Amorim looks unsure in the post match interview right after his first premier league game with Ipswich.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Ahh the old resign and walk away tagline. Same was said about EtH.
Is the modern fans reaction to hard times to just fecking give up nowadays?
Pretty much.
Disruption always follows intention which is a principle in any business but the problem for Amorim is he can't run out of too much rope in the process.
Beyond this current term he's only got 24 months with his current contract which suggests INEOS likely aren't behind this 3 seasons to get going narrative that exists among the fan consensus.
If United keep getting back to back poor results it will reflect badly on him as the manager, it doesn't matter what we as fans say naturally the feeling around the club will change and it will likely filter down to the players.
I'm not confident there will be a vote of confidence if United finish around 15 / 16th as a result. I think the only silver lining in such instances is if we are seeing some of what's being witnessed, where in isolation the team is performing relatively well but individual errors / missing chances to not kill off games.
That's 'worst case scenario' outlook but neutrally If Amorim focuses solely on the teams performances I think he'll gain the necessary traction to string results together if he finds his team amongst this current crop of players.
I'd like to see Luke Shaw back as the wing back, either Maz or Dalot down the right with Amad in the attacking roles. One combination in the midfield that also demonstrated success with Ruud was Casemiro / Ugarte in a partnership.
Blimey, it’s a good job we dont install managers with this level of determination.
It’s not like Amorim has been shocked into what he’s getting into. He knew he was joining a utd team that’s just had the worst start to a premier league season and is in a mess. He ain’t going to just walk away!
Amorim is probably looking forward to working with someone that fits with him and Berrada, not looking to leave or not understanding the overhaul we're in. Whether it's Viana or someone like him or perhaps we had one too many people and can manage without.
It's only natural after a quick hiring spree of top people when taking over a vision and certain people will emerge.
It's only natural after a quick hiring spree of top people when taking over a vision and certain people will emerge.
This is society in a nutshell now, run and hide.
Do you live your actual life with this sort of quitter’s mentality and wet attitude?
What does him stating whether he believes in them or doesn't believe in them have to do with any targets he would have been set by management to acheive this season?
You inherit a set of players who are at different ends of the spectrum in terms of poor, okay and genuine talents. You are languishing midtable/bottom half. You need to make it to Xmas so hopefully you can get in better players with the liklihood being that you will have to wait until the summer. Do you try to get some confidence into a set of players whose confidence levels are on the floor to at least try to finish in the best position possible or do you avoid trying to raise their confidence levels? Honestly, think the majority of fans have never managed people/teams.
There is no way he will have known about the absolute mess behind the scenes or that the Technical Director who would have been responsible for bringing in the players he needs would be sacked 5 games in to his tenure.
It's a real shame we didn't go through with the decision to sack ten Hag after the FA Cup final. Amorim is trying to install a new system with not much time on the training pitch to do it. He's said it himself in interviews that we are going to suffer a bit and I'm fine with that if it leads to long term success. It's good to see a coach focusing more on the system and performances of the team rather than sacrificing it all for a few results.
Well good luck to him. Hell of a job and he'll really have to be the one to sort it out.
Remember what he said. Its gonna be painful. Thats why my initial expectation was to see how we are at next season. This season is rather irrelevant to me to be honest and I dont have the patience to see tiny improvements game by game. Id rather just wait and see next season.
Technical Director is Wilcox. Ashworth is the Director of Football. Come on.
Ironically, I am a manger of people professionally.
He will be judged on the fact that he believed in a set of players that were never cut out for his ambitions. It's not be all and end all but still.
Why am I reading that so often these days? The guy was hardly an attacking fullback in the last 5 or 6 years, how is he supposed to work as a wingback ffs? The wingbacks are essential to provide width for this system. If width isn't there, we will always be up against clogged up centre of the pitch. Shaw is everything but the answer for LWB. Not only because of his fitness record, but because he's definitely missing the intensity to play that role. The guy should be gotten rid off as soon as possible and for the time we are forced to have him around AND he is available for a matchday squad, should only be playing the left CB spot.
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Again him saying he believes in players is meaningless. Every manager says that, Fergie would say that and then sell the same player in the next window. I doubt that if you was asked to make a public comment on the team you manage that you would say that you don't believe in them. Regardless of whether you did or did not.
Yep this is just obvious I think. What’s said in public often won’t reflect exactly with what’s said behind closed doors.
Snowflake generation. Saw it happen at work in my last few years. when the going gets tough...walk away 'its too hard!'
Well he’s been here for five games. Five whole games, and we’re still not much better. What would you do if you were him? Throw away the rest of your career and your life when you’ve already worked hard at it for (checks calendar) almost 3 weeks and it’s not better yet???!!!
Exactly. So there is no point judging him based on public comments that he believes in the players.
I didn't succeed instantly, so I quit.
I didnt say he should resign, I said if he chose to resign I wouldnt blame him given the absolute mess he has above him and fact the person he was supposed to be working with has been fired 5 games in to his tenure.
Ruben has been put in a bad position by this club and I wouldnt blame him for putting his career and reputation first and walking away.
Hit the nail on the head. See those succeed around them and think success comes easy without putting hard work in. First sign of failure and they’re out.
Separate sources say Ashworth was not involved in the process of selecting Amorim and that he recommended a move for former England manager Gareth Southgate, with whom he worked at the Football Association between 2013-18.
Feels like us sacking Ashworth is a big vote of confidence in Amorim.
Feels like us sacking Ashworth is a big vote of confidence in Amorim.
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We're still looking better in general play, I feel positive that we have a good manager. The forward line is terrible though.
I'm confused, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're suggesting that Amorim should come in and say he doesn't believe in his inherited squad, the one he has to work with for most of our season?
He has to say he believe in his squad, he should be planning a overhaul and be ruthless about it when planning for next year.
I know I am asking for the impossible, but I really want Amorim to achieve something with this squad, make them better somehow, we need it, I know we should bin 85% of this squad, I'll personally want all gone except Yoro, Maz, Amad, Mainoo and Ugarte, Onana as well, but we can't do that in one or 2 summers, so he has to get something out of this squad.
Fair enough!
I hope we can get him at least one good signing in the January transfer window.
The most obvious one seems like an attacking left wing back but everyone has to agree on the signing.
Other areas are needed but I think that is a key position in his system and where this team is lacking.
The most obvious one seems like an attacking left wing back but everyone has to agree on the signing.
Other areas are needed but I think that is a key position in his system and where this team is lacking.
??? What are you talking about? “Explaining away” isn’t a literal “you’re buying a ticket and putting the stats on a bus and sending them to a different city so they no longer matter”. It’s a turn of phrase to highlight that you’re contextualising the stats - I said as much in that sentence.
The statement made was “scoreline aside”. You do realise that, right? That qualifier is there for a reason. You seemingly just waffled throughout this exchange despite misunderstanding a lot of simple things - see above.
I made a particular statement corroborated by almost every possible in-game metric, why wouldn’t I point out said metrics? Again, what I said isn’t contingent on xG alone - and United’s was higher anyway. “Possession doesn’t mean feck all”, yeah well, possession didn’t happen in a vacuum - if United rocks up anywhere and cedes/doesn’t have control of majority of the game - and the manager is on record post-match saying “we held on to the end as best as we could”, I’d be saying the same about United.
Agreed.
The players will just get bored of losing with the new system and down tools until he resorts to what they want. They can't get rid of ALL of them, right?
Anyway just accept the mediocrity now. It's who we are.
Anyway just accept the mediocrity now. It's who we are.
I feel sorry for Ruben.
Instead of getting support and stability, he will now have to deal with absolute turmoil and incompetency running throughout the club from the players all the way up to the owners.
If we are being very honest, theres not a fecking chance he will be successful here.
Instead of getting support and stability, he will now have to deal with absolute turmoil and incompetency running throughout the club from the players all the way up to the owners.
If we are being very honest, theres not a fecking chance he will be successful here.
Mate you are worse than me! Whatever you mean with contextualising the stats, all I did was telling you that my personal opinion is that they don't mean that we were the better team. I seriously don't know why that is difficult to understand. If you wouldn't have acted as if opinion is evident, I couldn't care less about your eyetest. Just as much as you can about mine.
I think, it is rather you, who intentionally misunderstand the points I am trying to make. I explicitly don't know why, as I pointed out multiple times, you can have any opinion you want. I understood your posts very well. You were the one trying to sell your opinion as evident. That was all I reacted to. It was a mistake, I get it. Apparently you interpreted that as something personal. Be assured, it wasn't.
I don't know. The ones you pointed out all implied we had better numbers, but, and this is the 3rd time I write this, doesn't mean we had to be the better team.
Do you even read my posts?
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Mate, lets leave it at that. I stepped on a landmine apparently. Again, in the most basic words I am able to phrase it in: You win football matches when you have scored more times than your opponent when the match time is done. So a team does well when it scores well and prevents the opponent to score. As football is a lowscoring sport, it make sense to use chance creation as alternative metric to evaluate a performance. A team performs well when it creates high probability chances and prevents the opponent from doing the same. Possession, shots on goal, field tilt, yellow cards, tackles, passes, corners - thats all stuff that happens along the way and feeds into whether you can or can not manage your own chances and the ones from your opponent. In yesterdays game, xG indicates, that we created more chances than the opponent. So the assumption we might have been the better team is understandable but weak, because when you look at it, most of our xG originates from one fecking double chance in the 18th minute. After that, we didn't create anything of note, more or less the same as NFO. But they score twice while we score only once. You can't tell me, that this rational is impossible to understand for you. You don't have to agree to it, thats fine, but acting as if "everything indicates my eyetest is correct and we were the better team and there is no question about it" (hence the evident) does my head in.
Scoreline aside - as corroborated by almost every possible in game metric, including but not solely xG, and alluded to by Forest's manager's own words - United was the better team yesterday despite Forest winning. All possible within the sport of football
Feel Sorry for him. Must be wondering what's going on with the Ashworth situation, especially with January window coming up