Clearly teams get better by simply being better coached. There's absolutely nothing more to that whatsoever. No nuances or anything. Right now our results are bad, which means Amorim is coaching poorly. If only he can start coaching better our results will improve. Simples.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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So you agree with me then. Good. No need for the childish comments.
Really not sure about this guy anymore. Starting to feel like another rinse and repeat.
He’s only been here 2 months ffs and is implementing an entirely new system in one of the busiest times of the season for games. Get a grip ffs
He’s barely coaching at all due to post match recovery and what he is coaching is all at half speed due to that.
Thought the sarcasm was palpable.
Woah, hold you horse's there !
ETH had over 2 years and nothing has improved. Ruben has had a month we can objectively measure the difference in play, possession, shots etc.we have not lost goals due to the system but brain farts by our players.
Let him cook, have a few transfer windows , then judge.
The players form and injury/availability was particularly bad last season.
Something that’s not improved much this season either…which for me explains the position in the table.
The manager (whoever it is) can only do so much. So my expectations for the rest of this season are very low tbh.
Something that’s not improved much this season either…which for me explains the position in the table.
The manager (whoever it is) can only do so much. So my expectations for the rest of this season are very low tbh.
I feel fans also have to take some responsibility. I will give you some examples:
Casemiro- I remember at the time being shut down by United fans when I said he's a pointless buy as has maximum a year in his legs after which he will be on massive wages, half injured and impossible to move on and a better option would be someone younger.
Rashford- for years, uptil last year, fans here seriously debating he is equal to or better than Mbappe. Then fans wonder why his attitude is so arrogant and stinks. When it was obvious to anyone not a United fan, that he simply had a once in years purple patch and since then he's reverted back to his norm.
Amarbaat- was totally average, I remember when his deal was being worked on, his thread resembled as if he is Prime Essien. Any United fan questioning the signing was totally shut down.
These are just some examples.
And United fans aren't the only ones guilty of this, every fan group is. Including Arsenal fans. Anyone questioning sub standard signings is always shut down, the scouting and the transfers team is never under any pressure and continue to make trash signings who then perform at their low level and the same thing is repeated every year.
Amorim needs his team and his signings before judged on but I can feel United will make the same mistake. Sign players suited to a formation noone else uses and then if he is sacked you'll have players who arent suited to the team but noone else wants.
I hope he doesn't modify the style of play to make the players comfortable. Stick to your plan boss.
Should we have any expectations for the performance today? seems like a lot of people are okay with a bad performance and bad result because they rate the players so badly ?
Wow, Sporting sacked Amorim's replacement.
ffs
.Was it even 10 games?
This is a must win game, given the next 2 fixtures
I genuinely think barring Amad we have attackers who belong in teams in the bottom half.
It's why we're funnily enough, in the bottom half. We're actually in most games quite good in the first two thirds of play, which is where your coach can have the biggest impact.
The evidence so far quite clearly shows that we are playing better as a team, we're creating more chances and conceding less clear cut chances against us, no coach can remove brainfarts by the players, which is what has been costing us games recently, that's not poor coaching that's incapable players
Rashford not in squad again apparently. Well done RA for seeing him for the effort he puts in. Bye Marcus.
Again, thought the sarcasm was palpable.
Of course Amorim isn't to blame for our current predicament.
Don't worry. They'll rehire Amorim at the end of the season.
Oh boy, are some already calling Amorim a poor coach? That didn‘t take long.
For me he has shown enough promise already that we should stick with him even if we finish 12th.
For me he has shown enough promise already that we should stick with him even if we finish 12th.
Some mentalists about.
Totally agree
The next manager will have to play in a similar possession based manner if there is an actual plan. RA isn't the only manager to play this formation.
You say that but the goals we concede are usually player mistakes, we need to improve all over by being better coached, which I think Amorim will eventually achieve and the players getting some belief back and cutting out the big mistakes.
I do agree with the forwards we have (incl. Bruno) they all need to improve and work together as a unit instead of individuals.
How much responsibility should the fans take for the poor decisions of United's scouts, player recruitment experts and the money men who negotiate the contracts?
How much blame should fans shoulder for the signing of Mount, who virtually no supporter wanted, especially for that price?
Of course fans (usually) get excited about new signings, but to blame them for transfer mistakes implies they somehow have influence over the decision, which is obviously nonsense.
You can't stop players making individual mistakes through coaching, that's purely an issue of quality.
More confidence I’d say as the same players have performed without them well enough previously.
I'm not sure who has really performed to a high standard in our attack over a season.
Rashford and Bruno? Years ago. Garnacho, Hojlund, Zirkzee have all been poor more often than not.
If results don't improve then probably. Ineos are under pressure to turn the club around I reckon or the Glazers will just sell the whole club.
You are in this point already? This was subject to a lot of discussions when RA was in Sporting CP too. The system evolved, but forget it... You will have 3 CBs as long as RA is the manager. Actually, you will feel the stubborness in more than that.
Mistakes I was talking more about the defenders, Onana & Martinez for example.
Forwards, as I said they have been under whelming for a few years now and either need to start putting in the numbers or being replaced.
Not to mention the hyperbole on that post, anyway. Yeah, this whole forum was definitely going giddy unironically calling Amrabat the new Essien (what?!)
Jesus. Give the man 6 months at least. He’s coming into a mess, at the worst time of year when games are coming thick and fast, with little time for coaching. Give him time.
Hillarious the amount of people saying we should be ditching the new system already. Probably the same ones complaining we had no footballing identity with ETH after 3 years.
The goal is not to stop the errors 100%, but to minimize it somehow, and coaching can help with that, players will need to get used to the style and tactics and work as a unit that even if someone makes a mistake, the team as unit can mitigate it somehow.
A tall ask but it's possible.
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We need to back the coach and stay strong behind him however he must quickly find his best 11 and stop tinkering for tinkering sake, the PL is unforgiven and is stand by he must have a great start as a new coach to the EPL he s has no PL experience, so far he’s 7 points from 6 PL games, if that becomes 12/13 points from 11 to 12 games he’ll be under huge pressure too, especially if we back him with 2 or 3 new players in January, so like Ruben says he has to win games to win Time?
He has said that the rotation is for preventing injuries and not to give playing time / rotate for its own sake. And injuries have been pretty bad under the previous regime because of gross mismanagement. People have no patience, particularly considering where we are coming from. This is not a Moyes taking over a champion team or a LvG taking over a team still full of stars or a Jose taking over a team with Pogba and Ibra. This is a United suffering from 11 years of poor recruitment. This is going to take time.
I will be happy as long as we finish in the top ten and have established a clear identity (we already have) and a progressive style (we have that as well) and dross like Rashford and others have been identified and put up for sale. That is the true road to recovery and not identifying a starting 11 from a group that has been put together quite randomly by previous regimes.
Also, the current schedule prevents playing a settled 11. Ruben has come in at the worst time possible. Let the schedule ease and then there can be a possibility of an eleven that can play in the league every week.
You minimise that by reducing chances conceding, increasing your chance creation and the quality of them, keeping the ball better and being more compact off the ball. We're doing all of those things in my opinion. I just feel that the way we play is exposing the players for what they are.
You have to rotate. There is no way around this.