Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

The questions about his formation must be absolutely infuriating at this point. Every second question is about it. Nevermind that formations are fluid and shift depending on whether you're defending and attacking and the general flow of the game.

The way journalists talk, it's like they're just trying to imply '3 centre back baaaaad, 2 centre back goooooooooooood. Apes together strong"
 
saik said:
Thank you for being objective. I didn't felt there was much difference in the general performance between both the games. As you said, fortune was on your side against City.
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Absolutely.
Plus, arsenal came better prepared. They saw what city had done wrong, and considering they were only on 7 points in 4 games, they had to deliver if they wanted to qualify in the top 8.
The real test is on Saturday, where we host Santa Clara. They've been having a decent season, and we need to shake off that game if we want to keep pushing for a 2nd title in a row.
 
Infra-red said:
Hold the press. Sancho still has fans? Who? And why?
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The lad who was giving Garnacho constructive criticism. Him and his possy, I must admit I watch a few of their videos just to see how low some fans football IQ is and how big the agendas are.

They kept saying Sancho is the best dribbler in the PL because he had a few dribbles for Chelsea on his debut and that 1 game against PSG.
 
He seems pragmatic, recognising that we have a bit of a Frankenstein's monster squad of players and we have to be flexible in our approach to accommodate some of them. Much better than Ten Hag's stubborn, rigid approach.
 
MattofManchester said:
The questions about his formation must be absolutely infuriating at this point. Every second question is about it. Nevermind that formations are fluid and shift depending on whether you're defending and attacking and the general flow of the game.

The way journalists talk, it's like they're just trying to imply '3 centre back baaaaad, 2 centre back goooooooooooood. Apes together strong"
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:lol:
 
Blood Mage said:
He seems pragmatic, recognising that we have a bit of a Frankenstein's monster squad of players and we have to be flexible in our approach to accommodate some of them. Much better than Ten Hag's stubborn, rigid approach.
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I understand the quick to throw digs at Ten Hag when you have a new shiny toy but lets calm down and see how Amorim gets on.

Ten Hag started the same way, he changed his style in 2 games and was flexible.

Every manager talks a good game and in the first 20 games will change things as they are getting to know the players, its only once they are settled you will be able to judge all of this.
 
I do hope he sticks to his principles in his identity for style of football he is trying to change at the club.

If there are players in the current squad not capable to change or be flexible just get rid.

There is no one in that current squad that as fan will be disappointed if we move on. I'm sure he will get someone else in to replace them and do the job thats required.

I'm fully backing him and look forward to a change.

Not like we been blowing teams away with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 over the last few years just to suit the current crop players there.

If certain players not going pull their weight then shift them on.
 
We have a lot of players that can fit this style, but also many that don't. I said it before he came, that Rashford has no place in these tactics. He can't play CF, he's not a 10, his work rate is way too low for the pressing required, and his ego won't let him play as a WB and he wouldn't be good there anyway. There's no where for else for him. He's going to need to kick on with his work rate to even have a chance to be in the attacking 3. It only took a single game for Ruben to realize this and I hope he applies the same ruthlessness to the rest of the squad. I'm happy to give this man the rest of the season to get things sorted as long as he doesn't abandon his principles like ETH did.
 
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
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For those not all that familiar with our esteemed football journalists, Stone is the one you hear at pressers stretching out his questions in that slow tortured way like he is asking the most profound question ever put to a football manager. Insufferable tosser.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
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Jamie Jackson is a bigger prick. You should see his questions for the last match and this one. He is trying so hard to come off as a hard questioner but he is so stupid he just comes off as a twat and a prick!
 
Semper Fudge said:
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
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I mean it is true though. Rightly or wrongly it's a part of the job and he will need to manage that aspect accordingly. I don't think it will have any impact on how he does here, it's just a bit of an initial culture shock.
 
PieCrust said:
We have a lot of players that can fit this style, but also many that don't. I said it before he came, that Rashford has no place in these tactics. He can't play CF, he's not a 10, his work rate is way too low for the pressing required, and his ego won't let him play as a WB and he wouldn't be good there anyway. There's no where for else for him. He's going to need to kick on with his work rate to even have a chance to be in the attacking 3. It only took a single game for Ruben to realize this and I hope he applies the same ruthlessness to the rest of the squad. I'm happy to give this man the rest of the season to get things sorted as long as he doesn't abandon his principles like ETH did.
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And he is on a monster contract so impossible to sell.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
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Fans should let these people know..
 
RDCR07 said:
Jamie Jackson is a bigger prick. You should see his questions for the last match and this one. He is trying so hard to come off as a hard questioner but he is so stupid he just comes off as a twat and a prick!
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Jackson is trying really hard to get him to throw the players under the bus. He asks such horribly leading questions that he thinks are clever and will trick Amorim into saying something that he can spin to suit his agenda. But his questions are so asinine and obvious.
 
Fanta Stick said:
For those not all that familiar with our esteemed football journalists, Stone is the one you hear at pressers stretching out his questions in that slow tortured way like he is asking the most profound question ever put to a football manager. Insufferable tosser.
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Every question begins with 'eeeeerrgghhh'
 
I hope the fans and club have the patience for him and I hope his ideas dont take too long to implement or get thru the thick skulls of our low IQ knobheads

He is rightfully voiced concern around and trying to fix the basics - our players have terrible passing skills, they look uncomfortable in possession, make terrible choices in attack , dont know how to press etc etc
 
Semper Fudge said:
Simon Stone's a cocky prick isn't he?

Simon Stone
BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

Plenty of cameras here to capture the thoughts of Ruben Amorim and Bruno Fernandes when they speak to the media shortly ahead of Manchester United's Europa League encounter with Norwegian side Bodo/Glimt.

It will be Amorim's first game at Old Trafford as United boss.

He conducted his first interview as United manager there for MUTV.

He has already moaned about the number of media engagements he has had.

I doubt the interest in United will reduce so he might be advised to get used to it.
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moaned? The standards of the English Sports "journalism" these days.
 
saivet said:
I mean it is true though. Rightly or wrongly it's a part of the job and he will need to manage that aspect accordingly. I don't think it will have any impact on how he does here, it's just a bit of an initial culture shock.
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Missed the point a bit.
 
saivet said:
I mean it is true though. Rightly or wrongly it's a part of the job and he will need to manage that aspect accordingly. I don't think it will have any impact on how he does here, it's just a bit of an initial culture shock.
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"'tain't what you say it's the way that you say it" was the point being made here.
 
The Rashford comment is interesting. I did think that his best hope to feature for the team in the future was to be more of a centre forward because of the new formation but it seems like it's a firm no on him being a regular starter there.
 
Sporting4Ever said:
Kind of.
1st of all, both games weren't that different in the 1st half. What changed was arsenal scored on the chances they had while city didn't. We could have been 3-0 down at half time with city as well, but not only didn't they score more, they let Gyökeres loose twice, which he capitalized once.
Again, like against city, we started the 2nd half strong. We scored once, had a few more chances, but didn't score again. And again, like in the city game, they got a penalty. Haaland missed, Saka didn't. That 4th goal killed any potential comeback.
Lastly, I don't want to crap on our players, but Pedro "Pote" Gonçalves was a very important piece of our win against city. Yesterday we played with Marcus Edwards, who's very inconsistent and had a real stinker.

All this to say that yes, Amorim leaving at this time was a blow, and yes, the new manager is still getting his bearings on the massive job he has ahead, but both games were very similar, we just didn't have fortune on our side yesterday like we did 3 weeks ago.

Lastly, it's interesting seeing those interactions in training. They did that A LOT here, with players getting "punished" by running the gauntlet when they break the rules.
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Good post. I hope Sporting gets lots of new followers- I for one will have a soft spot (unless they are against MUFC)
 
Irwin99 said:
The Rashford comment is interesting. I did think that his best hope to feature for the team in the future was to be more of a centre forward because of the new formation but it seems like it's a firm no on him being a regular starter there.
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Yeah I’d say that was his best hope, but it was also fairly clear that he was going to struggle in that role - how Amorim wants his CF to play it anyway. Hold up, link up, back to goal, get physically involved with the CB’s, running the channels etc.

Rashford could possibly do the running the channels well (even then, it seems he’s lost a yard or two), but he struggles with just about all the rest, with the big criticism also his lack of intensity without the ball over a 90 min period.
 
Some lovely videos on social media today. Hazing the injured players and building chemistry.
 
Womp said:
Not sure what he means with those comments re. Rashford. Acknowledges his best position isn't upfront, but it's also quite obvious he isn't a ten to sit in behind either.

He basically saying he has to be better upfront or he's got no place in the squad?
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For me it points towards trying him somewhere else and if he doesn't 'want it' can leave. I think the bit at the end, 'if he wants it' is pretty telling.
Im encouraged by this approach. His good mate Mourinho would of told him Rash can't be the main striker, well anyway, took him one game to realise it for himself. I think his days are numbered and he won't be missed.
 
Irwin99 said:
The Rashford comment is interesting. I did think that his best hope to feature for the team in the future was to be more of a centre forward because of the new formation but it seems like it's a firm no on him being a regular starter there.
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I thought it was damning. Like you, I thought he'd fit in as a striker as he doesn't have the workrate to start as a LWB. That leaves only one position - where Garnacho started - as an option for him. And I think we have better options than Rashford to play there.

Also, imo, it opens a window of opportunity for Zirkzee to start as a striker if he can be arsed and is ready to put a shift in. He hasn't shown it here yet but at Bologna holding up the ball and linking up play were his best attributes. Ruben pointed that he can't have Rashford play there against big PL CB's. With his frame, at least theoretically, Zirkzee should do better against them.
 
"Would you considered changing your prefered 3-4-3 formation"

I hate bullshit questions like this. It's hypocritical as feck. Whenever there is a manager whose 'prefered' formation is a 4-2-3-1 there's ZERO questions from both the press AND the fans alike as to whether they'd consider using another formation, but when it comes to someone who prefers 3-4-3, apparently they're the ones who have to adapt. Hypocrites.

Feck that. Religiously married to anything with 4 at the back, as though that's the default everyone should be using.
 
romufc said:
I understand the quick to throw digs at Ten Hag when you have a new shiny toy but lets calm down and see how Amorim gets on.

Ten Hag started the same way, he changed his style in 2 games and was flexible.

Every manager talks a good game and in the first 20 games will change things as they are getting to know the players, its only once they are settled you will be able to judge all of this.
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In his first season yes Ten Hag was pragmatic and flexible and look what happened, 3rd place finish. Then he threw it all away in his second season by implementing that weird 4-1-4-1 system and refusing to budge from it until the FA Cup final.
 
Fanta Stick said:
For those not all that familiar with our esteemed football journalists, Stone is the one you hear at pressers stretching out his questions in that slow tortured way like he is asking the most profound question ever put to a football manager. Insufferable tosser.
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Well described :)
 
I hear all the comments about fitness, I read some articles previously talking about what EtH was doing to get his players fit, his sessions were famously intense, so I think fitness wise, the players are relatively fit, What I think is the issue is the collective mentality and work ethic, I feel
diarm said:
We have a really good keeper for this style.

Yoro is really well suited to the RCB role and Mazraoui can do an excellent job there too.

De Ligt is an excellent option for the central CB role and Maguire offers a good back up.

Martinez will be superb as a passing LCB. I don’t see how people don’t see that as a good fit once he’s comfortable in the role. Shaw is a really good back up there.

Wingbacks is an issue because we haven’t had to have them before. Dalot and Malacia are options in the short term but this will obviously have to be addressed.

Ugarte and Mainoo are great options for the two deeper midfielders. Eriksen and Casemiro will have to be replaced but that would be true for any coach and any system.

Bruno, Amad and Mount are fantastic options for the two no10 spots.

Hojlund has all the tools for Amorim to shape him into a great option at 9.

What this is going to take is time. We will need greater depth in certain areas and wingbacks will need to be addressed, but first and foremost is an acceptance that fellas aren’t going to look the finished article in a new system after a weeks training.

There are players that might not ever be great fits for the system. Personally I suspect Rashford and Garnacho may not be here in 2 years time. But we do have 15 or 16 players who are perfectly well suited to flourishing in this setup as well as a great crop of young talent ready to break through in the next couple of years. All the doom and gloom and declarations that everyone and everything is shit are way OTT.
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Well said especially the bolded part.

So much drama, I am just waiting for him to work his magic, I am not fully on Amorim train but I am also not expecting the worse as well, he is a good coach, there are bunch of good players in the squad, hopefully something clicks and we see good football soon.
 
ManRed said:
Some lovely videos on social media today. Hazing the injured players and building chemistry.
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We need to get the team working as a whole unit... then start upgrading the players to upgrade the team. The last 10 years we've behaved like one or two player will slot in and be a quick fix and all we've done is fall further behind and become more disjointed.
 
romufc said:
I wonder what you were saying when you were saying about Sporting pre Amorim? Considering that Sporting were in a worse place with all the protests, negativity and toxicity...

It also seems like Sporting's glory days are over too.. losing 5-1 to Arsenal is the start of it.
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Pre-Amorim era was garbage for us. Both players and coaches were terrible.

Amorim landed on Sporting in The Middle of The season and finished 4th . Which was about expected, players didn't know any better

The Next season we did a shit ton of critical signings, most of which were nuclear for the league win - Pedro Porro, Pedro Gonçalves, Nuno Santos, João Mário, there was also Nuno Mendes ,Gonçalo Inácio , Tiago Tomás and Matheus Nunes promoted from Youth and João Palhinha returning from loan. I'm probably forgetting a lot! The Squad was truly revamped from One season to the Next.

Those players were very important to us and many of them are in top clubs atm.

Amorim was a great coach but he didn't do anything by his own. He also spent 2 entire seasons refusing a new striker - Paulinho is not good enough and never was, but was our only "9" for ages. Viktor Gyokeres changed our game more than Amorim ever did.

If I think we'll be better off without him? Absolutely fecking not. We are going to be much worse.
 
Bo_devil said:
For me it points towards trying him somewhere else and if he doesn't 'want it' can leave. I think the bit at the end, 'if he wants it' is pretty telling.
Im encouraged by this approach. His good mate Mourinho would of told him Rash can't be the main striker, well anyway, took him one game to realise it for himself. I think his days are numbered and he won't be missed.
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Yea the question is what position is that though? He isn't going to work as a 10, absolutely not as a cm. He either makes it work for him upfront or he gets dropped, looks like
 
If he has to play the likes of Rashford he's fkd. Look at Man City and Madrid. A slight change to thier team and they are fkd. Amorim has only a handful of ideal players and most of those are injury prone and then a few hopefuls that maybe can adapt. It will get better but big vision is we aren't going anywhere trying to shoehorn players into a system they don't suit.
 
UpWithRivers said:
If he has to play the likes of Rashford he's fkd. Look at Man City and Madrid. A slight change to thier team and they are fkd. Amorim has only a handful of ideal players and most of those are injury prone and then a few hopefuls that maybe can adapt. It will get better but big vision is we aren't going anywhere trying to shoehorn players into a system they don't suit.
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Why do you think he'll have to play Rashford?
 
amagomes93 said:
Pre-Amorim era was garbage for us. Both players and coaches were terrible.

Amorim landed on Sporting in The Middle of The season and finished 4th . Which was about expected, players didn't know any better

The Next season we did a shit ton of critical signings, most of which were nuclear for the league win - Pedro Porro, Pedro Gonçalves, Nuno Santos, João Mário, there was also Nuno Mendes ,Gonçalo Inácio , Tiago Tomás and Matheus Nunes promoted from Youth and João Palhinha returning from loan. I'm probably forgetting a lot! The Squad was truly revamped from One season to the Next.

Those players were very important to us and many of them are in top clubs atm.

Amorim was a great coach but he didn't do anything by his own. He also spent 2 entire seasons refusing a new striker - Paulinho is not good enough and never was, but was our only "9" for ages. Viktor Gyokeres changed our game more than Amorim ever did.

If I think we'll be better off without him? Absolutely fecking not. We are going to be much worse.
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I often wonder how much of your success was down to Hugo Viana and your recruitment team vs Amorim and his coaching staff. Clearly Hugo did a very good job. You can see that from your net spend and the fact that he got the city job.
Hopefully, with the new leadership structure we've got, Amorim well have the same level of support or better. However, if it's worse, like it has been for several years, Amorim will probably not succeed. The only thing I expect from Amorim, is to get our team to play to it's talent level. Right now, based on talent, we're in that next bracket of 4/5 teams, after Arsenal, Liverpool and City.
 
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