Finish our stuff and stop gifting goals, yeah
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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There were literally posts saying he was a mistake to bring in just 30 minutes ago. I'd say that's "turning on him"
We just have shit players. ETH's appointment is clearly one of the worst things we did. Most of the shite is from his purchases and it will take years to get this right.
To be fair that's not what that poster is referring too, there was a crap load of posters in the match thread calling for him to go already
Bruno should have put one away.
So you’re just acknowledging your take is a two-game knee-jerk? Thanks, appreciate the confirmation.
Six games in the PL so far: 2 wins, 1 draw and three loses. 9 scored, 10 conceded.
Ruben needs find a way to win some games otherwise the pressure would mount and people will start asking questions. On top of that the performance today was pathetic. Nothing came right today. I know it's going to be a Topsy-turvy ride this season in terms of results but we cannot look second best at everything at a home fixture. We need to do better.
Ruben needs find a way to win some games otherwise the pressure would mount and people will start asking questions. On top of that the performance today was pathetic. Nothing came right today. I know it's going to be a Topsy-turvy ride this season in terms of results but we cannot look second best at everything at a home fixture. We need to do better.
I don't think anybody is Amorim out. Fans can offer criticism on some of his his selections today in a game we lost 0-3 at home, without writing him off, otherwise there's literally no point in having a discussion forum.
Agree it needs to work in practice but I think this gives us the best chance. Also it may not just be a case of us wanting to get rid of players, some could say they don't like this system/want to go elsewhere and help speed things along. We historically have been quite poor at buying and panic near the end of the window but have to again trust/hope they can plan early now and get deals done by pre season, not after
Are you the kind of person to invest in something and then get raging that you’re not a millionaire by the end of the week?
I’m sure we have the most impatient fan base.
Not much more he can do with this crop. Outperforming every team in the underlyings but lacking that cutting edge currently. No need to go overboard. Accept the season is over and it’ll feel easier.
Oh but the xg...the xg
we won on stats!
Playing every game under Ruud home to leicester probably helped in fairness!
Welp. Results like today is when he will be tested. Will he stick to his principles of playing 3 at the back or will he adjust because of the mounting pressure? ETH had to adjust his system in his first year because of results so will be interesting to see what Amorim will do.
We are no better defensively playing 3 at the back and it made our already shit attack even worse. ETH finished 8th with more or less the same squad while dealing with a mountain of injuries so if Amorim is any better he should be getting us to 5-6th at the very least. For that to happen, results need to improve and fast. I understand away games but we can't be losing home games to Forest and Bournemouth.
We are no better defensively playing 3 at the back and it made our already shit attack even worse. ETH finished 8th with more or less the same squad while dealing with a mountain of injuries so if Amorim is any better he should be getting us to 5-6th at the very least. For that to happen, results need to improve and fast. I understand away games but we can't be losing home games to Forest and Bournemouth.
The previous regime and manager will haunt us for years to come. I don't understand people on here becoming impatient with Amorim after couple if weeks if you see what he's got to work with.
I have a feeling we’ll experience something new under Amorim: he’ll look at the state of the squad and club, and choose to step down if he isn’t backed in the summer.
There are multiple Amorim out posts in this thread. Criticism is fine and warranted, but people who want him out - that have such a remarkably limited attention span/patience - are not worth listening to.
xG is a bullshit stat. No one who watched the game can come and say that we didn't deserve to lose it convincingly.
Every time I see you post it’s just utter garbage. How are you so bad.
Yep, as I said, clueless. If you seriously think we were better under Ruud then you're not only clueless about this situation but football in general it appears.
He is not going to be blameless, but I think now it has become clear the players are the problem. Amorim probably wishes he has stayed with Sporting, won the league again, and could have landed a top job down the road, maybe even Man City. Or, that the hierarchy at United listened to him and he had come to the club at the end of the season.
Manager after manager and it is the same story. I remember when Klopp first went to Liverpool and we mocked his galvanizing of the squad with strange stunts. The classic new manager bounce happens when you have desire and effort. That Liverpool team was low on quality but high on effort. It took time and a hard path, but you could see that the players were willing to play for Klopp from the start. United's current team simply do not have the effort/desire and are dubious on the quality too.
They are just not willing to put in the extra running. Most fans would take the team simply looking arsed to be there. There are players there who downed tools on Ole, Tan Hag, and now with Amorim. Those players, whether it is one of ten of them are obviously impacting the dressing room and development of other players. It cannot be that every player and manager becomes shit unless there is something culturally wrong. It also cannot be that managers with a clear identity cannot impart that onto the squad when every other team in the league, even the shit ones, have a defined way of playing. The only explanation is the players are just not willing to listen to instructions. The only thing I can't figure out is why.
Manager after manager and it is the same story. I remember when Klopp first went to Liverpool and we mocked his galvanizing of the squad with strange stunts. The classic new manager bounce happens when you have desire and effort. That Liverpool team was low on quality but high on effort. It took time and a hard path, but you could see that the players were willing to play for Klopp from the start. United's current team simply do not have the effort/desire and are dubious on the quality too.
They are just not willing to put in the extra running. Most fans would take the team simply looking arsed to be there. There are players there who downed tools on Ole, Tan Hag, and now with Amorim. Those players, whether it is one of ten of them are obviously impacting the dressing room and development of other players. It cannot be that every player and manager becomes shit unless there is something culturally wrong. It also cannot be that managers with a clear identity cannot impart that onto the squad when every other team in the league, even the shit ones, have a defined way of playing. The only explanation is the players are just not willing to listen to instructions. The only thing I can't figure out is why.
He needs to stop tinkwring now for a few games.
Get defensive setup and players comfortable in their positions.
Get defensive setup and players comfortable in their positions.
If only we could play Leicester, every week. All our problems would go away!
Leicester were actually able to beat Bournemouth though
Still better than the shit Ten Hag was serving up for 2 full seasons.
It really drives me mad that in 2024 people still can't understand this. Because it was the same way with Ten Hag except reversed, we'd win some chaotic game under Ten Hag while getting battered at our own end and people would talk about us "getting on track".
Our two best final third threats were awful in front of goal today and we have 0 quality behind them to pick up the slack. Add that with the endless set piece leakage and a stupid pen and you get a result that looks far worse than the game was.
He better hope Ratcliffe doesn't change his managers as quickly as he does his back room staff.
Poor blokes inherited the worst squad since the early 80's. That said this rotation thing has to stop, he surely sees now certain players just aren't up to it.
Poor blokes inherited the worst squad since the early 80's. That said this rotation thing has to stop, he surely sees now certain players just aren't up to it.
It appears our players have completely reverted back to their usual selves by forcing the build-up, taking too many touches and dribbles and then end up losing silly possession. We have no control of the ball today.
This is 100% on the players.
This is 100% on the players.
Amorim won’t waiver from his principles. If he fails then the club has failed him too.
xG has its limitations but it is quite a good way to cut through the squeals of the gaping fannies infesting this place, to be fair.
Hopefully, we can get him 1 or 2 signings in January.
Sell some players who are surplus to requirements if needed.
Sell some players who are surplus to requirements if needed.
Yes there are similar comparisons.
The main difference (and why I have faith in this guy) is because its clear to see what he's trying to do compared to the previous managers we had.
Its 90 minutes of trying the same routines over and over, which CAN work if we get better players.
Its not Mourinho/Ole hoofball or whatever ETH was trying to do with no midfielders.
You only need to look at the quality of our players and those that have left. Our recruitment has been abmysal for several years with 1 or 2 good signings in between.
He deserves praise when we play well and criticism when we don’t. Today was god awful - even by the low standards we’re used too.
No matter how little time he’s had on the training pitch and the lack of quality in the squad, he should be able to set up the team to not get hammered by Bournemouth at home or - at the very least - pose an attacking threat.
The fact that he failed to do that doesn’t mean he won’t be a success here, but it does mean that he needs to do better identifying the correct players for they way he wants to play and give them better instructions on the pitch.
No matter how little time he’s had on the training pitch and the lack of quality in the squad, he should be able to set up the team to not get hammered by Bournemouth at home or - at the very least - pose an attacking threat.
The fact that he failed to do that doesn’t mean he won’t be a success here, but it does mean that he needs to do better identifying the correct players for they way he wants to play and give them better instructions on the pitch.
Yeah we didn’t take care of the ball that well today, just untidy and kept losing the ball.
The notion that he’s made us worse isn’t based in reality. Please look at the run of form leading up to Ten Hag’s dismissal
Ruud has gotten trashed a combined 7-0 his last two games as well.
And they’ve conceded 7 and scored 0 in their last two games. What’s your point?
Ten Hag should have been binned before Halloween last year.
I agree. I hate three CBs and i can't see it working consistently. Its a waste especially when you are conceding from all sorts of attacks. I also think you need outstanding forwards to make this system work and we don't have those.
Of course he needs more rotation, he came mid-season, this is basically his pre-season.