That’s obvious, surely? When a player has been out for a long time injured they rarely play a full 90 on their first one or two games back. This is even more important when they’re not getting a full week’s rest between games.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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That’s obvious, surely? When a player has been out for a long time injured they rarely play a full 90 on their first one or two games back. This is even more important when they’re not getting a full week’s rest between games.
It's even more obvious than that. We use a back 3(not a back 5 or 4), CBs have way more space to cover. If trackers suggest that your CB is close to the red, you better be careful because two things are likely to happen, a defensive collapse or injuries. You don't manage a back 4 and a back 3 similarly.
Our press under ETH, particularly last season, tended to be all or nothing. We threw enough players up the field that we either won the ball back or we got played through easily as the opposition took advantage of the huge space it left behind. The latter happened far more often, but the former happened enough that we would rank highly in that stat (as the season wore on we did drop down quite a lot though and were nowhere near the actual top).
I usually don't pay any attention to what the managers say cuz it's mostly diplomatic stuff understandably. And I was impressed by ETH initially too. So I have to be wary of the same thing but I really like how Amorim speaks. Again maybe honeymoon phase.
This phase is anything but honeymoon. We’ve been dire this past month. He is speaking sense and the truth both of which ten Hag never did. There is nothing diplomatic about what Amorim is saying.
A manager should be expected to raise the level of the current squad.
It does not mean Amorim should be expected to win the league but if he can’t improve the squad he shouldn’t have been hired.
Still just can't let go can you....
Both can be trueInteresting, thought it was to make possible every player has enough training sessions with the new system
I think those in The Caf that are already turning on Amorim either aren’t watching the matches or aren’t as dialed in or attuned to the tactics.
What I am seeing that I did not from Ten Hag:
1. Playing through the high press. Other than the mistakes from Onana, we are much much better breaking the high press. Players know exactly where to go and what position to be in. It’s much less helter shelter with fewer long balls.
2. Build up play is more organized. Yes, there is a lot of passing from CB to CB, but a lot more break the lines passing and the 10s occupying the half spaces to offer options. Ten Hag’s response to build up was typically a long pass to an out-of-position Dalot or a quick, all-or-nothing through ball into the channel.
3. Patterns of play in the attacking 3rd. We have much better patterns of play when attacking. A lot of cutbacks to the penalty spot after attacking the by-line. Nifty one twos to feet and close play in the box. Obviously, we need to finish these chances.
4. Much better defensive structure. There in no doubt about positioning in open play defensively. It’s basically a lot of 5-4-1 with a crowd of tallish CBs in the center of the box. Set pieces are still a problem, but hopefully we can reduce the issues there.
5. Possession. We have the ball a lot more. And we lack a polished, ball dominant midfield and have some risk takers (Bruno) who tend to be less metronome-like and more risky with their passing.
6. High press is simultaneously better organized and lethal, yet less risky. The indecision of when to press and when not to press of the Ten hag era is gone. So are the massive gaps caused by the system. Ten Hag’s “retreat” mantra after losing possession is gone. We counterpress more effectively and the CBs are encouraged to to step to challenge in the half spaces.
The results haven’t been great. But Bournemouth is a hard to beat team, same with Forest. Also, we have yet to put together a full 90 minutes of an Amorim style performance. I’m optimistic the results will start to turn positive.
Not at CB though. I can understand basically any other position on the pitch, but CBs shouldn't be tired. Plus, from experience, being bought on as a sub as a CB (or moved their from midfield mid-game) is horrendous. It takes 15/20 mins to get comfortable and up with the speed of the game. Personally believe you should do everything you can to stick with the CBs you started with, on the side they started.
I really really enjoy listening to this Bloke, his point of view and how he puts his opinion across. He’s incredibly engaging. I just hope the players feel the same.
I had to check this post to make sure he didn't alter it in his reply.
Marcus Rashford exiled at Man United over standards - Ruben Amorim
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...ford-exiled-man-united-standards-ruben-amorimIn reading the article...the writer certainly took some liberties with the title....
Clear to me that the club (and Amorim) want to get rid of him because he isn't worth what he's being paid.
Bring in a midfielder that can cross the ball and contribute in more meaningful ways, especially in our pressing.
Agreed. I only care about performances on the pitch, everything else is a distraction.
We need to show gradual improvement otherwise I start to lose confidence in the manager.
With Amorim, it’s still too early to draw conclusions.
I don't think he needs short-term results to buy him more time. I expect he'll have a minimum of 18 months to show what he can do. He'll need results to buy him time beyond that, but not before.
To your other point, I actually don't think it is very likely that we finish higher than 8th this season. Our 8th place finish last season was an aberration - by most metrics United were not the 8th best side in the Premier League, but rather had a mid-table attack and a relegation level defence. We were lucky not to finish closer to 12th/13th. I said in the summer that I could forsee United's performances improving this season but the club finishing lower than 8th and I still think that is a likely outcome.
I do agree that 4th place will probably be the target for next season. Whether that is realistic or not will depend on how well United buy next summer.
I disagree, it’s yet anther clear and obvious get out for Rashford. Look at the context against everything else he said positive, this isn’t an attack and it just feels like you’re grasping for a stick to beat Amorim with here. He’s handled it fine. I personally would have had worse to say if I was in his position, I almost feel like he’s been too generous if anything. But I get that a) he may still need him as he is a United player, and b) we need to try to retain value.
Rahsford didnt even bother to run. In sports where you are required to do it all the time.
Disagree. If i employ people and a person with credibility told me my employees are screwing with my head and jeopardizing my future then I'd try to analyze the situation and make a decision. It is clear some people have taken advantage of Rashford's good nature to make money (books, unecessary publicity, etc.) and have caused more pressure to himself as a result. His PR team for one, is annoying as feck. Imagine a situation where if your PR team said nothing it would have been better for you. Well that happened multiple times with Rashford. He just needs to be his old self and disregards noises around him.
Its just weird how a humble kid who spoke so politely in interviews back in 2016, who clearly loved football, has turned into this drama stirring person who hasnt put in enough effort for his club. Of course the environment and people around him have affected him. There is no other explanation. Pogba was another case, he let his agent spoke too much controversial stuffs. Look at where is he now...
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I like Ruben Amorim. He appears humble and honest. There is also a clear improvment in our football. Individual mistakes aside, which is costing us. The football is better to watch.
We could debate whether we have the personal for his tactics, but there are clear signs of improvment under him.
Once we get the recruitment right for this new style. I can see us being a challanger again.
We could debate whether we have the personal for his tactics, but there are clear signs of improvment under him.
Once we get the recruitment right for this new style. I can see us being a challanger again.