Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Insanity said:
The ball needs to come out of the defense much faster than it does currently. Our keeper & defenders ponder too much in the ball.
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Yeah we're currently relying too much on hard work to get results.
Our general play has improved but we're way too slow so we're not scoring unless it's a set piece or a turnover currently. Barely any goals from our dominance in possession.
That to me is why it seems like Rashford and Garnacho have dipped in performances. Once we can manage to get the patterns right I expect we'll see more goals like Hojlund's first against Forest and we'll see better performances from the players in the 2 behind the striker.

Currently we've not really gotten enough out of those roles. Every other position except LWB I'm seeing good performances more often.
 
I'll wait until the end of the season to judge any player quality issues with the system. It's still way too new and we're not good enough at it yet to get the best out of everyone who starts. The slowness just hinders our attackers.
 
Bon1803 said:
I am still convinced he is the right man and I really don’t think some of these players will get away with the poor performances they are serving up due to lack of effort and commitment.

The system is taking shape and everyone can see the areas we need to improve are primarily the wing backs. Amad has done well at RWB but is more suited as a 10. We will also need good cover at WB due to the demands of the role.

I do think when January arrives we may see some incomings but they will be low key and possibly only short term stepping stones.

When the schedule clears up a bit his preferred 11 will become obvious and this will lead to an upturn in results and performance as team cohesion will rapidly improve. It’s frustrating to see the combinations of lack of desire and intelligence in some players it must by infuriating for Amorim. He’s not exactly reinventing the wheel telling them to sprint forward and back.

It’s going to be a hard watch for us but if you have watched the games over the last few years you will see the seeds have been planted.
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I think the Pilzn-game Showed his cards more with regard to a first eleven: He rotated with many of the weakers choices starting, and switched players as we needed points. I think what we ended the game with is not ao far from his best functioning eleven as of now.

Onana (kidnappers: return our keeper!)

Mazraoui
De Ligt
Martinez

Dalot/Diallo/Antony(?)
Ugarte
Bruno (Mainoo needs some time yet)
Malacia/Dalot/Garnacho
Diallo/Garnacho
Mount
Højlund

We looked better attacking than anytime so far with Antony and Garnacho at WB, whereas Dalot and Malacia at least in theory are safer options playing the likes of City.

Bruno and Amad are both key players that could play in alternate positions, will be interesting to see were he deploys them in the coming games.
 
RDCR07 said:
Is he hardworking enough though? Pressing and tracking back?
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Not sure if your post is ironie or not.
But I really start to dislike this current development that every offensive player needs to "work hard and tracking back". I think it takes out the flair of the players more and more.
Of course I'm aware that these things are important nowadays and Amorim wants his players to run like "mad dogs". Nothing against that, its required probably to win the PL.

But still I would prefer a world where flair players would have more freedom again.
 
roseguy64 said:
Yeah we're currently relying too much on hard work to get results.
Our general play has improved but we're way too slow so we're not scoring unless it's a set piece or a turnover currently. Barely any goals from our dominance in possession.
That to me is why it seems like Rashford and Garnacho have dipped in performances. Once we can manage to get the patterns right I expect we'll see more goals like Hojlund's first against Forest and we'll see better performances from the players in the 2 behind the striker.

Currently we've not really gotten enough out of those roles. Every other position except LWB I'm seeing good performances more often.
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TheReligion said:
Is it fair to say it was always going to be the set up at the back that takes the longest to adapt to in terms of system?
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In the Liverpool game today, after an early red card to Robertson they switched to a back 3 flawlessly. This included moving CM Gravenberch to CB.

So why does it take us so long to adapt?
 
JoseM4 said:
True. But down 1-0 then went down to 10 men yet still dominated the game. I imagine they’re pleased with the result.
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I think it has everything to do with confidence. They are top of the table, they have players who can change the game and their opponent is cautious. If they have a man down to City or Arsenal, I doubt they can dominate. If we went down a player, everyone will dominate us. These players are mentally weak and will find every excuse to lose, they are not winners. Do you see a winner in Rashford? Never in a million year, he just doesn't have it in him to proof everyone wrong.
 
JoseM4 said:
In the Liverpool game today, after an early red card to Robertson they switched to a back 3 flawlessly. This included moving CM Gravenberch to CB.

So why does it take us so long to adapt?
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Credit where it's due. They're the best team in Europe right now. Top of both the Premier and Champs league.
 
Big decisions looking at the matchday squad, but I’m rocking with Amorim and whatever he decides to do for now

We’ll hopefully start progressing faster after the festive period/turn of the year
 


Must be another reason besides fitness then, he said on Thursday there weren't any new injuries
 
He may well crash and burn here but at least he is showing the guts to do things his way. This is exactly what the club has been crying out for, it’s now up to players to respond and the manger and those above him to stick with it.

Klopp, Pep and even Arteta have all done something similar of setting standards and players either conform or move on. It’s the only way forward, it’s a risk but the alternative of just sticking to the status quo just sees you sleepwalk aimlessly towards the sack.
 
A big majority for the fanbase is behind Amorim and what he his trying to achieve however the same fanbase also realises he's inherited a mentally weak, technically average and non-atheletic squad so it's like his hands are tied behind his back!
 
INEOS need to get a hold of things fast.

After todays game if United lose the media is going to be all over Amorim.

The United manager has to deal with too much of this crap all the time. The players teams will be in overdrive today as well to get ready with post on socials. fecking Joke.
 
Very interesting quotes:

Manchester United manager Ruben Amorim, speaking to Sky Sports about the omission of Marcus Rashford and Alejandro Garnacho: “We try to evaluate everything training performance, game performances, engagement with teammates, push their teammates up. Everything is on the line when we analyse and try to choose the players. It is my selection. Simple.

“I don’t want to send a message it is simply an evaluation and they know it. The players are really, really smart. Everybody understands my decision and I have to choose. It is simple selection.

“Of course the context is difficult because we have to win games and we have a difficult situation now. I pay attention to everything, the way you eat, the way you put your clothes to go to a game. Everything. I make my evaluation and then I decide.

“There is a communication after the last training. They are alright. They had training this morning and I was there. They trained really well.”
 
Crucially I think he’s being backed by Berrada, Wilcox and INEOS for the dropping of Rashford and Garnacho. I don’t think the Glazers would have been supportive as those two players are revenue generators in their eyes.
 
RedSky said:
Refreshing to have a Manager that talks the talk but walks the walk.
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Irrespective of what happens today Rubin is the 1st manager who has laid down the law with the players since Sir Alex and obviously has the backing of SJR
 
Swiss_Red89 said:
Not sure if your post is ironie or not.
But I really start to dislike this current development that every offensive player needs to "work hard and tracking back". I think it takes out the flair of the players more and more.
Of course I'm aware that these things are important nowadays and Amorim wants his players to run like "mad dogs". Nothing against that, its required probably to win the PL.

But still I would prefer a world where flair players would have more freedom again.
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And where has flair players gotten us this past decade? We’ve had the likes of Pogba, Rashford, Garnacho etc. I’d rather have Rooney type players who are very good and give everything to the team rather than Pogba type “flair” players who show up like once in 3 weeks.
 
Strachan8 said:
Irrespective of what happens today Rubin is the 1st manager who has laid down the law with the players since Sir Alex and obviously has the backing of SJR
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ETH did it with Sancho and was roundly criticised for it.
 
Strachan8 said:
Irrespective of what happens today Rubin is the 1st manager who has laid down the law with the players since Sir Alex and obviously has the backing of SJR
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Not quite true. Jose did it with Pogba, ETH also dropped sancho.
 
I have never felt like this guy is the right person more than I have now.

It's not about who he's dropped, it's more about making the decisions he feels he needs to make on players who clearly aren't applying themselves, regardless of who they are. I don't care if we lose today because these two players are dropped, shot tern pain for long term gain.

Someone finally laying down the law. The message seems simple, either you're with me, and you apply yourself, or you're out, I don't care who you are.

I'm gonna give props to the likes of INEOS too, because dropping the likes of Rashford entirely i'm not sure is something that would be happening under the Glazers, they are clearly backing him to do what he feels like he needs to do, and he can do it with no qualms from the higher ups.

Good.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Crucially I think he’s being backed by Berrada, Wilcox and INEOS for the dropping of Rashford and Garnacho. I don’t think the Glazers would have been supportive as those two players are revenue generators in their eyes.
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They weren’t.
Remember Pogba going over Jose’s head for wanting to travel to a game or from a game by himself and not the team bus.
Jose said no, but someone up top over ruled him.
 
The Firestarter said:
No he wasn't. Overwhelmingly he was supported in here for that decision.
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I'd need to look at the ETH vs Sancho thread.

But I am fairly sure there was a lot of disagreement about it. Maybe it was a vocal majority who popped in everytime he had a good 5 minutes for Dortmund.
 
Strachan8 said:
Irrespective of what happens today Rubin is the 1st manager who has laid down the law with the players since Sir Alex and obviously has the backing of SJR
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Ten Hag did a fair amount of laying down the law. He managed Ronaldo out of the club, exiled Sancho, made Martial train in isolation, and dropped Rashford for being unprofessional.

Sadly, it didn't seem to do much good.
 
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