Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Ollie Derbyshire said:
Haha so by your reasoning, we’re mid table so we stay mid table? How do you think teams get better without spending £100m’s?

Let’s just stay mid table. Ridiculous.
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Clearly teams get better by simply being better coached. There's absolutely nothing more to that whatsoever. No nuances or anything. Right now our results are bad, which means Amorim is coaching poorly. If only he can start coaching better our results will improve. Simples.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Clearly teams get better by simply being better coached. There's absolutely nothing more to that whatsoever. No nuances or anything. Right now our results are bad, which means Amorim is coaching poorly. If only he can start coaching better our results will improve. Simples.
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So you agree with me then. Good. No need for the childish comments.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Clearly teams get better by simply being better coached. There's absolutely nothing more to that whatsoever. No nuances or anything. Right now our results are bad, which means Amorim is coaching poorly. If only he can start coaching better our results will improve. Simples.
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He’s barely coaching at all due to post match recovery and what he is coaching is all at half speed due to that.
 
Eleven-Eighteen said:
Really not sure about this guy anymore. Starting to feel like another rinse and repeat.
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Woah, hold you horse's there !

ETH had over 2 years and nothing has improved. Ruben has had a month we can objectively measure the difference in play, possession, shots etc.we have not lost goals due to the system but brain farts by our players.

Let him cook, have a few transfer windows , then judge.
 
The players form and injury/availability was particularly bad last season.

Something that’s not improved much this season either…which for me explains the position in the table.

The manager (whoever it is) can only do so much. So my expectations for the rest of this season are very low tbh.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
Taken loads of fans over a decade to cop on that the problem has been less so managers, moreso how the club has failed to help managers build a quality squad. I’ve been a broken record since Woodward flew around the world only to get fellaini, when fans were happy to presume it was what Moyes wanted. It clearly wasn’t as Fellaini was available for much cheaper at start of that transfer window , he was bought cause Woodward was a clown. Mata was bought for Woodward , not for Moyes who never played any system that would want a Mata player.

LVG complained , Jose complained , there were hints that United were getting players they could under ETH, no necessarily the ones the club should have been prioritising. Casemiro , looked just like Mata , Di Maria, Sanchez , Ronaldo another big name the club could get but whom wasn’t necessarily part of any longer term plan and ultimately left managers struggling to get the most out of them.

That’s been United since Ferguson left. New managers , money spent badly and for some reason fans happy to apportion blame of consistent bad spending on managers. Weird that absolutely no other half decent club suffers the same fate.

If this is the club finally taking responsibility for its own dysfunction, then I’m all for it. A disasterous season to properly purge all the poison and rotten culture, bring it on. But I’d worry a lot of fans still don’t fully get the Job on Ruben’s hands. In some way, it would of been better having an interim manager (ala Ragnick) to take all the flack while he try’s to really weed out the issues.

In some ways , this is a very familiar situation. United hiring a manager for a squad that really doesn’t suit what they want to do. So that doesn’t fill me with joy joy feelings. I don’t think this is a lower half of table squad because even injury ravaged it got 8th last season but I understand if Ruben’s gonna fanny about things may get worse.

The problem was not ETH anymore then it was LVG or Jose, the clubs just been a steaming pile of sh*t, throwing bad money to paper over fundamentally dysfunctional football infrastructure that’s consistently flopped.. The clubs been setup to fail and hopefully this is a proper reset .
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I feel fans also have to take some responsibility. I will give you some examples:

Casemiro- I remember at the time being shut down by United fans when I said he's a pointless buy as has maximum a year in his legs after which he will be on massive wages, half injured and impossible to move on and a better option would be someone younger.
Rashford- for years, uptil last year, fans here seriously debating he is equal to or better than Mbappe. Then fans wonder why his attitude is so arrogant and stinks. When it was obvious to anyone not a United fan, that he simply had a once in years purple patch and since then he's reverted back to his norm.
Amarbaat- was totally average, I remember when his deal was being worked on, his thread resembled as if he is Prime Essien. Any United fan questioning the signing was totally shut down.

These are just some examples.

And United fans aren't the only ones guilty of this, every fan group is. Including Arsenal fans. Anyone questioning sub standard signings is always shut down, the scouting and the transfers team is never under any pressure and continue to make trash signings who then perform at their low level and the same thing is repeated every year.

Amorim needs his team and his signings before judged on but I can feel United will make the same mistake. Sign players suited to a formation noone else uses and then if he is sacked you'll have players who arent suited to the team but noone else wants.
 
I hope he doesn't modify the style of play to make the players comfortable. Stick to your plan boss.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
By being better coached than we are now and actually working hard. Not that complicated.
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I genuinely think barring Amad we have attackers who belong in teams in the bottom half.

It's why we're funnily enough, in the bottom half. We're actually in most games quite good in the first two thirds of play, which is where your coach can have the biggest impact.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Clearly teams get better by simply being better coached. There's absolutely nothing more to that whatsoever. No nuances or anything. Right now our results are bad, which means Amorim is coaching poorly. If only he can start coaching better our results will improve. Simples.
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The evidence so far quite clearly shows that we are playing better as a team, we're creating more chances and conceding less clear cut chances against us, no coach can remove brainfarts by the players, which is what has been costing us games recently, that's not poor coaching that's incapable players
 
Red in STL said:
The evidence so far quite clearly shows that we are playing better as a team, we're creating more chances and conceding less clear cut chances against us, no coach can remove brainfarts by the players, which is what has been costing us games recently, that's not poor coaching that's incapable players
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Again, thought the sarcasm was palpable.

Of course Amorim isn't to blame for our current predicament.
 
Oh boy, are some already calling Amorim a poor coach? That didn‘t take long.

For me he has shown enough promise already that we should stick with him even if we finish 12th.
 
ArtetasHair said:
I feel fans also have to take some responsibility. I will give you some examples:

Casemiro- I remember at the time being shut down by United fans when I said he's a pointless buy as has maximum a year in his legs after which he will be on massive wages, half injured and impossible to move on and a better option would be someone younger.
Rashford- for years, uptil last year, fans here seriously debating he is equal to or better than Mbappe. Then fans wonder why his attitude is so arrogant and stinks. When it was obvious to anyone not a United fan, that he simply had a once in years purple patch and since then he's reverted back to his norm.
Amarbaat- was totally average, I remember when his deal was being worked on, his thread resembled as if he is Prime Essien. Any United fan questioning the signing was totally shut down.

These are just some examples.

And United fans aren't the only ones guilty of this, every fan group is. Including Arsenal fans. Anyone questioning sub standard signings is always shut down, the scouting and the transfers team is never under any pressure and continue to make trash signings who then perform at their low level and the same thing is repeated every year.

Amorim needs his team and his signings before judged on but I can feel United will make the same mistake. Sign players suited to a formation noone else uses and then if he is sacked you'll have players who arent suited to the team but noone else wants.
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The next manager will have to play in a similar possession based manner if there is an actual plan. RA isn't the only manager to play this formation.
 
dubplate warrior said:
I genuinely think barring Amad we have attackers who belong in teams in the bottom half.

It's why we're funnily enough, in the bottom half. We're actually in most games quite good in the first two thirds of play, which is where your coach can have the biggest impact.
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You say that but the goals we concede are usually player mistakes, we need to improve all over by being better coached, which I think Amorim will eventually achieve and the players getting some belief back and cutting out the big mistakes.

I do agree with the forwards we have (incl. Bruno) they all need to improve and work together as a unit instead of individuals.
 
ArtetasHair said:
I feel fans also have to take some responsibility. I will give you some examples:

Casemiro- I remember at the time being shut down by United fans when I said he's a pointless buy as has maximum a year in his legs after which he will be on massive wages, half injured and impossible to move on and a better option would be someone younger.
Rashford- for years, uptil last year, fans here seriously debating he is equal to or better than Mbappe. Then fans wonder why his attitude is so arrogant and stinks. When it was obvious to anyone not a United fan, that he simply had a once in years purple patch and since then he's reverted back to his norm.
Amarbaat- was totally average, I remember when his deal was being worked on, his thread resembled as if he is Prime Essien. Any United fan questioning the signing was totally shut down.

These are just some examples.

And United fans aren't the only ones guilty of this, every fan group is. Including Arsenal fans. Anyone questioning sub standard signings is always shut down, the scouting and the transfers team is never under any pressure and continue to make trash signings who then perform at their low level and the same thing is repeated every year.

Amorim needs his team and his signings before judged on but I can feel United will make the same mistake. Sign players suited to a formation noone else uses and then if he is sacked you'll have players who arent suited to the team but noone else wants.
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How much responsibility should the fans take for the poor decisions of United's scouts, player recruitment experts and the money men who negotiate the contracts?
How much blame should fans shoulder for the signing of Mount, who virtually no supporter wanted, especially for that price?

Of course fans (usually) get excited about new signings, but to blame them for transfer mistakes implies they somehow have influence over the decision, which is obviously nonsense.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
You say that but the goals we concede are usually player mistakes, we need to improve all over by being better coached, which I think Amorim will eventually achieve and the players getting some belief back and cutting out the big mistakes.

I do agree with the forwards we have (incl. Bruno) they all need to improve and work together as a unit instead of individuals.
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You can't stop players making individual mistakes through coaching, that's purely an issue of quality.
 
Bobski said:
I am not saying it is what is happening, but stubbornly sticking to a system that isn't working is not a virtue. That is one of the many things that killed faith in Ten Hag, from the moment he brought Sabitzer in he stuck with an unworkable midfield set up for about 70 games in a row, leading to some of the most structurally inept football a major club has ever played.

Adaptability is a good thing, every manager and coach needs that quality.
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You are in this point already? This was subject to a lot of discussions when RA was in Sporting CP too. The system evolved, but forget it... You will have 3 CBs as long as RA is the manager. Actually, you will feel the stubborness in more than that.
 
dubplate warrior said:
I'm not sure who has really performed to a high standard in our attack over a season.

Rashford and Bruno? Years ago. Garnacho, Hojlund, Zirkzee have all been poor more often than not.
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Mistakes I was talking more about the defenders, Onana & Martinez for example.

Forwards, as I said they have been under whelming for a few years now and either need to start putting in the numbers or being replaced.
 
Jippy said:
How much responsibility should the fans take for the poor decisions of United's scouts, player recruitment experts and the money men who negotiate the contracts?
How much blame should fans shoulder for the signing of Mount, who virtually no supporter wanted, especially for that price?

Of course fans (usually) get excited about new signings, but to blame them for transfer mistakes implies they somehow have influence over the decision, which is obviously nonsense.
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Not to mention the hyperbole on that post, anyway. Yeah, this whole forum was definitely going giddy unironically calling Amrabat the new Essien (what?!)
 
Hillarious the amount of people saying we should be ditching the new system already. Probably the same ones complaining we had no footballing identity with ETH after 3 years.
 
dubplate warrior said:
You can't stop players making individual mistakes through coaching, that's purely an issue of quality.
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The goal is not to stop the errors 100%, but to minimize it somehow, and coaching can help with that, players will need to get used to the style and tactics and work as a unit that even if someone makes a mistake, the team as unit can mitigate it somehow.

A tall ask but it's possible.
 
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stepic said:
Hillarious the amount of people saying we should be ditching the new system already. Probably the same ones complaining we had no footballing identity with ETH after 3 years.
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We need to back the coach and stay strong behind him however he must quickly find his best 11 and stop tinkering for tinkering sake, the PL is unforgiven and is stand by he must have a great start as a new coach to the EPL he s has no PL experience, so far he’s 7 points from 6 PL games, if that becomes 12/13 points from 11 to 12 games he’ll be under huge pressure too, especially if we back him with 2 or 3 new players in January, so like Ruben says he has to win games to win Time?
 
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