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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Difference being Ajax lost their best players, Sporting have not (yet).
Yeah after half the team left
Or you know the signings were made because those above ETH also agreed about signing those players? They are the ultimate decision makers and they could have easily stopped the deals if it didn't make sense for them as well.
"Giving him".
So are we already writing off Mazraoui, De Ligt, Ugarte, Yoro and Zirkzee? Amorim can't improve them? Quick change the head coach then cause we've got another who can't get the best out of the players.
Or do you they are so useless and it was purely down to luck that Mazraoui and De Ligt ended up playing for Bayern, Ugarte for PSG and Yoro and Zirkzee being key players for their teams which qualified for CL?
Whilst
There is a difference between useless and fits the style of the coach. Why do you think Bayern got rid of Mazraoui and De Ligt and PSG Ugarte? Thats right. Didnt fit the coaches/managers system. Not that they were bad players. Only Man Utd persist with fitting in players to systems they dont suit.Or you know the signings were made because those above ETH also agreed about signing those players? They are the ultimate decision makers and they could have easily stopped the deals if it didn't make sense for them as well.
"Giving him".
So are we already writing off Mazraoui, De Ligt, Ugarte, Yoro and Zirkzee? Amorim can't improve them? Quick change the head coach then cause we've got another who can't get the best out of the players.
Or do you they are so useless and it was purely down to luck that Mazraoui and De Ligt ended up playing for Bayern, Ugarte for PSG and Yoro and Zirkzee being key players for their teams which qualified for CL?
He clearly looks disguised seeing our players train.
Hopefully he hasnt already done a 180 and gave up on his preferred formation.
Its not about whether we have bought good/bad players. Its about having a squad that fits the style of play of the manager. There's no point having great inverting fullbacks like Dalot/Mazraoui, when the new managers needs wingbacks. Or how among all our 6 CBs, arguably only 2 of them fits the new managers style of play. Or getting a 9.5, or having wingers like Rashford/Garnacho when we need inside forwards. Our squad is simply not built for Amorim ball(yet), and that's okay. What's not okay is we wasted the summer, when we could have shaped our squad to his style, and got a proper preseason in.Or you know the signings were made because those above ETH also agreed about signing those players? They are the ultimate decision makers and they could have easily stopped the deals if it didn't make sense for them as well.
"Giving him".
So are we already writing off Mazraoui, De Ligt, Ugarte, Yoro and Zirkzee? Amorim can't improve them? Quick change the head coach then cause we've got another who can't get the best out of the players.
Or do you they are so useless and it was purely down to luck that Mazraoui and De Ligt ended up playing for Bayern, Ugarte for PSG and Yoro and Zirkzee being key players for their teams which qualified for CL?
Injuries(Mazraoui) and high salary(De Ligt)? People are just being silly if they think we signed these players because of ETH and those above him didn't consider the fact ETH won't be around come the end of the season.
These players were signed because Ashworth, Berrada and co. also believed they were improvements to our squad so it's upto the head coach now to get the best of them.
Will Amorims system work? Probably. We are way too early to draw any meaningful conclusions about how the players fit/don't fit his system. And if he is as highly rated as he is, he should be able to coach these players to fit into his system. Apart from one or two players I don't see these players as being uncoachable.
Want want want is what this post is.
Firstly, Mazroui can play anywhere.. so I am not sure why you think he is an inverting player. Secondly, Dalot in his loan spell played RWB at Milan.
Finally, we did not sign Rashford/ Garnacho and Zikzee is a 9.5 who needs time to adapt.
Out of the 6 CB's 2 fit his stye? De Ligt is a good ball playing CB for the CCB role, Yoro is a good CB for the RCB role, Licha is okay for LCB..
Finally, I dont know how many times it has to be said that Amorim wanted to stay an extra season at Sporting is the first point. On top of that, we didn't even have our structure sorted until mid July when pre season had already started.
This is not football manager.
We have a really good keeper for this style.
Yoro is really well suited to the RCB role and Mazraoui can do an excellent job there too.
De Ligt is an excellent option for the central CB role and Maguire offers a good back up.
Martinez will be superb as a passing LCB. I don’t see how people don’t see that as a good fit once he’s comfortable in the role. Shaw is a really good back up there.
Wingbacks is an issue because we haven’t had to have them before. Dalot and Malacia are options in the short term but this will obviously have to be addressed.
Ugarte and Mainoo are great options for the two deeper midfielders. Eriksen and Casemiro will have to be replaced but that would be true for any coach and any system.
Bruno, Amad and Mount are fantastic options for the two no10 spots.
Hojlund has all the tools for Amorim to shape him into a great option at 9.
What this is going to take is time. We will need greater depth in certain areas and wingbacks will need to be addressed, but first and foremost is an acceptance that fellas aren’t going to look the finished article in a new system after a weeks training.
There are players that might not ever be great fits for the system. Personally I suspect Rashford and Garnacho may not be here in 2 years time. But we do have 15 or 16 players who are perfectly well suited to flourishing in this setup as well as a great crop of young talent ready to break through in the next couple of years. All the doom and gloom and declarations that everyone and everything is shit are way OTT.
Yoro is really well suited to the RCB role and Mazraoui can do an excellent job there too.
De Ligt is an excellent option for the central CB role and Maguire offers a good back up.
Martinez will be superb as a passing LCB. I don’t see how people don’t see that as a good fit once he’s comfortable in the role. Shaw is a really good back up there.
Wingbacks is an issue because we haven’t had to have them before. Dalot and Malacia are options in the short term but this will obviously have to be addressed.
Ugarte and Mainoo are great options for the two deeper midfielders. Eriksen and Casemiro will have to be replaced but that would be true for any coach and any system.
Bruno, Amad and Mount are fantastic options for the two no10 spots.
Hojlund has all the tools for Amorim to shape him into a great option at 9.
What this is going to take is time. We will need greater depth in certain areas and wingbacks will need to be addressed, but first and foremost is an acceptance that fellas aren’t going to look the finished article in a new system after a weeks training.
There are players that might not ever be great fits for the system. Personally I suspect Rashford and Garnacho may not be here in 2 years time. But we do have 15 or 16 players who are perfectly well suited to flourishing in this setup as well as a great crop of young talent ready to break through in the next couple of years. All the doom and gloom and declarations that everyone and everything is shit are way OTT.
Thank you for saving me some time. Too many of the posters have written off our squad and think that we spunked a load on "ETH signings".
I'd say even Maguire is suited for the CCB. Didn't Sporting play with Coates there who is even slower than Maguire?
Amorim himself said Mount played in this type of system before so there's another player there.
Hojlund has many good attributes to be his Gyokeres-lite here.
He has Ugarte who he already worked with at Sporting before.
Mainoo who is still young enough to be moulded into the type of player he wants.
So yea, there's plenty for Amorim to work with here. And then we have new Sporting fans coming into this forum and say our squad is a shower of shite and then our own fans writing off our new signings.
You’ve managed to take a whole lot from the tiny thing I said which was all to do with sticking with Ten Hag, nothing to do with who was signed.Or you know the signings were made because those above ETH also agreed about signing those players? They are the ultimate decision makers and they could have easily stopped the deals if it didn't make sense for them as well.
"Giving him".
So are we already writing off Mazraoui, De Ligt, Ugarte, Yoro and Zirkzee? Amorim can't improve them? Quick change the head coach then cause we've got another who can't get the best out of the players.
Or do you they are so useless and it was purely down to luck that Mazraoui and De Ligt ended up playing for Bayern, Ugarte for PSG and Yoro and Zirkzee being key players for their teams which qualified for CL?
Its because you didn't understand how it all works.
Ajax lost like 5 starting players the summer ETH left, this is the same Sporting Amorim had.
Huh are you alright? You can patronize me all you like but I don’t know why you think you’re in a position to talk down to me. I wanted Ten Hag gone in the summer, that’s the long and short of it, nothing more.
You responded to a post saying ETH was kept and given another 200m to waste this summer. Probably should have clarified it better than your issue with the decision was with keeping ETH and not regarding the transfers.
Already did that fella, and you’re still rattling on. Nothing more to say xx
I am not talking down on you.. Well done you wanted him gone but keep bringing up... "We should have got Amorim in the summer" is not really right is it?
By continuously saying it, it wont make it true or change alot of the facts that you keep ignoring..
you are right , this has no logic
Smart man.
Took one game for him to realise Rashford isn't a striker. Gives me hope he sees things so clearly so quickly. Hope he's quick enough to change it if it isn't working for too long.
I am pretty sure Eth also realised some of the things pretty quickly (I mean if it's evident for random blokes in front of a screen...) however he was stubborn as a donkey before a bridge...
Not sure why you think I'm rattling when all I'm saying is my initial response wouldn't be here if your post had more clarity in the first place. It was a misunderstanding because of your post. But sure, you do you.
Ineos bought good players: they are all technically more proficient than the players we have, and physical. The only one I have doubts about is Zirkzee, who may be too slow for the PL. Time will tell.Or you know the signings were made because those above ETH also agreed about signing those players? They are the ultimate decision makers and they could have easily stopped the deals if it didn't make sense for them as well.
"Giving him".
So are we already writing off Mazraoui, De Ligt, Ugarte, Yoro and Zirkzee? Amorim can't improve them? Quick change the head coach then cause we've got another who can't get the best out of the players.
Or do you they are so useless and it was purely down to luck that Mazraoui and De Ligt ended up playing for Bayern, Ugarte for PSG and Yoro and Zirkzee being key players for their teams which qualified for CL?
Yea, I'm hopeful for now. He knows the issues already so his job is to now address them. If he persists with something that is clearly not working for a long time then I'll lose faith in him.
Shut up Ruben. Sancho fans will come out of the closet and spin it as an insult to the player.
Ruben is a realist. A results oriented philosophy coach. I think that's a dream combo.
Hold the press. Sancho still has fans? Who? And why?
I think it’s super kneejerk if people are saying his 3-4-3 won’t work. I have more confidence in it working than with previous managers as we have a proper football setup in place this time, and not Woodward/Arnold/Glazers sitting in the back hoping for the best (i.e. miracles). The likes of Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox etc have most likely analysed this way forward inside and out.
Not sure what he means with those comments re. Rashford. Acknowledges his best position isn't upfront, but it's also quite obvious he isn't a ten to sit in behind either.
He basically saying he has to be better upfront or he's got no place in the squad?
He basically saying he has to be better upfront or he's got no place in the squad?
Not sure what you mean here, but he is not going to change his basic system (philosophy) for short term results, he said this very clearly.
Kind of.
1st of all, both games weren't that different in the 1st half. What changed was arsenal scored on the chances they had while city didn't. We could have been 3-0 down at half time with city as well, but not only didn't they score more, they let Gyökeres loose twice, which he capitalized once.
Again, like against city, we started the 2nd half strong. We scored once, had a few more chances, but didn't score again. And again, like in the city game, they got a penalty. Haaland missed, Saka didn't. That 4th goal killed any potential comeback.
Lastly, I don't want to crap on our players, but Pedro "Pote" Gonçalves was a very important piece of our win against city. Yesterday we played with Marcus Edwards, who's very inconsistent and had a real stinker.
All this to say that yes, Amorim leaving at this time was a blow, and yes, the new manager is still getting his bearings on the massive job he has ahead, but both games were very similar, we just didn't have fortune on our side yesterday like we did 3 weeks ago.
Lastly, it's interesting seeing those interactions in training. They did that A LOT here, with players getting "punished" by running the gauntlet when they break the rules.
I genuinely believe some of our players think by default of being a Man United player they have made it. They are contented being superstars with big paychecks and winning is just secondary to them. The hunger and desire to win and keep winning is desperately lacking. Ruben is right. We need people like Roy Keane so much in the dressing room.
Not even sure it's just "our fans"....i think it's just that a fair share of humans are just genuinely thick.
We're probably no thicker than other fan bases on proportion but our thickos are more magnified. Giving everyone a voice within a very large fanbase is a terrible idea.
Thank you for being objective. I didn't felt there was much difference in the general performance between both the games. As you said, fortune was on your side against City.
Yeah, I'd say due to the sheer size of our fanbase, we're probably one of the few clubs who'd veer closer to the societal mean in this metric (whatever that mean would be). Alas, even after just 1 away game & after 2 training sessions, plus a change in formation plus limited squad selection options....it's still extremely fascinating to see/read some opinions/reactions based on just that 1 game...
The questions about his formation must be absolutely infuriating at this point. Every second question is about it. Nevermind that formations are fluid and shift depending on whether you're defending and attacking and the general flow of the game.
The way journalists talk, it's like they're just trying to imply '3 centre back baaaaad, 2 centre back goooooooooooood. Apes together strong"
The way journalists talk, it's like they're just trying to imply '3 centre back baaaaad, 2 centre back goooooooooooood. Apes together strong"
Absolutely.
Plus, arsenal came better prepared. They saw what city had done wrong, and considering they were only on 7 points in 4 games, they had to deliver if they wanted to qualify in the top 8.
The real test is on Saturday, where we host Santa Clara. They've been having a decent season, and we need to shake off that game if we want to keep pushing for a 2nd title in a row.
The lad who was giving Garnacho constructive criticism. Him and his possy, I must admit I watch a few of their videos just to see how low some fans football IQ is and how big the agendas are.
They kept saying Sancho is the best dribbler in the PL because he had a few dribbles for Chelsea on his debut and that 1 game against PSG.