Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

UpWithRivers said:
History. You can see it through every manager that they have to play youth players especially the Golden boy youth player. This is why United are so fkd. We are adamant that our identity is youth players making it to the first team and winning trophies. Class of 99, Busby babes etc. But this philosophy is flawed because this happens very rarely. Dont get me wrong Id fking love another class of 99 action. But that shouldn't be our philosophy. Waiting and forcing it to happen. If a player doesn't fit then he should go. End of. Even if they are star boys from the youth.
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I dont think he'll be pressured by the board or something to do so. Maybe with ETH was all about him thinking he'll make it work. Hopefully Amorim wont force it and he doesnt strike me as someone who'll play out of form players just to prove something.
 
When he says he's open to changing formations, does that mean he's likely doubting his system can work, or something else
 
giggs-beckham said:
When he says he's open to changing formations, does that mean he's likely doubting his system can work, or something else
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I think he meant we need to be more fluid in the way we play throughout a match, because he mentioned something along the lines of "we defended in a 442 during the Ipswich match". So he probably meant we can start in a 343 and change to other formations throughout the match when needed.
 
JBG said:
I think he meant we need to be more fluid in the way we play throughout a match, because he mentioned something along the lines of "we defended in a 442 during the Ipswich match". So he probably meant we can start in a 343 and change to other formations throughout the match when needed.
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Yea that's what I thought. I was just wondering why he said it if we were already doing it?
 
No formation is set in stone and in modern game formations can be changed during the game multiple times.
 
UpWithRivers said:
History. You can see it through every manager that they have to play youth players especially the Golden boy youth player. This is why United are so fkd. We are adamant that our identity is youth players making it to the first team and winning trophies. Class of 99, Busby babes etc. But this philosophy is flawed because this happens very rarely. Dont get me wrong Id fking love another class of 99 action. But that shouldn't be our philosophy. Waiting and forcing it to happen. If a player doesn't fit then he should go. End of. Even if they are star boys from the youth.
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Not necessarily youth players. I remember when LvG insisted on playing Rooney no matter what and he had to come out and defend his team selections to the media. Think it was the 14/15 season when the wheels started to come off for Rooney and he put in 3/10 performances most weeks but still started almost every game.
Don`t know if we are desperate to protect our highest profile players or what it can be but it doesn`t help the teams performances at all.
 
Manager has his work cut out. Under performing players, issues with discipline, and lack of technical players.
 
Real Name said:
No formation is set in stone and in modern game formations can be changed during the game multiple times.
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Agreed. In game formations change.

What is set in stone is the structure, which is what we are missing. Amorim kind of described it in his last presser. Players knowing where the team mates are on and off the ball is more important than formations.
 
Apologies if already posted, but this is actually really good analysis from Carra:



As a neutral observer that looks pretty promising to me, given he's only had a week to work with most of these players there already seems to me to be more of a system in place than anything I could make sense of under ETH (particularly towards the end). Amorim is clearly very principled and has great confidence in his philosophy and setup, and will push the players to buy into that from day 1. Conviction, direction and identify is what Utd need installed by a manager who is likeable, respected and that the players will therefore trust and I think the early signs here are encouraging.

This clip in particular does really highlight the need for more energetic and mobile midfield players who can cover ground and be decisive in pressing high up the pitch. Casemiro to me looks like the odd man out here, whilst Mainoo might take a bit of time to develop in this role. If he can actually stay fit, I could see Mount playing a lot as the #8 for this reason alongside Ugarte. Also think it's possible that Bruno could play as the #8 in some games if the role is largely simplified from a defensive standpoint to aggressively press the opposition midfield man-to-man without worrying about spacing too much, and because I don't actually think he's a particularly great fit in the #10 position given he doesn't really carry the ball into the final third as others have highlighted.

Similarly prioritising pace and mobility in the backline is clearly vital - hopefully the likes of Yoro and Martinez are back fit soon so we get to see these different combinations in practice, but I'd imagine there might be a need for at least 1 more CB option come the summer who is a better fit for this system (and given the likes of Maguire, Lindelof and Evans may all leave anyway).

It certainly looks like a bold, attractive and aggressive brand of football though which is going to be very interesting to watch develop.
 
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Couldn't put my finger on it on who he reminded me of but finally got it.

Looks quite a bit like the el salvadorian president.
 
romufc said:
Agreed. In game formations change.

What is set in stone is the structure, which is what we are missing. Amorim kind of described it in his last presser. Players knowing where the team mates are on and off the ball is more important than formations.
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Totally agree, he said many times right structure and players understanding is the key and they can change formations according to the needs.

Not only this but the way he made Rashford accountable by saying its how much Rashford wants + the way he put EdSheeran in place by saying Roy Keane was the real star-- shows Amorim got something about him and winning trophies can make him more confident.
 
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Bobby_2024 said:
Totally agree, he saiod many times right structure and players understanding is the key and they can chjange formations according to the needs.

Not only this but the way he made Rashford accountable by saying its how much Rashford wants + the way he put EdSheeran in place by saying Roy Keane was the real star-- shows Amorim got something about him and with winning something he can become more confident and he can handle media like SAF.
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Yup, but I have learn my lesson, talk can be very cheap. We have seen managers come in and give the large one. Fittest team, best transition team, pressing, possession, control and none of them delivered.

I liken the job and managers as politics, say the most to get fans on side, win a few big games and then stink out the place.

This time, I am not falling for that and will judge it based on performances and results.

We gave our managers too much time and too many excuses whilst other managers have come in and hit the ground running. Maresca, Ange, Slot, Emry, Hurzeler have all got a style within 3 months of being in the job.

We cannot wait 2 years to see a style.
 
romufc said:
Yup, but I have learn my lesson, talk can be very cheap. We have seen managers come in and give the large one. Fittest team, best transition team, pressing, possession, control and none of them delivered.

I liken the job and managers as politics, say the most to get fans on side, win a few big games and then stink out the place.

This time, I am not falling for that and will judge it based on performances and results.

We gave our managers too much time and too many excuses whilst other managers have come in and hit the ground running. Maresca, Ange, Slot, Emry, Hurzeler have all got a style within 3 months of being in the job.

We cannot wait 2 years to see a style.
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I agree we should expect to see Amorims influence a lot faster than some of our earlier managers accomplished, if they did at all. However, we need to remember that he has taken over mid-season and has a lot less time on the training ground to implement this stuff. I like that he says that he will go for his style and not compromise, and that it might be painful in the short term but a lot better in a year than if he would've compromised. EtH compromised after two games, which worked for a while, but made it a lot harder to go back.
 
romufc said:
Yup, but I have learn my lesson, talk can be very cheap. We have seen managers come in and give the large one. Fittest team, best transition team, pressing, possession, control and none of them delivered.

I liken the job and managers as politics, say the most to get fans on side, win a few big games and then stink out the place.

This time, I am not falling for that and will judge it based on performances and results.

We gave our managers too much time and too many excuses whilst other managers have come in and hit the ground running. Maresca, Ange, Slot, Emry, Hurzeler have all got a style within 3 months of being in the job.

We cannot wait 2 years to see a style.
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Other managers got a style in 3 months because their players are willing to play that way. Amorim is already seeing how some players in the squad dont want it enough (rashford comment). Then you have players like Bruno who publicly says that he won’t change his style. Then you have perennially injured players like Shaw and Lindelof, players who can never maintain concentration (Dalot) and washed players in Evans, Casemiro and Eriksen (harsh on these because they give their all but dont have legs anymore)

Imo he should build his team around the new recruits (ten hag signings excluding season 1) and youngsters. They seem to give a feck. If he wastes time trying to get a tune out of the above mentioned problematic players then there will be no style and he will be sacked in 2 years time.
 
The Firestarter said:
Not sure what you mean here, but he is not going to change his basic system (philosophy) for short term results, he said this very clearly.
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What I mean is that he will stick by the basic principles but he will tweak it to suit his players for a result. Something Ten Hag was incapable of doing.
 
Real Name said:
I dont think he'll be pressured by the board or something to do so. Maybe with ETH was all about him thinking he'll make it work. Hopefully Amorim wont force it and he doesnt strike me as someone who'll play out of form players just to prove something.
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I think what Rashford needs is to know that this could be his last season and he needs to work his way off the bench back to even being a starter, not a star player, a starter as that what his form and output and body language deserve. Then hopefully we will either see a motivated player or we will finally know we are making the right decision to marginalise him.

He doesn’t work at all as a wing back a 10 or a striker. This system and manager will be the undoing of him if he doesn’t try to become more selfless and physical presence on the pitch and a leader off the pitch. Ashworth and Co can see this miles away if your average fan can then I’d say they are itching to get a more suitable player into the forward line who can hopefully make everyone around them better instead of dragging the collective down.
 
Hoof the ball said:
Did Amorim really list his forwards and leave out Antony and/or Zirkzee?
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He left out Garnacho and Antony, bdcause they aren’t strikers. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

More tslling is what he said abpuu Rashford.
 
Ali Dia said:
I think what Rashford needs is to know that this could be his last season and he needs to work his way off the bench back to even being a starter, not a star player, a starter as that what his form and output and body language deserve. Then hopefully we will either see a motivated player or we will finally know we are making the right decision to marginalise him.

He doesn’t work at all as a wing back a 10 or a striker. This system and manager will be the undoing of him if he doesn’t try to become more selfless and physical presence on the pitch and a leader off the pitch. Ashworth and Co can see this miles away if your average fan can then I’d say they are itching to get a more suitable player into the forward line who can hopefully make everyone around them better instead of dragging the collective down.
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Agreed.
 
Trophy Room said:
1 game and some are losing their shit. I finally saw some structure. Far more secure in the second half. When was the last time we had over 60% possession? Better linking up. Maz was brilliant. De ligt is underrated. No cutting edge up front though. Goals remain our problem but the movements up front were better.
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This. Add to that the expected improvement of the team spirit due to Amorim’s man management and you have a promising and more solid foundation to build on. He needs time, but you could already see changes for the better, and I expect us to become much better structured, hard working and entertaining to watch during the next month or two. We might not finish higher than mid table this season, but hopefully we can all see vast improvements in performances come summer and start the next season full of optimism and believe after a few upgrades in the transfer window.
 
NLunited said:
He left out Garnacho and Antony, bdcause they aren’t strikers. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

More tslling is what he said abpuu Rashford.
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Rashford is in serious trouble based on his quotes.

He can't play wingback.
He's a terrible fit for one of the two no. 10 positions, and Amorim made it clear that he can't handle no. 9
 
Hoof the ball said:
Rashford is in serious trouble based on his quotes.

He can't play wingback.
He's a terrible fit for one of the two no. 10 positions, and Amorim made it clear that he can't handle no. 9
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He could adapt to one of the ten positions.

What is telling is that Amorim said Rashford has to want it, to get back to his best form.
 
NLunited said:
He could adapt to one of the ten positions.

What is telling is that Amorim said Rashford has to want it, to get back to his best form.
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#10 presses a lot more in the Amorim system and is more involved in link up play. Rashford can’t do either.
 
I think there's promise in Rashford upfront, we know he can make the runs when he's on it, and can finish. When he has his confidence, he's fast and can find the goal
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Other managers got a style in 3 months because their players are willing to play that way. Amorim is already seeing how some players in the squad dont want it enough (rashford comment). Then you have players like Bruno who publicly says that he won’t change his style. Then you have perennially injured players like Shaw and Lindelof, players who can never maintain concentration (Dalot) and washed players in Evans, Casemiro and Eriksen (harsh on these because they give their all but dont have legs anymore)

Imo he should build his team around the new recruits (ten hag signings excluding season 1) and youngsters. They seem to give a feck. If he wastes time trying to get a tune out of the above mentioned problematic players then there will be no style and he will be sacked in 2 years time.
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Again, its just excuses by us United fans. If players are not willing, dont play them, that is what other top managers do.

Its actually false what you have said btw.. Chelsea had Potter and Poch and those players did not show a style, yet Maresca took over and showed style, so that theory is out the window.

Where has Bruno publicly said he wont change his style? I have read that he is perfectly capable of changing style because he plays different styles. Can you show me a link where Bruno specifically says he wont change how he plays?
 
RDCR07 said:
#10 presses a lot more in the Amorim system and is more involved in link up play. Rashford can’t do either.
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A tweak in tactics could allow Rashford to play in one of the 10 positions. Try him as a left inside forward and have the striker play a false nine role.

Just thinking out loud. Or we could sent him on his way, if he’s not into football anymore.
 
Hoof the ball said:
Rashford is in serious trouble based on his quotes.

He can't play wingback.
He's a terrible fit for one of the two no. 10 positions, and Amorim made it clear that he can't handle no. 9
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He's not the only one. If we're being honest Garnacho could also be a casualty in this system, but at least in his case he's still young enough to adapt to one of the two no.10 roles or even wingback if he's willing.
 
Kaos said:
He's not the only one. If we're being honest Garnacho could also be a casualty in this system, but at least in his case he's still young enough to adapt to one of the two no.10 roles or even wingback if he's willing.
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You can't coach Garnacho to have the traits required to be a good number 10. He doesn't have the technical faculties in order to do so.

He's not going to last here.
 
There are a number of players whose futures are in doubt. Intensity is one of the basic requirements for the coach, and a number of players are either unable or unwilling to adopt.
 
dubplate warrior said:
You can't coach Garnacho to have the traits required to be a good number 10. He doesn't have the technical faculties in order to do so.

He's not going to last here.
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Its funny amorim said he learned Garnacho played well between the lines, but I didnt think that was the case from the match vs Ipswich.
 
He is doing a lot of interviews. Need to get him off the camera and in the office. This is ridiculous from United to put pressure on the coach.
 
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