He seems pragmatic, recognising that we have a bit of a Frankenstein's monster squad of players and we have to be flexible in our approach to accommodate some of them. Much better than Ten Hag's stubborn, rigid approach.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I understand the quick to throw digs at Ten Hag when you have a new shiny toy but lets calm down and see how Amorim gets on.
Ten Hag started the same way, he changed his style in 2 games and was flexible.
Every manager talks a good game and in the first 20 games will change things as they are getting to know the players, its only once they are settled you will be able to judge all of this.
I do hope he sticks to his principles in his identity for style of football he is trying to change at the club.
If there are players in the current squad not capable to change or be flexible just get rid.
There is no one in that current squad that as fan will be disappointed if we move on. I'm sure he will get someone else in to replace them and do the job thats required.
I'm fully backing him and look forward to a change.
Not like we been blowing teams away with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 over the last few years just to suit the current crop players there.
If certain players not going pull their weight then shift them on.
If there are players in the current squad not capable to change or be flexible just get rid.
There is no one in that current squad that as fan will be disappointed if we move on. I'm sure he will get someone else in to replace them and do the job thats required.
I'm fully backing him and look forward to a change.
Not like we been blowing teams away with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 over the last few years just to suit the current crop players there.
If certain players not going pull their weight then shift them on.
We have a lot of players that can fit this style, but also many that don't. I said it before he came, that Rashford has no place in these tactics. He can't play CF, he's not a 10, his work rate is way too low for the pressing required, and his ego won't let him play as a WB and he wouldn't be good there anyway. There's no where for else for him. He's going to need to kick on with his work rate to even have a chance to be in the attacking 3. It only took a single game for Ruben to realize this and I hope he applies the same ruthlessness to the rest of the squad. I'm happy to give this man the rest of the season to get things sorted as long as he doesn't abandon his principles like ETH did.
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?
Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter
Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.
It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.
He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.
He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.
I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter
Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.
It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.
He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.
He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.
I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
For those not all that familiar with our esteemed football journalists, Stone is the one you hear at pressers stretching out his questions in that slow tortured way like he is asking the most profound question ever put to a football manager. Insufferable tosser.
Jamie Jackson is a bigger prick. You should see his questions for the last match and this one. He is trying so hard to come off as a hard questioner but he is so stupid he just comes off as a twat and a prick!
I mean it is true though. Rightly or wrongly it's a part of the job and he will need to manage that aspect accordingly. I don't think it will have any impact on how he does here, it's just a bit of an initial culture shock.
And he is on a monster contract so impossible to sell.
Fans should let these people know..
Jackson is trying really hard to get him to throw the players under the bus. He asks such horribly leading questions that he thinks are clever and will trick Amorim into saying something that he can spin to suit his agenda. But his questions are so asinine and obvious.
Rashford will somehow survive yet another manager. I just hope Amorim can get the best out of him. The early goal was a huge positive, but like the rest of the team, he failed to capitalise on it.
Every question begins with 'eeeeerrgghhh'
I hope the fans and club have the patience for him and I hope his ideas dont take too long to implement or get thru the thick skulls of our low IQ knobheads
He is rightfully voiced concern around and trying to fix the basics - our players have terrible passing skills, they look uncomfortable in possession, make terrible choices in attack , dont know how to press etc etc
He is rightfully voiced concern around and trying to fix the basics - our players have terrible passing skills, they look uncomfortable in possession, make terrible choices in attack , dont know how to press etc etc
moaned? The standards of the English Sports "journalism" these days.
Missed the point a bit.
A few sessions in and he knows exactly where we lack. Great comment on Rashford too
"'tain't what you say it's the way that you say it" was the point being made here.
The Rashford comment is interesting. I did think that his best hope to feature for the team in the future was to be more of a centre forward because of the new formation but it seems like it's a firm no on him being a regular starter there.
Good post. I hope Sporting gets lots of new followers- I for one will have a soft spot (unless they are against MUFC)
Yeah I’d say that was his best hope, but it was also fairly clear that he was going to struggle in that role - how Amorim wants his CF to play it anyway. Hold up, link up, back to goal, get physically involved with the CB’s, running the channels etc.
Rashford could possibly do the running the channels well (even then, it seems he’s lost a yard or two), but he struggles with just about all the rest, with the big criticism also his lack of intensity without the ball over a 90 min period.
Some lovely videos on social media today. Hazing the injured players and building chemistry.
For me it points towards trying him somewhere else and if he doesn't 'want it' can leave. I think the bit at the end, 'if he wants it' is pretty telling.
Im encouraged by this approach. His good mate Mourinho would of told him Rash can't be the main striker, well anyway, took him one game to realise it for himself. I think his days are numbered and he won't be missed.
I thought it was damning. Like you, I thought he'd fit in as a striker as he doesn't have the workrate to start as a LWB. That leaves only one position - where Garnacho started - as an option for him. And I think we have better options than Rashford to play there.
Also, imo, it opens a window of opportunity for Zirkzee to start as a striker if he can be arsed and is ready to put a shift in. He hasn't shown it here yet but at Bologna holding up the ball and linking up play were his best attributes. Ruben pointed that he can't have Rashford play there against big PL CB's. With his frame, at least theoretically, Zirkzee should do better against them.
"Would you considered changing your prefered 3-4-3 formation"
I hate bullshit questions like this. It's hypocritical as feck. Whenever there is a manager whose 'prefered' formation is a 4-2-3-1 there's ZERO questions from both the press AND the fans alike as to whether they'd consider using another formation, but when it comes to someone who prefers 3-4-3, apparently they're the ones who have to adapt. Hypocrites.
Feck that. Religiously married to anything with 4 at the back, as though that's the default everyone should be using.
I hate bullshit questions like this. It's hypocritical as feck. Whenever there is a manager whose 'prefered' formation is a 4-2-3-1 there's ZERO questions from both the press AND the fans alike as to whether they'd consider using another formation, but when it comes to someone who prefers 3-4-3, apparently they're the ones who have to adapt. Hypocrites.
Feck that. Religiously married to anything with 4 at the back, as though that's the default everyone should be using.
In his first season yes Ten Hag was pragmatic and flexible and look what happened, 3rd place finish. Then he threw it all away in his second season by implementing that weird 4-1-4-1 system and refusing to budge from it until the FA Cup final.
Well described
I hear all the comments about fitness, I read some articles previously talking about what EtH was doing to get his players fit, his sessions were famously intense, so I think fitness wise, the players are relatively fit, What I think is the issue is the collective mentality and work ethic, I feel
So much drama, I am just waiting for him to work his magic, I am not fully on Amorim train but I am also not expecting the worse as well, he is a good coach, there are bunch of good players in the squad, hopefully something clicks and we see good football soon.
Well said especially the bolded part.
So much drama, I am just waiting for him to work his magic, I am not fully on Amorim train but I am also not expecting the worse as well, he is a good coach, there are bunch of good players in the squad, hopefully something clicks and we see good football soon.
We need to get the team working as a whole unit... then start upgrading the players to upgrade the team. The last 10 years we've behaved like one or two player will slot in and be a quick fix and all we've done is fall further behind and become more disjointed.
Pre-Amorim era was garbage for us. Both players and coaches were terrible.
Amorim landed on Sporting in The Middle of The season and finished 4th . Which was about expected, players didn't know any better
The Next season we did a shit ton of critical signings, most of which were nuclear for the league win - Pedro Porro, Pedro Gonçalves, Nuno Santos, João Mário, there was also Nuno Mendes ,Gonçalo Inácio , Tiago Tomás and Matheus Nunes promoted from Youth and João Palhinha returning from loan. I'm probably forgetting a lot! The Squad was truly revamped from One season to the Next.
Those players were very important to us and many of them are in top clubs atm.
Amorim was a great coach but he didn't do anything by his own. He also spent 2 entire seasons refusing a new striker - Paulinho is not good enough and never was, but was our only "9" for ages. Viktor Gyokeres changed our game more than Amorim ever did.
If I think we'll be better off without him? Absolutely fecking not. We are going to be much worse.
Yea the question is what position is that though? He isn't going to work as a 10, absolutely not as a cm. He either makes it work for him upfront or he gets dropped, looks like
If he has to play the likes of Rashford he's fkd. Look at Man City and Madrid. A slight change to thier team and they are fkd. Amorim has only a handful of ideal players and most of those are injury prone and then a few hopefuls that maybe can adapt. It will get better but big vision is we aren't going anywhere trying to shoehorn players into a system they don't suit.
Why do you think he'll have to play Rashford?
I often wonder how much of your success was down to Hugo Viana and your recruitment team vs Amorim and his coaching staff. Clearly Hugo did a very good job. You can see that from your net spend and the fact that he got the city job.
Hopefully, with the new leadership structure we've got, Amorim well have the same level of support or better. However, if it's worse, like it has been for several years, Amorim will probably not succeed. The only thing I expect from Amorim, is to get our team to play to it's talent level. Right now, based on talent, we're in that next bracket of 4/5 teams, after Arsenal, Liverpool and City.
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For those that follow football news and such in other countries, are formations made that much of a topic of discussion there as they are here?
Positions change throughout a match anyway, a formation is never a rigid thing. By and large the only change personnel wise is that you replace a midfielder with a CB.
I feel more confident this time around. His openness about everything and his body language and emotions after the first game felt honest.
He is young, been a player at a high level himself and knows how they players react.
Now he needs to get rid of the old and lazy ones. Promote young and establish himself.
It will take time, but this time it’s not a ”trust the process” it’s more ”don’t trust the process - do everything to make the process work”.
He is young, been a player at a high level himself and knows how they players react.
Now he needs to get rid of the old and lazy ones. Promote young and establish himself.
It will take time, but this time it’s not a ”trust the process” it’s more ”don’t trust the process - do everything to make the process work”.
History. You can see it through every manager that they have to play youth players especially the Golden boy youth player. This is why United are so fkd. We are adamant that our identity is youth players making it to the first team and winning trophies. Class of 99, Busby babes etc. But this philosophy is flawed because this happens very rarely. Dont get me wrong Id fking love another class of 99 action. But that shouldn't be our philosophy. Waiting and forcing it to happen. If a player doesn't fit then he should go. End of. Even if they are star boys from the youth.