Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

peridigm said:
He didn't get a lot of info from 2-3 training sessions so he must have relied on existing personnel for input. How much input do you think Fletcher had on the squad selection against Ipswich? Not necessarily what players were selected but the info he may have provided to Amorim that ultimately decided what players he selected for the match?
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I would be surprised if his coaching team has not been watching videos of previous games to get an overview of the players. Probably also had time to analyse some Ipswich games.

Of course they don't know how the players will adapt to new roles, but neither would Fletcher.
 
NLunited said:
No, based on the players we have we are better off playing a different system then Amorim is setting out to do. If he gets enough time it could work, but I doubt that he will get it.
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No. We need to start straight away with whatever the manager wants to do and use whatever system he wants to. He’ll coach the players into playing the roles he wants (hopefully) we can’t keep using excuses that the players stop us playing a certain way etc. managers have gone into clubs with the same players and started of their style instantly. Plus INEOS have signed players to play a style they want and have got the manager to do so.
 
are people already asking for his head in the forum? :lol:
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.

Amazing really.
 
Theo88 said:
are people already asking for his head in the forum? :lol:
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.

Amazing rereally.
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Behave. Some posters are not liking the new system (for whatever reasons that might be) , however nobody is asking for his head.
 
Theo88 said:
are people already asking for his head in the forum? :lol:
We had hundreds of users defending 10H after a dreadful 1.5 years, and we already say Amorim needs to adjust to his players (that have no tactical coherence for a loong time) rather than actually getting him to shape them into something useful.

Amazing really.
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Let’s wait and see.
 
The Firestarter said:
Behave. Some posters are not liking the new system (for whatever reasons that might be) , however nobody is asking for his head.
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And they might be absolutely right. But after a game i think people claiming this isnt going to work should behave rather than individuals calling them out.


Its one game. People claiming this isnt going to work should perhaps reserve some judgement.
 
dutchred said:
Curious to see what team he puts out on Thursday. Hope he give some youngsters a chance, especially up front
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We need to treat the EL more seriously than the league cup. It could be our route to CL football and we're on the back foot currently
 
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
 
killerboi2 said:
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
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The feck are you on about ? How dare people get excited with a genuinely likeable young new coach , after two years of the charisma hoover?
Nobody is treating him like a legend, that's just ridiculous.
 
killerboi2 said:
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
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WUM is obvious
 
I understand it’s his first game, and it’s only fair to give him more time before making a full assessment. However, some of the personnel choices and players’ roles didn’t feel quite right to me.

Amad was arguably our best outfield player, but he was often forced to defend or pick up the ball too deep, which limited his attacking influence. Dalot, on the other hand, had a tough game in my opinion. I’d prefer a more balanced approach on the wings—if one winger is inverted, the other should be someone who can stretch the play, hit the byline, and deliver crosses.

Going forward, I’d like to see either Garnacho and Dalot or Amad and Malacia/Amass paired on the flanks.

The midfield duo was an interesting choice, but it felt like injuries and players lacking fitness left him with limited options. For now, Ugarte and Mainoo would be my preferred pairing, but strengthening this position should definitely be a priority in the summer.

I didn’t agree with Garnacho as a 10. His best work comes from out wide, which is why I’d play him as a left wing-back instead.

Evans had a tough time, and I’d expect Martinez to replace him moving forward. De Ligt was also underwhelming; his passing lacked creativity and risk. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Maguire steps in as the central centre-back once he’s available.

While I understand he needs time to adjust and experiment, it would be frustrating if he continues to stick with the same setup when certain aspects clearly aren’t working. Hopefully, adjustments are made sooner rather than later.
 
he must be hating it right now watching sporting getting thumped at home to arsenal 3-0
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I understand it’s his first game, and it’s only fair to give him more time before making a full assessment. However, some of the personnel choices and players’ roles didn’t feel quite right to me.

Amad was arguably our best outfield player, but he was often forced to defend or pick up the ball too deep, which limited his attacking influence. Dalot, on the other hand, had a tough game in my opinion. I’d prefer a more balanced approach on the wings—if one winger is inverted, the other should be someone who can stretch the play, hit the byline, and deliver crosses.

Going forward, I’d like to see either Garnacho and Dalot or Amad and Malacia/Amass paired on the flanks.

The midfield duo was an interesting choice, but it felt like injuries and players lacking fitness left him with limited options. For now, Ugarte and Mainoo would be my preferred pairing, but strengthening this position should definitely be a priority in the summer.

I didn’t agree with Garnacho as a 10. His best work comes from out wide, which is why I’d play him as a left wing-back instead.

Evans had a tough time, and I’d expect Martinez to replace him moving forward. De Ligt was also underwhelming; his passing lacked creativity and risk. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Maguire steps in as the central centre-back once he’s available.

While I understand he needs time to adjust and experiment, it would be frustrating if he continues to stick with the same setup when certain aspects clearly aren’t working. Hopefully, adjustments are made sooner rather than later.
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He said himself the selection was based on who's been able to train most with him so far. That selection will not stay as is.
 
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it. We've again gone and made things even harder for ourselves. We don't have the players for that system and soon the grumblings will start coming from the squad too, I've absolutely no doubt about it. I feel like for that system to work, in the PL, we have to have defensively brilliant wing backs with godlike stamina who run up and down the pitch for 90min, not Garnacho and Amad. And if we do have them, then we're sacrificing the attack and we're just something like Tuchel's Chelsea. Decent but ultimately dull.

Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
 
FreakyJim said:
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it. We've again gone and made things even harder for ourselves. We don't have the players for that system and soon the grumblings will start coming from the squad too, I've absolutely no doubt about it. I feel like for that system to work, in the PL, we have to have defensively brilliant wing backs with godlike stamina who run up and down the pitch for 90min, not Garnacho and Amad. And if we do have them, then we're sacrificing the attack and we're just something like Tuchel's Chelsea. Decent but ultimately dull.

Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
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bang on. This summary is so accurate that the only thing i can add is : Unless Amorim changes it will end in tears very soon.
 
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killerboi2 said:
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
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You know, you can choose to support Coventry where Ruud might be taking over since you like him so much!

Apparently people aren’t allowed to be optimistic, positive and upbeat after 2 years of torture.
 
killerboi2 said:
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
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:lol:
 
FreakyJim said:
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it. We've again gone and made things even harder for ourselves. We don't have the players for that system and soon the grumblings will start coming from the squad too, I've absolutely no doubt about it. I feel like for that system to work, in the PL, we have to have defensively brilliant wing backs with godlike stamina who run up and down the pitch for 90min, not Garnacho and Amad. And if we do have them, then we're sacrificing the attack and we're just something like Tuchel's Chelsea. Decent but ultimately dull.

Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
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The system relies far more on excellent wide CB's moreso than defensive WB's to work, but either way I'd rather us play his system and style now with the wrong players than just slap a shitty 4231 out there with Bruno in the 10 and Rashford on the LW and play hit and hope counterball. Expose the players that aren't up to scratch and bin them off, and keep the ones that can cope and hang with his style.
 
United are such a hard puzzle to solve. Where do you even begin?

I hope Amorim rotates heavily in the coming weeks and the players who really want it can grab the chance.

But I can’t imagine many of the United lads actually doing that! but we can live in hope.
 
RuudTom83 said:
United are such a hard puzzle to solve. Where do you even begin?

I hope Amorim rotates heavily in the coming weeks and the players who really want it can grab the chance.

But I can’t imagine many of the United lads actually doing that! but we can live in hope.
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Too many opinions and too much of a spotlight.

The 343 is here, let him implement it and use it. Fans have complained about 4231 for years, we've used a 433 at various points.

This is a system that works for him and that he's used to; one which has gotten him success and that attracted us.

In addition, none of our current players are worth crying about, so everyone should be on board with this regardless of their formation preferences. Xabi Alonso also used 343 to great success, Conte and Tuchel had great success with it in England, and in truth, every team is using a form of it when trying to attack.
 
I for one am excited about the new 3-5-2/3-4-3 formations we are gonna play. About damn time for a change of style of play. We're stuck under sir alex's wingers play or counter attack nostalgia and trying to play modern ajax football with ten hag. I for one am ready for a fresh system.
 
killerboi2 said:
The fans that are already treating him like he is already a United legend, worshipping every statement he makes to the media (after his 1-1 draw to relegation threatend Ipswich) are completely irritating and cringeworthy and I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way but are too afraid of saying anything and go against the grain.

Thankfully this attitude will go away, no matter what his results are. It was even worse with Ten Hag when he first arrived. It calmed down after his "system" also "took time". Any pretending he was a legend was firmly out the door after he got routed by Liverpool. Jokey comments about ETH out at first that gradually turned very serious when his awful style of play continued.

If Amorim starts doing well then obviously the comments will become far less irritating. Like I said, I think it calms down no matter what.

Now if he was an actual United legend like Ruud and Ole then this attitude would be far less annoying. Trying to replicate the genuine atmosphere and buzz that was around when Ruud and Ole first arrived with ETH and Amorim feels so fake and forced.
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Deluded. Terrible post.
 
yeti said:
bang on. This summary is so accurate that the only thing i can add is : Unless Amorim changes it will end in tears very soon.
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He won't and shouldn't. Why hire Amorim if he can't implement the system he wants to play? Hire someone else instead. And he's already said he's not going to compromise a lot, cause then a year from now you're still at this point - as happened to Ten Hag.

Better hold tight I guess!
 
yeti said:
bang on. This summary is so accurate that the only thing i can add is : Unless Amorim changes it will end in tears very soon.
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If Amorim does change into something he's not used to, then INEOS might as well have hired another manager from the beginning

Why hire a specialist in a certain system and expect him to implement another system?

It's like hiring marketing manager and putting him in charge of finance

Makes absolutely no sense and an incredibly amateurish way to run an organization. It's something I expect headless chickens like Glazers to do, not INEOS with their new proper football structure

Amorim's time here may or may not end in tears, but what I can say is if he does betrays his philosophy like Ten Hag, it will certainly end in tears
 
Yes, the system might not work but it won’t be because of Amorim. How many coaches do we have to go through before people realise so have made a habit of signing poor-incompatible players.
 
By choosing Amorim we have at the same time opted to go with his formation, tactics and style. I refuse to believe that we wouldn’t have interviewed him and learned that he’s not willing to bend his rules to accommodate different style that is more suitable to our squad (which we know isn’t good enough to win major trophies anyway). It’s going to take time and he will obviously get it to the extent it makes sense (ie he won’t get a free pass for 5 years, but he won’t be sacked / under threat of getting sacked too soon as long as we keep progressing).
 
FreakyJim said:
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it. We've again gone and made things even harder for ourselves. We don't have the players for that system and soon the grumblings will start coming from the squad too, I've absolutely no doubt about it. I feel like for that system to work, in the PL, we have to have defensively brilliant wing backs with godlike stamina who run up and down the pitch for 90min, not Garnacho and Amad. And if we do have them, then we're sacrificing the attack and we're just something like Tuchel's Chelsea. Decent but ultimately dull.

Of course it's very early days and I pray I'm very wrong.
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Conte won the league at Chelsea, playing Marcus alonso and Victor moses as wing backs. Both were equally decent playing as wingers. Hardly defensively brilliant, just part of a well oiled, well 'coached' system.

We definitely have the players for the system. Just needs time to get his message across.
 
FreakyJim said:
Me personally, I just don't like 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it.
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I completely disagree, the back 3 is unavoidable in modern football because it's the most stable structure to form build ups, even if you were to use nominal "back 4" formation, it will somehow revert to a back 3 eventually. Either by dropping your DM to form a back 3, tucking in your FB, etc

All top teams with any semblance of positional play will operate in a similar manner that would culminate into some kind of 325 at their most offensive shape. We have played this way since the days of Ole.

Your problem with the back 3 isn't the actual structure of the formation, your problem with the back 3 is you just simply don't like the nominal term back 3. Would you have a problem with the system if they call it a 433 but De Ligt is now a DM, and like all DMs he would split the CB to form a back 3.
 
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It's actually pretty interesting how fast a team of players can implement a new system with proper coaching. In 2016 Conte switched to a 3-4-3 during the last 25 mins of a game vs Arsenal. Granted, that side had some pretty good players. This is what Conte said in 2016:

Antonio Conte has explained what prompted him to change Chelsea's system following damaging defeats to title rivals Liverpool and Arsenal.
The Blues enjoyed an impressive start to life under Conte, winning three and drawing one of their opening four league games while generally lining up in a 4-3-3 formation.

Summer signing N'Golo Kante was tasked with shielding the back four with two of midfield trio Nemanja Matic, Oscar and Cesc Fabregas playing in front of the France international.
But a 2-1 home loss to Liverpool and the subsequent comprehensive defeat at Emirates Stadium in September prompted a reshuffle.

Though at that stage the game was beyond the Blues, Conte ordered his XI into a 3-4-3 formation for the final 25 minutes at Arsenal and has not looked back since.

Chelsea have recorded five straight Premier League victories without conceding since, scoring 16 goals.


Conte told the club's official site of his decision to change formation: "We started the season with another system because the idea in my mind was that I wanted to play with the 4-2-4, and then we switched with 4-3-3 and we played also in the same way like last year, 4-2-3-1.

"But I noticed in some circumstances we didn’t have the right balance because when you concede more goals than your opponent and even more chances to score a goal, it is never a good thing. For this reason, we switched to the new system of 3-4-3 and I think this is a good fit for our squad because also we have the strikers adapted for this system.
"I thought it would improve us offensively as well as defensively and we didn’t lose our offensive situation. In this way we have increased it because we scored many goals and created a lot of chances to score the goals and also if you maintain the clean sheet, I think this is the right way."

Btw, Conte had been at Chelsea for 5 months, when he decided to change the system.
Amorim has been at United for what, a week? Some peeps need to calm down a bit.
 
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The pieces have been put in to place that will build a competitive football structure. This has happened relatively quick too. Ten Hag being shite was a bit of a bonus for us. It's been less than a year since INEOS stepped in and we have started to get it together. Our place in the table over this and last season is deserved but we all know that won't be tolerated anymore.
It's always been the attitude of the players and their entitlement that has fecked this club over. I've watched 5th tier international football teams with more pride/passion and football IQ than our players have shown over the last decade. Enough is enough.
We will get it together but it will require the club and the supporters being ruthless. Getting Rashford out of this club should be our main statement in January or the summer. He deserves his place in the clubs history but in my opinion he represents a habit this club has indulged on for too long.
I have no opinion on Amorim and that is probably a good thing for a fan of a club sitting where we are right now. Waiting for another SAF, Cantona/Keane or Class if 92 is just punching ourselves in the balls. If you are playing or coaching Manchester United and you are not productive in working towards a common goal then feck off.
 
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