Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Dannn411 said:
What? We were much worse.
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I don't think we have won against Born
#07 said:
Not only that, play our strongest team and we're in a semi final. Considering that we are not likely to have a strong league campaign, doing well in the cups is the only thing making this season worth anything.

We rotated, lost and now...

Subbing Ugarte can be viewed as brave or idiotic depending on your perspective.
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UGARTE was on a yellow
 
We’re so crap in front of goal, if we can put the ball in the net we wouldn’t be on the end of these crap results.

Goodness sake lads just finish your dinner! It means we will find ourselves conceding less too.
 
Next three PL games Wolves (A), Newcastle (H) and Liverpool (A) are not looking too kind.

He needs to win at least two otherwise he'll be feeling the heat I'd imagine.
 
Always darkest before dawn...or something like that.I definitely see big improvements all across the pitch but losing 3-0 to Bournemouth at OT is a sobering experience
 
Amorim was partly at fault this game. Picking 2 defensive WBs and shunting Mazraoui to CB when he is much better at RWB and we have Yoro was criminal. Because the team is already struggling to score goals. And starting Zirkzee was another mistake.

However, it's ridiculous to say all this is on him. This Bournemouth team has had a strong winning run, losing only to Chelsea and Liverpool and that too with some fight. Iraola figured out how to beat us - his team pressed the heck out of us OOP, not allowing us to build up well and that is our kryptonite. Amorim would obviously like us to keep the ball but our players wilt under the slightest pressure. Iraola knew this very well from what I am seeing.

The setpiece defending has been a long standing problem and I don't think Amorim's assistant is enough. We need a proper specialist coach for this. And better players obviously, because some of the defending is worse than League Two football.

For those saying Ruud did better, he played a horrendous Leicester side twice. Amorim has had a very tough schedule, facing Arsenal, City, Spurs, Bournemouth and more big teams to come. Parachuted midseason into a shit team. Who was expecting a bounce now?

And let's speak of the options. Bruno has declined massively but who can replace him? Eriksen is too slow and Mount is injured. Hojlund can only score in the Europa. Garnacho is also useless. Really, Amorim's hands are tied here.

Even in this game, Bruno had 3 chances and Garnacho had 1 golden chance which any other player in a top team would have scored.

I blame Amorim partly for today's loss but overall, I will give him this halfseason without judgment. He should atleast try to win the Europa though. And next season, I will judge him from Game 1 when he has atleast better WBs.
 
Yes, he needs to sort out the defensive set up first.

I think Shaw in place of Lisandro would help, you just can't hide his physical limitations in this set up.
 
1988 said:
I'm all for Amorim and do believe he can potentially be the right guy. But I'm starting to think it wouldn't have been a bad idea letting Ruud finish the season. There's a chance Amorim will get too tainted this season and there won't be any belief in his project left. We need a MASSIVE rebuild but do we have the money for it? Can we rebuild fast enough?
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I thought that before but changed my mind in thinking this was the right move. The players can't do the usual play like prime Brazil in pre-season fooling him thinking they're actually decent. Here he sees their strengths and weaknesses early and can plan much better
 
First time I will really criticize him. Starting Zirkzee over Højlund was the wrong call, and taking off Ugarte was really premature (unless fitness related). Not surprisingly we conceded twice after that sub. I’d have taken off Mainoo who I thought was shocking.
 
#07 said:
Not only that, play our strongest team and we're in a semi final. Considering that we are not likely to have a strong league campaign, doing well in the cups is the only thing making this season worth anything.

We rotated, lost and now...

Subbing Ugarte can be viewed as brave or idiotic depending on your perspective.
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When the subs were being readied I was hoping he'd leave Ugarte on.
 
I’m 100% behind him, but he needs to have a serious word with the set-piece coach and he can’t start Zirzkee again. That being said, this squad is shit and a full clear out is needed.
 
Paying the price of not sacking ten hag in the summer and buying more crap to build on top of the crap he brough to the club suit him in the summer

Out of LVG,Moyes Mourinho, Ole, Ten hag easily assembled the most expensive overpriced and most useless team I've ever seen in my life as a United supporter
 
Said it before that I'm not happy losing and not picking the best team every game but I get the method to his madness even if he's riding a extremely thin line. However, he deserves criticism for being too bold and naive. Taking off Ugarte and leaving on a Mainoo and Bruno midfield combination is bonkers. I hope he learns quick and becomes more ruthless. Rashford out of the squad, good, great even but he needs to hold players like Bruno accountable.

There is a marked improvement in our football..in between the boxes. In our one, it's been poor especially set pieces where our approach and marking has just fell to piecex. Inside the opposition box, we're creating chances but let down by rashness and inexperience i.e something I won't attribute to Amorim.
 
maximus419 said:
For all the people saying he was successful before, yeh, in the Portuguese league. Many teams in that division would struggle to get results in the championship. If Amorim had proven himself with a few clubs, maybe a different league, people would have some justification in defending him. But, as far as we know, just like ETH, maybe he was just lucky to have had a good squad available and things clicked leading to some success. It's an altogether different challenge in the PL, one he might not be good enough to adjust to.

Some managers only ever work out at smaller clubs, plenty examples of this, Emery for example, couldn't handle pressure and demands at Arsenal, but at Villa, who are never really competing for the league, he's found his level and having a bit of success.
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Or we could, I don't know, have some patience and wait for him to settle down and have the time to work with the team before throwing maybes and speculating about his level ?
 
No idea where we go from here. That was a devastating defeat. I can't take another season of defeat after defeat.
 
Honestly I hope this is giving clarity on how shit we’ve been at overpaying for garbage and we cut losses and allow him to bring in his style of players.

We are creating far more under him and with the right players it’s going to be amazing. People knee jerking wanting results when we’ve been shit for years needs to stop.
 
Taking Ugarte off was the first big mistake he's made as a manager. Went too attacking with too much time to play, I could understand if it was the 80th min. The rest is not on him. I see the need for rotation as we know our fitness levels are shit. And our squad is too poor anyway.
 
I have faith, but I feel that he needs to find his best team and stick to it for a while, just to create some consistency in performance. The rotation is excessive, even within the starting players, is Bruno a 10 or an 8? is Amad a WB or a 10?
 
Enough of the rotation. By now, he should know that Malacia is shite and Zirkzee is a headless chicken. Can't hold up play at all.
 
3 goals from individual mistakes.
20+ shots but terrible finishing.

It's the Arteta situation at Arsenal. Great manager with shit squad. Get him decent squad and Amorim is challenging for the title.
 
Sandikan said:
I'm not sure you could ever call a 3-0 home defeat by Bournemouth very promising.
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I did! The fact that we constantly create chances is something I've not seen us do in over a decade.

The things that need ironing out are individual errors. We conceded two due to them again, and missed a load of great chances again. The formation is looking like a great platform to build from. We just need to right players now because this squad is bad.
 
CasaStreets said:
The entire point you’re making is moot. You can’t play the same 11 for 90 minutes twice a week.
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Okay coaching genius. The result is two losses and 7 goals conceded. Hope you're satisfied with that. Onward with the rotation. Needs a few more hammerings to know the best 11 players to pick.
 
The Serpent said:
Paying the price of not sacking ten hag in the summer and buying more crap to build on top of the crap he brough to the club suit him in the summer

Out of LVG,Moyes Mourinho, Ole, Ten hag easily assembled the most expensive overpriced and most useless team I've ever seen in my life as a United supporter
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Everyone on the internet knows we were daft not making the change in the summer.
Get a few players the new manager can work with and actually have some time to train them.

Rather than bring him in right in the maddest congested time of the season where you play games or are resting.
 
It might be a good idea to exit the cup competitions and just concentrate on the league.

I don't think our squad is good enough to play so many games.
 
maximus419 said:
For all the people saying he was successful before, yeh, in the Portuguese league. Many teams in that division would struggle to get results in the championship. If Amorim had proven himself with a few clubs, maybe a different league, people would have some justification in defending him. But, as far as we know, just like ETH, maybe he was just lucky to have had a good squad available and things clicked leading to some success. It's an altogether different challenge in the PL, one he might not be good enough to adjust to.

Some managers only ever work out at smaller clubs, plenty examples of this, Emery for example, couldn't handle pressure and demands at Arsenal, but at Villa, who are never really competing for the league, he's found his level and having a bit of success.
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Amorim built that squad and continuously replaced their big players with good success. So he knows what type of players he wants. He didn't choose/sign a single player in this squad
 
Let's give Amorim 200 million each year for the next 3 years. He needs to replace every player except Yoro, Amad and Ugarte. I wouldn't keep anyone beyond these 3. Playing 2 homes against teams that we should be winning yet we fail so badly. Football god is punishing United for mismanagement of a football club from poor ownership, poor scouting, misusing of transfer funds, overvaluation of own academy players, appointment for wrong managers.
 
Don't even think we have the money to back him properly anymore.

Unless Sir Jim and friends inject a serious amount of money into the club.

Either that or we're going to have to borrow more.
 
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