He didn't get a lot of info from 2-3 training sessions so he must have relied on existing personnel for input. How much input do you think Fletcher had on the squad selection against Ipswich? Not necessarily what players were selected but the info he may have provided to Amorim that ultimately decided what players he selected for the match?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Well Amorim ain’t changing and he’ll certainly get the time. It’s been one game with a make shift line up after a couple of training sessions, give the guy a chance! If ETH got over 2 years and £600m and still didn’t have an identity then Amorim will definitely be given time and money to implement his vision. It’s already visible what he’s trying to do after one game, which is already a huge difference from ETH, not to mention he’s INEOS’s guy so they’ll afford him more patience.
Well at least you're giving him plenty of time...
Any fan questioning the manager's approach after one game is either on the wind up or has taken the wrong kind of mushroom.
I would be surprised if his coaching team has not been watching videos of previous games to get an overview of the players. Probably also had time to analyse some Ipswich games.
Of course they don't know how the players will adapt to new roles, but neither would Fletcher.
No. We need to start straight away with whatever the manager wants to do and use whatever system he wants to. He’ll coach the players into playing the roles he wants (hopefully) we can’t keep using excuses that the players stop us playing a certain way etc. managers have gone into clubs with the same players and started of their style instantly. Plus INEOS have signed players to play a style they want and have got the manager to do so.
are people already asking for his head in the forum? 
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.
Amazing really.
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.
Amazing really.
Behave. Some posters are not liking the new system (for whatever reasons that might be) , however nobody is asking for his head.are people already asking for his head in the forum?
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.
Amazing rereally.
Let’s wait and see.are people already asking for his head in the forum?
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.
Amazing really.
Had enough of this complete fraud already. Get rid.
And they might be absolutely right. But after a game i think people claiming this isnt going to work should behave rather than individuals calling them out.
Its one game. People claiming this isnt going to work should perhaps reserve some judgement.
We need to treat the EL more seriously than the league cup. It could be our route to CL football and we're on the back foot currently
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.
Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.
If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.
Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.
If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.
Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
The feck are you on about ? How dare people get excited with a genuinely likeable young new coach , after two years of the charisma hoover?
Nobody is treating him like a legend, that's just ridiculous.
WUM is obvious
I understand it’s his first game, and it’s only fair to give him more time before making a full assessment. However, some of the personnel choices and players’ roles didn’t feel quite right to me.
Amad was arguably our best outfield player, but he was often forced to defend or pick up the ball too deep, which limited his attacking influence. Dalot, on the other hand, had a tough game in my opinion. I’d prefer a more balanced approach on the wings—if one winger is inverted, the other should be someone who can stretch the play, hit the byline, and deliver crosses.
Going forward, I’d like to see either Garnacho and Dalot or Amad and Malacia/Amass paired on the flanks.
The midfield duo was an interesting choice, but it felt like injuries and players lacking fitness left him with limited options. For now, Ugarte and Mainoo would be my preferred pairing, but strengthening this position should definitely be a priority in the summer.
I didn’t agree with Garnacho as a 10. His best work comes from out wide, which is why I’d play him as a left wing-back instead.
Evans had a tough time, and I’d expect Martinez to replace him moving forward. De Ligt was also underwhelming; his passing lacked creativity and risk. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Maguire steps in as the central centre-back once he’s available.
While I understand he needs time to adjust and experiment, it would be frustrating if he continues to stick with the same setup when certain aspects clearly aren’t working. Hopefully, adjustments are made sooner rather than later.
Amad was arguably our best outfield player, but he was often forced to defend or pick up the ball too deep, which limited his attacking influence. Dalot, on the other hand, had a tough game in my opinion. I’d prefer a more balanced approach on the wings—if one winger is inverted, the other should be someone who can stretch the play, hit the byline, and deliver crosses.
Going forward, I’d like to see either Garnacho and Dalot or Amad and Malacia/Amass paired on the flanks.
The midfield duo was an interesting choice, but it felt like injuries and players lacking fitness left him with limited options. For now, Ugarte and Mainoo would be my preferred pairing, but strengthening this position should definitely be a priority in the summer.
I didn’t agree with Garnacho as a 10. His best work comes from out wide, which is why I’d play him as a left wing-back instead.
Evans had a tough time, and I’d expect Martinez to replace him moving forward. De Ligt was also underwhelming; his passing lacked creativity and risk. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Maguire steps in as the central centre-back once he’s available.
While I understand he needs time to adjust and experiment, it would be frustrating if he continues to stick with the same setup when certain aspects clearly aren’t working. Hopefully, adjustments are made sooner rather than later.
he must be hating it right now watching sporting getting thumped at home to arsenal 3-0
He said himself the selection was based on who's been able to train most with him so far. That selection will not stay as is.
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it. We've again gone and made things even harder for ourselves. We don't have the players for that system and soon the grumblings will start coming from the squad too, I've absolutely no doubt about it. I feel like for that system to work, in the PL, we have to have defensively brilliant wing backs with godlike stamina who run up and down the pitch for 90min, not Garnacho and Amad. And if we do have them, then we're sacrificing the attack and we're just something like Tuchel's Chelsea. Decent but ultimately dull.
Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
bang on. This summary is so accurate that the only thing i can add is : Unless Amorim changes it will end in tears very soon.
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You know, you can choose to support Coventry where Ruud might be taking over since you like him so much!
Apparently people aren’t allowed to be optimistic, positive and upbeat after 2 years of torture.
Gosh this thread has some horrid reads in it since Sunday.
The system relies far more on excellent wide CB's moreso than defensive WB's to work, but either way I'd rather us play his system and style now with the wrong players than just slap a shitty 4231 out there with Bruno in the 10 and Rashford on the LW and play hit and hope counterball. Expose the players that aren't up to scratch and bin them off, and keep the ones that can cope and hang with his style.
I'm curious to see how we look in 3-6 months.
Exciting times ahead.
Exciting times ahead.
United are such a hard puzzle to solve. Where do you even begin?
I hope Amorim rotates heavily in the coming weeks and the players who really want it can grab the chance.
But I can’t imagine many of the United lads actually doing that! but we can live in hope.
I hope Amorim rotates heavily in the coming weeks and the players who really want it can grab the chance.
But I can’t imagine many of the United lads actually doing that! but we can live in hope.
Too many opinions and too much of a spotlight.
The 343 is here, let him implement it and use it. Fans have complained about 4231 for years, we've used a 433 at various points.
This is a system that works for him and that he's used to; one which has gotten him success and that attracted us.
In addition, none of our current players are worth crying about, so everyone should be on board with this regardless of their formation preferences. Xabi Alonso also used 343 to great success, Conte and Tuchel had great success with it in England, and in truth, every team is using a form of it when trying to attack.
the 3421 is a great system to play if you have the right personnel
Hit after hit with you isn't it?
I for one am excited about the new 3-5-2/3-4-3 formations we are gonna play. About damn time for a change of style of play. We're stuck under sir alex's wingers play or counter attack nostalgia and trying to play modern ajax football with ten hag. I for one am ready for a fresh system.
Deluded. Terrible post.
He won't and shouldn't. Why hire Amorim if he can't implement the system he wants to play? Hire someone else instead. And he's already said he's not going to compromise a lot, cause then a year from now you're still at this point - as happened to Ten Hag.
Better hold tight I guess!
Dafuq are you harping on about? It's been one game ffs.
If Amorim does change into something he's not used to, then INEOS might as well have hired another manager from the beginning
Why hire a specialist in a certain system and expect him to implement another system?
It's like hiring marketing manager and putting him in charge of finance
Makes absolutely no sense and an incredibly amateurish way to run an organization. It's something I expect headless chickens like Glazers to do, not INEOS with their new proper football structure
Amorim's time here may or may not end in tears, but what I can say is if he does betrays his philosophy like Ten Hag, it will certainly end in tears
Yes, the system might not work but it won’t be because of Amorim. How many coaches do we have to go through before people realise so have made a habit of signing poor-incompatible players.
By choosing Amorim we have at the same time opted to go with his formation, tactics and style. I refuse to believe that we wouldn’t have interviewed him and learned that he’s not willing to bend his rules to accommodate different style that is more suitable to our squad (which we know isn’t good enough to win major trophies anyway). It’s going to take time and he will obviously get it to the extent it makes sense (ie he won’t get a free pass for 5 years, but he won’t be sacked / under threat of getting sacked too soon as long as we keep progressing).
He has had 2 training sessions ffs relax people. Players have still got Ten Hag shit in their heads, will take a few games get that out of them. Even Amorim said this in his post match.
Conte won the league at Chelsea, playing Marcus alonso and Victor moses as wing backs. Both were equally decent playing as wingers. Hardly defensively brilliant, just part of a well oiled, well 'coached' system.
We definitely have the players for the system. Just needs time to get his message across.