Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Zico1982 said:
Ruben Amorim wants to dominate matches and play with pressing and a high standing defense. We can´t do that with the lack of tempo, crosses and creativity in the teams he is putting on the field. The keywords are playing fast CBs, no inverted Wingbacks, more first time passes and lots of crosses in the box.
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So we come to a place where asking highest paid players in the world to increase tempo and more first time passes is a too much? Surely these things aren’t tactical and every player on this level should be capable of doing it.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Probably the most important thing in the club sadly. I will say I hesitate to think this is true, though it is likely there is a lot of discussion behind the scenes from players about why things aren't working - though i would hope it's more along the lines of picking Amorim's brains to understand what he wants better, than basically giving up on his ideas already.

But the reality is, if these stories do start (as said I doubt they have yet) it is a death spiral. Players give a little less in training, get that little bit more frustrated, cliques form and then we repeat the standard United churn of stories these last few seasons which further undermines the coach. Then Neville & Co jump in and throw players under the bus and it all just compounds.

Times: 'sources speaking on condition of anonymity state Amorim was immensely popular with the players as a person but doubts surfaced quickly about this tactical knowledge being such a young coach and without experience of the PL'
Athletic: 'one source, a member of the playing staff, spoke at length about how hours on the training pitch were not translating to matches - with confusion around Amorim's specific asks and rifts forming between the players.'
Guardian: 'With the return of leaked starting XI's and questioning of Amorim's tactics, a source at the club has bemoaned Ineos decision to force Amorim into his seat during the season. There is a feeling amongst many players they would have been better served sticking with Ruud as interim and not embarking on such a tactical shuffle until pre season.'
Mail: 'This reporter, speaking with one of the academy coaches, heard that questions about whether Amorim truly appreciated United's DNA surfaced quickly. Ineos had spoken at length about respecting traditions when they came in but then they hired a foreigner! Leave means leave!'
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All this just sounds like players who know they can't play to his system fighting for survival. If I was on a big contract, couldn't play to a new system, and I'd just seen Sancho, Rashford, Antony all bombed out, Casemiro not getting a kick, you can can bet your bottom dollar I'd be finding someone else to blame also.
 
crossy1686 said:
Why change anything then? If we're all happy with the way things are going we might as well just carry on. Bring Rashford, Sancho, and Antony back. As them how we should set up from now on.
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Sorry I'm not sure what your point is. The problem leaked players will be turfed if not already done so. But I dont think it's most the squad thats a problem in that regard.
 
crossy1686 said:
All this just sounds like players who know they can't play to his system fighting for survival. If I was on a big contract, couldn't play to a new system, and I'd just seen Sancho, Rashford, Antony all bombed out, Casemiro not getting a kick, you can can bet your bottom dollar I'd be finding someone else to blame also.
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That would assume Ineos are completely bought into the 3 CB setup indefinitely, which seems unlikely. The only real specialist roles are the WBs, and even then it's not like other teams haven't put FB and Wingers into those roles successfully in other cases. As said, I doubt the story is true but I would be surprise din senior players haven't been working with Amorim in terms of trying to better understand what he's looking for.
 
Would make a good game of guess who.

Each time we get a leak you flip down the players no longer here, or the ones who are here and currently happy.

The ones still standing are not that many.
 
Zumbi said:
Ok, you have to be on a wind up. Where did you read this nonsense?

Sporting scored more than three goals in every single one of his last four games in charge. I literally only had to go through his last four matches to determine that stat is total bollocks.

If you take the 16 matches Amorim was in charge of this season, they scored more than three goals in 10 of them. That’s 62.5% of their matches. I’m struggling to think of a stat that’s more wrong than the one you claim to have read somewhere.
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Bright_Eyes said:
Yeah, no. Just in their last three games they scored 3+ in all. In their last 5 actually.

Hell I went and looked it up and they scored 3+ in over 80 matches under Amorim, going on streaks of scoring 3+ in 5, 6 and 7 games in a row. Hope we can get some of that cynical unexciting stuff soon!
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swooshboy said:
It's bizarre that people are now trying to make things up to have a go at Amorim! Also, how many goals has Gyökeres scored for Sporting??

No surprise that he hasn't replied to your replies to him.

The relative strength of the Portuguese league has zero bearing on what he achieved at Sporting. He took a team that was pretty dysfunctional and hadn't enjoyed much recent success and transformed both the team and the culture at the club which resulted in winning the league and breaking the stranglehold that the two dominant teams had had on it. Sporting fans who have posted on here said that it took him time to turn things around there. But he managed to.

I have faith that we will be a much improved team next season after the summer transfer window and an actual preseason. This season has become a transition season, and I don't see the point in trying to change our approach to 4 at the back for the rest of the season, just so we can finish 8th instead of 12th. Especially when then that reduces the time that the team has to adopt to the new system in the summer.
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My post was a follow-up in a conversation about how he won the league with Sporting for the first time after 19 years, not this year.

Its a CNN article.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/12/...on-title-win-covid-19-cmd-spt-intl/index.html
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That would assume Ineos are completely bought into the 3 CB setup indefinitely, which seems unlikely. The only real specialist roles are the WBs, and even then it's not like other teams haven't put FB and Wingers into those roles successfully in other cases. As said, I doubt the story is true but I would be surprise din senior players haven't been working with Amorim in terms of trying to better understand what he's looking for.
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It doesn't mean anything. Pep keeps signing midfielders and playing them as fullbacks, there's no reason why a WB or DM couldn't play in one of the CB roles that is forced to step up into the midfield.
 
VP89 said:
Sorry I'm not sure what your point is. The problem leaked players will be turfed if not already done so. But I dont think it's most the squad thats a problem in that regard.
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The squad don't know what they want, they've failed, at this level you don't get multiple go's at being a success. You take it or you don't. Good players are good no matter what, bad players find excuses and people to blame, its the same in any workplace all over the world.
 
crossy1686 said:
The squad don't know what they want, they've failed, at this level you don't get multiple go's at being a success. You take it or you don't. Good players are good no matter what, bad players find excuses and people to blame, its the same in any workplace all over the world.
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Thats a bit too simple of an insinuation. You think Lindelof, Malacia, Eriksen for example are looking for excuses? They don't strike me as this. Just surplus to requirements for different reasons. They show no resentment to the club.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
My post was a follow-up in a conversation about how he won the league with Sporting for the first time after 19 years, not this year.

Its a CNN article.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/12/...on-title-win-covid-19-cmd-spt-intl/index.html
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You’re judging him based on a CNN article from four years ago? Quoting that article verbatim without credit whilst disregarding the subsequent four years of them battering teams by three, four, five and even eight goals on numerous occasions?

Wow. I’ve see some ridiculous arguments in this place but that takes the biscuit.
 
crossy1686 said:
It doesn't mean anything. Pep keeps signing midfielders and playing them as fullbacks, there's no reason why a WB or DM couldn't play in one of the CB roles that is forced to step up into the midfield.
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Pep does a lot of stuff, a lot of it backfires but your point is weak, in my opinion at least. Of course you 'could' play a DM as a CB and I think that could work as we have seen it occasionally, especially in teams which really dominate the ball as a defensive measure but I challenge you to find a single Wing Back, an actual wing back not a full back, who became a top level CB?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Pep does a lot of stuff, a lot of it backfires but your point is weak, in my opinion at least. Of course you 'could' play a DM as a CB and I think that could work as we have seen it occasionally, especially in teams which really dominate the ball as a defensive measure but I challenge you to find a single Wing Back, an actual wing back not a full back, who became a top level CB?
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There isn't many player that I know have been used as CB and Wingback with any sort of success, even short term success. I only have Isla and Alaba(wingback for Austria) in mind and the success part is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
V.O. said:
A website that just says the opposite of whatever shite the tabloids write is a cracking "sports journalism" idea.
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Tbf I feel like all "sports journalisms" are just horseshit and about clicks/sales whatever you want to call it. So I try to stay away from "mainstream" media at least. These "bloggers/freelancers" can be a little better, at least in my opinion, some of them.

Is like a minefield out there, don't know what you can trust anymore.
 
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