Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Excluding Rashford and Garna from match day squad vs City is huge decision and whatever led to it must have been quite serious.

However in this game none of that matters, hopefully he can conjure up a result or a performance, either 1 or both hopefully
 
There’s no way I’m blaming Amorim for anything this season. In terms of squad quality, tactical baseline, and players confidence he is taking over absolute ground zero.

The vast majority of the improvement that we need will come from squad moves. I pray the club recognizes who needs to go and what we need to bring in.
 
Loving what I'm seeing. Outside of set pieces, anyway. With some more time available to coach in pre season, combined with a few additions, I'm quite positive with the direction we are heading. We are obviously lacking creatively, but we have looked very comfortable today. Similar to the the first half at the Emirates. We have a fair bit of control. The foundations are being set. We just need to excel at it.
 
kaku06 said:
Ruud isn’t a good manager. Don’t be fooled by those 4 games.
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Likewise , you don’t know if he’s a bad one based on the four games. He was a winning manager in Holland with PSV, so that’s pretty much all we have to go by.
 
Some positive signs, we're playing semi decent and we have more control. The problem is our attack is so poor and defensively we cannot defend set pieces.
 
Off the pitch he’s been fantastic. A breath of fresh air. Charismatic, likeable, engaging. The complete opposite of ETH. He just seems like a top bloke. And for that I desperately want him to succeed.

On the pitch though it has been very underwhelming. New system or not you’d expect some kind of new manager bounce. At least an improvement from the guy who’s been sacked. As it is currently, we looked better under Ruud. I hope it’s just teething issues.
 
izec said:
For me, should have kept Ruud this season and given it to Amorim at the end.
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Nah, because then we'd be at this point at the start of next season in terms of getting the squad adjusted to the new tactics. Whereas now, come the start of next season, we'll be further along in our development and, hopefully, we'll be playing decent stuff on the regular.
 
red.knight said:
I am starting to feel sorry for Amorim. Despite his evident talent and potential as a manager, it seems hes facing challenges right from the start at United.
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I don't feel sorry for him, he knew what he was coming into, good managers know, he must've watched Utd enough to be able to judge the team.

I do question whether these up and coming managers need to prove it in the PL with another team first before moving to a club like Utd. For me this is looking like ETH all over again. Someone who'd only managed in one league with a big team, got some results and with it a good reputation and everyone thinking it'll be transferable to the PL.

This league is brutal and coming into a team like Utd who are struggling is going to be tough for anyone, but more so for managers who are new to the league.

Utd's best results came under Mourinho and I feel we need a manager with plenty of experience at various clubs an proven history of rebuilds to turn this club around.
 
I see Utd players do the most inexplicable, ridiculous things on a pitch regularly throughout the 90 min, most coaches would tear their hair out. I know managers take credit for improving the players but I really feel our lot are a lost cause.
 
Cabin Clown said:
Anyone who agreed with Sancho over ETH needs their head examined. Didn't apply himself and then tried to turn the fans against the manager for getting called out. So glad the lazy fecker is gone.
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If i remember correctly, it was mostly ETH out fanatics who sided with Sancho. Not because they agreed with Sancho but because they could use something else for the ETH out argument.
 
Raoul said:
Likewise , you don’t know if he’s a bad one based on the four games. He was a winning manager in Holland with PSV, so that’s pretty much all we have to go by.
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Have seen nothing from him suggest otherwise. I don’t even know what his teams play style like neither from united nor from Leicester yet. But of course, the sample size is too small and my opinion can turn out be wrong.
 
Raoul said:
Likewise , you don’t know if he’s a bad one based on the four games. He was a winning manager in Holland with PSV, so that’s pretty much all we have to go by.
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If Ruud Leicester loses 4-0 again to another team, the same people will start saying we dodged a bullet.
 
We’re set up way too defensively today. I’ve never liked the 3-4-3 because it’s more of a 5-4-1 unless you insist otherwise by playing wingers as wing-backs. When you line up like today with three attacking players, you’re gonna struggle to create.
 
maximus419 said:
I don't feel sorry for him, he knew what he was coming into, good managers know, he must've watched Utd enough to be able to judge the team.

I do question whether these up and coming managers need to prove it in the PL with another team first before moving to a club like Utd. For me this is looking like ETH all over again. Someone who'd only managed in one league with a big team, got some results and with it a good reputation and everyone thinking it'll be transferable to the PL.

This league is brutal and coming into a team like Utd who are struggling is going to be tough for anyone, but more so for managers who are new to the league.

Utd's best results came under Mourinho and I feel we need a manager with plenty of experience at various clubs an proven history of rebuilds to turn this club around.
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I agree that the PL is tough, but I don’t think its particularly tough for managers who are new to the league. Conte won the PL in his first season playing a 3-4-3. Ancelotti won the PL and FA Cup double in his first season. Mourinho won the PL in his first season. Wenger finished third in the PL and won a cup double (FA Cup/ and League Cup). Arne Slot is doing well with Liverpool. I’m sure there are many more examples. For me, United issue goes beyond Amorim being new to the league its that everything about United is wrong. The club problems are deeply rooted in its structure, management and philosophy. Its not just a matter of the manager adapting to the PL its about the culture and direction of the club. Since Fergie left United has failed to establish a long-term vision leading to constant managerial changes and instability in player recruitment.
 
red.knight said:
I agree that the PL is tough, but I don’t think its particularly tough for managers who are new to the league. Conte won the PL in his first season playing a 3-4-3. Ancelotti won the PL and FA Cup double in his first season. Mourinho won the PL in his first season. Wenger finished third in the PL and won a cup double (FA Cup/ and League Cup). Arne Slot is doing well with Liverpool. I’m sure there are many more examples. For me, United issue goes beyond Amorim being new to the league its that everything about United is wrong. The club problems are deeply rooted in its structure, management and philosophy. Its not just a matter of the manager adapting to the PL its about the culture and direction of the club. Since Fergie left United has failed to establish a long-term vision leading to constant managerial changes and instability in player recruitment.
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In that case how long should a manager get and when do you accept it's their team on the pitch with their coaching, tactics etc? How do you get a long term vision because unless a manager gets a say in that, they are always working with the last regimes plans, therefore is it ever their own team?
 
We've written off this season. Fine. I'm not happy with it but I understand. I hope by next season, half these players are shown the door who clearly can't play this system.
 
PoTMS said:
We've written off this season. Fine. I'm not happy with it but I understand. I hope by next season, half these players are shown the door who clearly can't play this system.
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We really can't write the season off. We're not good enough to just let the season slide because unless you've looked at the table, we really aren't far off relegation zone.
 
I get him wanting to implement his 343 but our squad is terribly suited for it.
 
We haven’t written the season off, it’s just terrible timing to be playing good teams, I don’t think we’ll be relegated obviously. But I don’t think we’ll have such a poor showing next season either.. a year out of European competition will do us the world of good tbh
 
I like him. He speaks well and he's got a personality, unlike Erik. That said, he's trying to implement a tactic on a playing squad that isn't up to the tactic. The players we do have though don't really suit much, though. He deserves time but he has clowns on the pitch and clowns off the pitch to contend with.
 
We’re not winning many games and having a few hiccups but you can see a style and shape at least. In time we will be what he wants
 
DJ_21 said:
We’re not winning many games and having a few hiccups but you can see a style and shape at least. In time we will be what he wants
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Agree, definite style and we're holding possession well. I'm positive for the future
 
Bwuk said:
I get him wanting to implement his 343 but our squad is terribly suited for it.
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Like he’s mentioned a few times though. He’d rather start with this to get them use to it even though we’ll face a few hiccups and then we’ll be better of next season.
 
So many positives recently. Even in games we didn't win. I'm optimistic.
 
Bwuk said:
I get him wanting to implement his 343 but our squad is terribly suited for it.
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Our squad isn't particularly great at any formation. Playing 343 from day one and seeing who is worth keeping is clearly the right plan.

Diallo might get a game next season!
 
Get him the players he needs & we’ll be challenging for the big trophies again. Can already see the impact he’s had with these players.
 
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