Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[CM]

Do you guys think the hierarchy at the club will allow Amorim to do what Maresca was given the green light to do this past summer and make those super cold, ruthless decisions to exile and move on anyone he didn’t fancy? Even some players that came as a shock at the time.

This is what has to be done at United.

The issue won't be whether he's allowed to get rid of them, it'll be how difficult it is for the club to get rid of them. The lack of quality combined with the astronomical wages is a toxic equation. Chelsea were able to shift the players they didn't want anymore for good fees prior to Maresca's arrival, Amorim won't be afforded that same luxury.

 

[Marwood]

The issue won't be whether he's allowed to get rid of them, it'll be how difficult it is for the club to get rid of them. The lack of quality combined with the astronomical wages is a toxic equation. Chelsea were able to shift the players they didn't want anymore for good fees prior to Maresca's arrival, Amorim won't be afforded that same luxury.

I still think most players, if its made clear they don't have a future, will be sat on the bench, will want to leave.

 

[Orc]

The issue won't be whether he's allowed to get rid of them, it'll be how difficult it is for the club to get rid of them. The lack of quality combined with the astronomical wages is a toxic equation. Chelsea were able to shift the players they didn't want anymore for good fees prior to Maresca's arrival, Amorim won't be afforded that same luxury.

My memory is fuzzy but I’m pretty sure the difficult decisions on all of Chilwell, Sterling, and Chalobah were made by Maresca, not before he arrived. And two of those are only loans with Chilly still in exile. So it hasn’t all been smooth.

 

[CM]

I still think most players, if its made clear they don't have a future, will be sat on the bench, will want to leave.

Yeah of course, but we won't be making back good money for them and will probably have to take the sting of subsidising wages for a few. Chelsea were able to sell most of their fringe players for decent money and re-invest.

 

[CM]

My memory is fuzzy but I’m pretty sure the difficult decisions on all of Chilwell, Sterling, and Chalobah were made by Maresca, not before he arrived. And two of those are only loans with Chilly still in exile. So it hasn’t all been smooth.

Yeah but how many others were sold for good money in the last couple of years? Mount, Havertz, Gallagher, Maatsen, Hall just off the top of my head, I'm sure there were at least a couple more. We'd be lucky to get one or two like that.

 

[JediSith]

Certain ex players and pundits already starting to pile in on Amorim. Absolutely ridiculous. Darren Brent was asking when are we going to see a change.

Well I’ve already seen a change for the better under Amorim.

 

[TsuWave]

I know we lost the last one, but I'm kinda itching to watch us play

next game can't come soon enough

 

[Top_Bins]

I know we lost the last one, but I'm kinda itching to watch us play

next game can't come soon enough

Under ETH I'd say you are a masochist, sir!
However, clangers aside, we have become a lot more entertaining.

 

[Insanity]

Maybe you are misinterpreting something but I am fairly sure, it is a million times more likely that he simply didn't invest time yet to get to know the u21 players. He has a squad of professionals to coach for one of the highest leagues. The fact, that he didn't put in a player from the youth team after like 3 weeks means nothing. I'd say it would be way more weird if he did.

Yes, quite possible. However, that's how I understood it. I'll try to add the clip to the post once I can find it.

 

[PlasticRed]

The only way to get out of this cycle is to be aggressive in the transfer market. Buying quality players.

And being ruthless with the shite blocking up our squad. Ultimatum time. Find a new club or you train with the youth team.

 

[TwoSheds]

The only way to get out of this cycle is to be aggressive in the transfer market. Buying quality players.

And being ruthless with the shite blocking up our squad. Ultimatum time. Find a new club or you train with the youth team.

We don't have any money though, it will have to be a slow build while developing from within.

 

[romufc]

the ability to then renege on the deal..

In seriousness, I thought as you did and posted about it but there seems to be such malaise about our team right now. Much of being a head coach I feel these days is in your reputation, as soon as Mourinho lost his first dressing room his downfall came fast, it's why Pep isn't taking challenging jobs - players talk, agent talk, all it takes is a seed of doubt and then an unlucky loss or two and a player starts giving 95% instead of 100%, it compounds across a team.

This is a somewhat pointless conversation now, but I remember talking with someone else on here about how people say they give time, but results change minds. If Amorim can't stop the form (we're averaging a point a game under him) he won't even get until the end of the season, we would finish on 42 points. Obviously I do not think it will get that bad but he's not some miracle worker and I feel it would have been better to come in summer and avoid the media battering he's going to get over the coming months unless he can get us to to turn a corner.

This narrative that a manager has to be a miracle worker to get us to 6th and above is a joke really. It wont take a miracle to get us 6th..

We are losing games to Forest and the like, regardless how bad the players are they are better than 70% of the teams in the PL.

Amorim has been brought in to make a change, the team needs to do better and he has to do better.

 

[tomaldinho1]

This narrative that a manager has to be a miracle worker to get us to 6th and above is a joke really. It wont take a miracle to get us 6th..

We are losing games to Forest and the like, regardless how bad the players are they are better than 70% of the teams in the PL.

Amorim has been brought in to make a change, the team needs to do better and he has to do better.

So my obvious question to you is where do we need to finish for him to be sacked? 7th? Seems harsh.

 

[romufc]

So my obvious question to you is where do we need to finish for him to be sacked? 7th? Seems harsh.

He wont be sacked this season unless we are like 15th and below. I would rather us waste 1 season than hire a manager and then him needing that season to review the players... makes no sense wasting 18 months.

 

[tomaldinho1]

He wont be sacked this season unless we are like 15th and below. I would rather us waste 1 season than hire a manager and then him needing that season to review the players... makes no sense wasting 18 months.

I can see us struggling to match ETH’s 8th place finish with the current team as is. There’s still a core to this team I think that lacks any real fight + the players I think have quality up top are a bit young still.

 

[romufc]

I can see us struggling to match ETH’s 8th place finish with the current team as is. There’s still a core to this team I think that lacks any real fight + the players I think have quality up top are a bit young still.

At the moment it looks like that but I have seen enough signs over the last 2 weeks that this will improve.

Coaching seems to be better with us actually having a system we play, we can see that on the pitch. The players are not used to it and once we get more time on the training pitch, I can see us finishing above 8th easily.

 

[tenpoless]

Hiring a coach with a very niche system after backing ETH so heavily in the past few years was naive.

At this point Moyes or Allegri would probably have been the ideal candidate to come in and take the squad back to basics and make it hard to beat.

3 at the back in a niche system? it's a formation from 1970...

 

[Red Ten]

Ruben himself said that results buy time. Well, he better heed his own words otherwise things are going to get very messy for him.

 

[John XII]

Ruben himself said that results buy time. Well, he better heed his own words otherwise things are going to get very messy for him.

Absolutely, I'm going to start calling him Shamorim soon.

 

[Blood Mage]

Ruben himself said that results buy time. Well, he better heed his own words otherwise things are going to get very messy for him.

He should get time but that is obviously dependent on how bad results get. If things snowball and we're languishing just above the drop zone in two months you can see emergency decisions being made. I want this to work though and I hope it does.

 

[Wolfbot]

This narrative that a manager has to be a miracle worker to get us to 6th and above is a joke really. It wont take a miracle to get us 6th..

We are losing games to Forest and the like, regardless how bad the players are they are better than 70% of the teams in the PL.

Amorim has been brought in to make a change, the team needs to do better and he has to do better.

It's not really a joke though is it, we have a few reasonably good players, but the rest are no better than those clubs fighting for 5th or 6th. We definitely don't have many, if any, players as good as, or better than their counterparts in the current top four sides.

Mazraoui, Bruno, and Shaw when fit are really the only players we have that I think stand out as anything special. Even then, people regularly criticise Bruno and Shaw, so what does that say about the quality of the squad?

Onana and Casemiro do have something about them, but they are careless and prone to errors that can as easily lose us a game as much as they can have a winning influence. Ugarte looks pretty decent but it's early days.

Some potential in some of the young players but we don't know if they'll reach the required levels and certainly shouldn't be our go to starters.

I'd happily take quite a few of the players from the Spurs, Newcastle, Villa squads for example, I genuinely think they have much better players than us in some positions. I'd even take some of the attacking players from the likes of Brentford or Brighton over ours.

I was in the players are better than what they are made to look camp for quite a while, now I'm realising we've overpaid for a lot of pretty average players and we probably aren't much better than those we think we should be above, hence the constant struggle and disappointment.

 

[Shinjch]

Feels like some sections of the support continue to overrate the players that the manager has at his disposal. We can only judge them based on what we are seeing on the pitch, not some potential that they could be if everything works out well for them and the team. When the players aren't good enough, it makes the job of the manager very difficult, especially in a competitive league and especially at a club like United where every movement is scrutinised. I would swap this squad for most of the others in the top half of the league.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Squad isn't great, Shaw isn't helping, however his system is neither.

A 433 would get a lot more out of Rashford/Garnacho, Mainoo/Fernandes.

That is our key to penetrating more.

Plus this 3 CB doesn't seem to make us concede less goals at all.

Wish Ruud would have finished the season and Amorim comes in fresh for the summer.

He will have a lot to do turning the tide coming June and July.

 

[romufc]

It's not really a joke though is it, we have a few reasonably good players, but the rest are no better than those clubs fighting for 5th or 6th. We definitely don't have many, if any, players as good as, or better than their counterparts in the current top four sides.

Mazraoui, Bruno, and Shaw when fit are really the only players we have that I think stand out as anything special. Even then, people regularly criticise Bruno and Shaw, so what does that say about the quality of the squad?

Onana and Casemiro do have something about them, but they are careless and prone to errors that can as easily lose us a game as much as they can have a winning influence. Ugarte looks pretty decent but it's early days.

Some potential in some of the young players but we don't know if they'll reach the required levels and certainly shouldn't be our go to starters.

I'd happily take quite a few of the players from the Spurs, Newcastle, Villa squads for example, I genuinely think they have much better players than us in some positions. I'd even take some of the attacking players from the likes of Brentford or Brighton over ours.

I was in the players are better than what they are made to look camp for quite a while, now I'm realising we've overpaid for a lot of pretty average players and we probably aren't much better than those we think we should be above, hence the constant struggle and disappointment.

I get that but you are talking about top 4 sides, I am talking about finishing 6th..

You may take players from other squads, I am sure Villa would take players from our squad too, same as Newcastle.

Let the manager get into things and lets have a look how we look in middle of Jan after a few more good weeks of training / games.

I agree, we have alot of players that need to go, we basically need a flash sale where we sell 80% of our squad.

 

[horsechoker]

Absolutely, I'm going to start calling him Shamorim soon.

Amorout
Rubetterleave

 

[Wolfbot]

I get that but you are talking about top 4 sides, I am talking about finishing 6th..

You may take players from other squads, I am sure Villa would take players from our squad too, same as Newcastle.

Let the manager get into things and lets have a look how we look in middle of Jan after a few more good weeks of training / games.

I agree, we have alot of players that need to go, we basically need a flash sale where we sell 80% of our squad.

Yeah, I agree we need to see how it looks in a few months time when the manager has had a bit more time working with the squad and there's been a varied selection of opponents at different levels.

Our squad can't really be compared to top level sides, I agree. I think my point is more that because of the lack of quality in our team, we could genuinely struggle to achieve 5th or 6th even though the consensus might naturally be that we should be capable of doing that easily.

My main issue is with the attack...the likes of Isak, Son, Gordon, Watkins, Kulisevsky, Johnson, Duran are much better than what we're fielding. How can we as fans feel entitled to finish above teams that legit have better or more effective players where it really matters on the pitch?

On top of that, there's Brentford, Bournemouth etc that don't have as good a quality of squad but are superb teams for the resources they have which makes it even tougher.

I wouldn't be shocked if we fail to achieve what we usually regard as the bare minimum, even if Amorim actually does his job fairly well.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

We can't really blame his tactics for the Nottingham Forest game. The players were clearly at fault.

1st Goal - Martinez somehow decided not to jump at all to defend a corner kick. I know he is short but at least jump and try? Evra were very good at header around the same height.

2nd Goal - Not sure what was Onana doing. The shot were basically straight at him with moderate pace.

3rd Goal - Onana, De Ligt and the most at fault was Martinez again. He has to clear the ball guarding the back post. No excuses.

Apart from these 3 calamities, we played well as a team. We are building something. Fingers crossed

 

[alexthelion]

At the moment it looks like that but I have seen enough signs over the last 2 weeks that this will improve.

Coaching seems to be better with us actually having a system we play, we can see that on the pitch. The players are not used to it and once we get more time on the training pitch, I can see us finishing above 8th easily.

You've certainly got more faith in the current players than I and a lot of other posters have.

 

[dubplate warrior]

We can't really blame his tactics for the Nottingham Forest game. The players were clearly at fault.

1st Goal - Martinez somehow decided not to jump at all to defend a corner kick. I know he is short but at least jump and try? Evra were very good at header around the same height.

2nd Goal - Not sure what was Onana doing. The shot were basically straight at him with moderate pace.

3rd Goal - Onana, De Ligt and the most at fault was Martinez again. He has to clear the ball guarding the back post. No excuses.

Apart from these 3 calamities, we played well as a team. We are building something. Fingers crossed

Agreed. It's individual errors and a clear lack of quality that cost us the game.

We look far more organised, but I'm surprised at just how unathletic we are. We always seem to run out of gas in the second half.

 

[bond19821982]

We can't really blame his tactics for the Nottingham Forest game. The players were clearly at fault.

1st Goal - Martinez somehow decided not to jump at all to defend a corner kick. I know he is short but at least jump and try? Evra were very good at header around the same height.

2nd Goal - Not sure what was Onana doing. The shot were basically straight at him with moderate pace.

3rd Goal - Onana, De Ligt and the most at fault was Martinez again. He has to clear the ball guarding the back post. No excuses.

Apart from these 3 calamities, we played well as a team. We are building something. Fingers crossed

I partially agree but there is a lot more. Forest made sure our midfield didn't get the ball and Ruben had no answer to it. How many chances did we actually create?

It was our wingbacks and Defenders with all the ball and they did feck all.

Individual errors didn't help either . Wood goal was brilliant but other two could have been avoided

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We can't really blame his tactics for the Nottingham Forest game. The players were clearly at fault.

1st Goal - Martinez somehow decided not to jump at all to defend a corner kick. I know he is short but at least jump and try? Evra were very good at header around the same height.

2nd Goal - Not sure what was Onana doing. The shot were basically straight at him with moderate pace.

3rd Goal - Onana, De Ligt and the most at fault was Martinez again. He has to clear the ball guarding the back post. No excuses.

Apart from these 3 calamities, we played well as a team. We are building something. Fingers crossed

I don’t think Martinez was expected to jump. His job was blocking. It was Dalot who was supposed to get his head to a ball delivered that area of the box. But he got his jump completely wrong.

 

[The Firestarter]

I don’t think Martinez was expected to jump. His job was blocking. It was Dalot who was supposed to get his head to a ball delivered that area of the box. But he got his jump completely wrong.

At this point I am not sure if Dalot could make a toast without turning it into charcoal .

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Squad isn't great, Shaw isn't helping, however his system is neither.

A 433 would get a lot more out of Rashford/Garnacho, Mainoo/Fernandes.

That is our key to penetrating more.

Plus this 3 CB doesn't seem to make us concede less goals at all.

Wish Ruud would have finished the season and Amorim comes in fresh for the summer.

He will have a lot to do turning the tide coming June and July.

It sure as shit hasn’t in the past. What’s changed?

 

[Ish]

Agreed. It's individual errors and a clear lack of quality that cost us the game.

We look far more organised, but I'm surprised at just how unathletic we are. We always seem to run out of gas in the second half.

Are you really though? I mean it's been an issue which has existed with us seemingly forever - always on the lower end of PL running metrics: distances covered, pressures, sprints etc etc.

We've called it out long ago. Ralf called it out. Yet we continued to spend exorbitant wads of cash on signing more and more players either physically small/weak, or too slow - hell, even both. And the kicker is, they're not exactly even great technically either. Honestly does my head in the sheer amount of incompetence by a number of people to get us to where we are.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Are you really though? I mean it's been an issue which has existed with us seemingly forever - always on the lower end of PL running metrics: distances covered, pressures, sprints etc etc.

We've called it out long ago. Ralf called it out. Yet we continued to spend exorbitant wads of cash on signing more and more players either physically small/weak, or too slow - hell, even both. And the kicker is, they're not exactly even great technically either. Honestly does my head in the sheer amount of incompetence by a number of people to get us to where we are.

Fair point.

 

[Stinkypete]

Agreed. It's individual errors and a clear lack of quality that cost us the game.

We look far more organised, but I'm surprised at just how unathletic we are. We always seem to run out of gas in the second half.

The Atleticism will come if Ruben continues playing them in this way every game and drilling those that don't play. It's all in the muscle memory and building up fitness to play to 90mins. That's an issue we have had for some time and isn't going to be rectified by being pragmatic getting some wins together and the players not learning the new system.

It's just going to take time, Ruben said a storm was coming and I honestly think he meant December the Month looking at the fixture list.

 

[Trex]

I partially agree but there is a lot more. Forest made sure our midfield didn't get the ball and Ruben had no answer to it. How many chances did we actually create?

It was our wingbacks and Defenders with all the ball and they did feck all.

Individual errors didn't help either . Wood goal was brilliant but other two could have been avoided

Aside Amad non of the front five is comfortable receiving under pressure, there was no trust giving it to them, so it's was very slow, we couldn't combine and take advantage of the space behind their backline except for the actual goal we scored. We'll need better in this positions, better movement and better combination play. Swap Dalot and Garnacho for a natural left wingback and an attacker like prime Hazard and watch the opponent all retreat right into their box just to contain us.

 

[SparcMac]

He should get time but that is obviously dependent on how bad results get. If things snowball and we're languishing just above the drop zone in two months you can see emergency decisions being made. I want this to work though and I hope it does.

Yes and the decision should be to get the manager the players he can use in his system.

Some of you are getting thicker and thicker every week, instead of actually understanding what we need to have a long term success.

 

[AndySmith1990]

We're obviously not going to be relegated, so why not be patient and just let Amorim do whatever he needs this season, and start judging next season? He's already said there needs to be short term pain to avoid us being in the same position again next season. Trust he knows what he's talking about and stop worrying so much about results right now. Look at where Chelsea were only one season ago and compare to now. You never know, that might be us next season?

 

[JBG]

Yes and the decision should be to get the manager the players he can use in his system.

Some of you are getting thicker and thicker every week, instead of actually understanding what we need to have a long term success.

The players he has now aren't physically or mentally able to play the intensity ETH wanted, let alone the intensity Amorim wants. So 100% agree, need to get players that fit him. that, as I've mentioned before would also benefit our club in the future as well. Because, he wants athletes, that are technically gifted, but also mentally strong.