses
 
The level the team is currently performing at is nowhere near good enough and while it's mostly on our players I don't think Amorim is without blame. It's up to him to find solutions.
 
Camy89 said:
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing a living and likely to run out their contracts.
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Regardless of how poor this squad is, he needs results and performances going into next season. That's not me turning on him, it's just the nature of football at this level. At the moment I can't see much optimism for next season unless he's able to spend a mini fortune like ETH was. We need a maanger who can also get the best out of an average bunch because we're not Real Madrid in the transfer market.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I doubt it, he hasn't taken any of the blame for his other losses
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I’m not saying that he’ll hold his hands up and take the blame, I’m meaning that media outlets and fans will start pointing the fingers at him for the root of all our problems - a completely short sighted look at our issues.
 
Bruno isn’t athletic enough to be a number 10 in this system. The less said about Dalot the better. So we are left with very little attacking options as a result and obviously doesn’t help that Hojlund can’t hold up the ball.
 
Shit Shittier Shittiest
To be blatantly honest, that's the 3 kinds of playing styles I saw under him.

You can put all kinds of blames on players, ETH, management etc but he has been shit too.
 
We saw these type of tepid halves all the time under ETH.

If your players are weak physically and lose every 50-50 ball it desn't matter what formation you're playing. You're going to struggle.
 
We’ve put him in an impossible situation by having him take over mid season. Can’t really blame him here either. He did say he would like to take over end of the season. Maybe we should have listened to him.
 
Shark said:
Regardless of how poor this squad is, he needs results and performances going into next season. That's not me turning on him, it's just the nature of football at this level. At the moment I can't see much optimism for next season unless he's able to spend a mini fortune like ETH was. We need a maanger who can also get the best out of an average bunch because we're not Real Madrid in the transfer market.
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I have a horrible feeling this is what getting the best out of 5 or 6 of these players looks like.
 
Shark said:
Regardless of how poor this squad is, he needs results and performances going into next season. That's not me turning on him, it's just the nature of football at this level. At the moment I can't see much optimism for next season unless he's able to spend a mini fortune like ETH was. We need a maanger who can also get the best out of an average bunch because we're not Real Madrid in the transfer market.
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This season is a free pass in my opinion. A chance to weed out who’s willing to work for his system and who’s not. I suspect significant selling activity in the next couple of windows in order to bring in players more suited to his way of working.
 
Camy89 said:
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing a living and likely to run out their contracts.
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Anyone calling for his head now is a reactionary. How can anyone be expected to work miracles with the shite ETH bought and our 'Star player' throwing his toys out the pram and leaving us with one less attacker.
 
Bojan11 said:
Bruno isn’t athletic enough to be a number 10 in this system. The less said about Dalot the better. So we are left with very little attacking options as a result and obviously doesn’t help that Hojlund can’t hold up the ball.
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It's not working, Fernandes doesn't have a place in this system.

It doesn't matter what Fernandes has done in his time at United he can't play in a pivot and he can't play in a wider 10 attacking position.

I feel that the system is a good system, Conte won the league under similar circumstances but United doesn't have the right profile of players.

If we are being serious United will need to get rid of Rashford, Bruno, Shaw and Martinez with solid replacements to accommodate this system.
 
Redstain said:
It's not working, Fernandes doesn't have a place in this system.

It doesn't matter what Fernandes has done in his time at United he can't play in a pivot and he can't play in a wider 10 attacking position.

I feel that the system is a good system, Conte won the league under similar circumstances but United doesn't have the right profile of players.

If we are being serious United will need to get rid of Rashford, Bruno, Shaw and Martinez with solid replacements to accommodate this system.
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Conte had Hazard as one of his number 10s…
 
He must be made of strong stuff not to despair. Every position looks like an emergency. Where does he start from?
 
The pieces really aren't there. Squad is dreadful.

The wingbacks are supposed to provide the width and create dangerous situations, but Dalot is not at all able to, and Mazraoui doesn't get up there much. Højlund can't keep hold of the ball, Bruno is extremely hit-or-miss, Amad having a bad game, Mainoo constantly giving the ball away.

I fear that if we don't provide two good additions to this squad in January, Amorim will go through this first season with terrible results and then be 'tainted' come the start of next year. For him to actually get results with his system, he needs better players.
 
Bojan11 said:
Bruno isn’t athletic enough to be a number 10 in this system. The less said about Dalot the better. So we are left with very little attacking options as a result and obviously doesn’t help that Hojlund can’t hold up the ball.
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And our central midfielders aren’t particularly good at passing the football forward, either.

Profile wise it’s a tough watch because a lot of these players are just unsuited to this football.

It will be super interesting to see how much activity we get up to in January.
 
Camy89 said:
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing
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Top_Bins said:
Anyone calling for his head now is a reactionary. How can anyone be expected to work miracles with the shite ETH bought and our 'Star player' throwing his toys out the pram and leaving us with one less attacker.
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No one is calling his head. Stop overreacting.

He has been shit too and has to take the blame on lot of things. Ofcourse he is learning and takes some time to understand the league but you don't have to get offended when people say he has been bad.
 
Things can't continue like this surely we're all in agreement? Wolves move to within a few points of us if they win here. The list of teams worse than us in this league is getting short.
 
I know we are back on the "he needs to spend half a billion before we can judge him" wagon, but I rather he improves us & shows us that he needs investing in before we go that route again. Otherwise it's going to be same old shit cycle we have been on the last 12 seasons.
 
Im amorim in all the way hes a breath of fresh air as a manager, but by game 10 we shouldn't look further back in a new system than wolves in game 2 under their manager.
 
It is so funny how he comes in to bring a formation where instantly, he has one hand tied behind his back.

There is a lot of square pegs in round haul because of our recruitment. It does take patience. However, having Dalot and Fernandes in those key positions is just so stupid.
 
Camy89 said:
This season is a free pass in my opinion. A chance to weed out who’s willing to work for his system and who’s not. I suspect significant selling activity in the next couple of windows in order to bring in players more suited to his way of working.
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It's a free pass, I agree, but only to an extent. There still has to be standards to a degree, that we're not losing and drawing almost every game until the end of the season. No club with ambition wants to enter a new season on the back of relegation form.
 
Playing with too many natural defenders, why can't Antony start at rwb. He's asking too much of Amad and Bruno.its too easy to defend against Dalot and Maz.
 
Camy89 said:
What irritates me is that if we lose today, he’ll shoulder the blame from clueless fans and the media. His first PL game in charge was 25 days ago. 25 days. And I’m seeing a portion of the fan base turn on him already.

These players are so far from the standard that United need. We’ve rewarded mediocrity for a decade now and we now find ourselves with these malignant individuals stealing a living and likely to run out their contracts.
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I don't think your players are as mediocre as they're portrayed. They've finished 2nd and 3rd within the last five seasons. I honestly think the problem has always been the coaches, for whatever reason haven't been good enough.

Solskjaer lacked tactical acumen
ETH seemed poor at communication and Talent ID
Amorim is new so can't judge too quick but does this system really maximize this current group?
 
My god the rebuild needed is brutal…

…said for the umpteenth time in the last 6, 7, 8 years.
 
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