3 degrees on the thermometer doesn’t necessarily feel like 3 degrees in practice. Also ‘it’s freezing’ is a turn of phrase, meaning it feels very cold - not necessarily that it is below zero and everything is turned to ice. Don’t be a pedant!!
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The best thing for me was the random whistle to stop play and get them all sprinting back into a defensive shape. Loved that…and. The 343 of course
These days players need to be drilled into this. If this is done in training, it becomes second nature in game. How many times have we seen our forwards lose the ball and throw their hands in the air as if it was someone else's fault?
The way I look at it is, if the forwards want defence and midfield to help attack, they need to help them defend too, it goes both ways.
When you lose the ball, get into shape and take it from there, I would be surprised if they didn't do this in training before.
At least it's refreshing to have the vast majority of the fanbase excited and on board with the "project" at this moment. Yeah, i know it was similar at the start of EtH's reign, but something feels a little different with Amorim and this appointment. And not to mention how toxic this place/fanbase has been over the last 12-18 months of EtH's reign....
Refreshing.
Refreshing.
RAWK levels around here. First time I'm not getting excited until I see results. I don't think it's its all down to the manager, we have a couple free loaders that just are not good enough for the team and a new manager won't improve them day over night.
Ralf did get 30mins pressing against Crystal Palace
Interesting interview with Portuguese journalist about amorim.
For example, he plays inverted centrebacks. His wing backs are actual wingers not fullbacks. Also very fast defenders and good on the ball etc. High pressing with a high defensive line.
Also interesting that on the training ground he concentrates on the tactics but leaves the rest of the training to his assistants and oversees it all ala Fergie did as he got older.
Apparently an excellent man manager, magnetic personality ala original Mourinho when he first joined Chelsea from Porto. players will run through walls for him. Although apparently he never criticizes the referees in public, let's see how long this lasts.
Busqutes and Xavi Alonso are his type of perfect midfielders more than a casemiro. Cerebral midfielder who can put a shift in.
Sergio Krithinas joins Duncan Castles for a Transfers Podcast
Portugal special.
+ Why Ruben Amorim took Man United
+ How he will fix the mess at Old Trafford
+ Gyokeres for sale, but unconvinced by MUFC
+ Redemption for Maguire, exit for Casemiro?
+ A new Mourinho?
+ Man City's long courtship of Hugo Viana
+ Right job, wrong time?
For example, he plays inverted centrebacks. His wing backs are actual wingers not fullbacks. Also very fast defenders and good on the ball etc. High pressing with a high defensive line.
Also interesting that on the training ground he concentrates on the tactics but leaves the rest of the training to his assistants and oversees it all ala Fergie did as he got older.
Apparently an excellent man manager, magnetic personality ala original Mourinho when he first joined Chelsea from Porto. players will run through walls for him. Although apparently he never criticizes the referees in public, let's see how long this lasts.
Busqutes and Xavi Alonso are his type of perfect midfielders more than a casemiro. Cerebral midfielder who can put a shift in.
Sergio Krithinas joins Duncan Castles for a Transfers Podcast
Portugal special.
+ Why Ruben Amorim took Man United
+ How he will fix the mess at Old Trafford
+ Gyokeres for sale, but unconvinced by MUFC
+ Redemption for Maguire, exit for Casemiro?
+ A new Mourinho?
+ Man City's long courtship of Hugo Viana
+ Right job, wrong time?
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I do think it’s ultimately down to the coach. If he has ‘freeloaders’ it’s his job to identify them and either get them to work harder or not pick them. We can’t keep using players as an excuse when there’s been so much turnover
Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear. 'Alvaro' I name him. Ill news is an ill guest. Why do you lay these troubles on an already troubled forum?
Can you not see? Redcafe is wearied by your malcontent, your doom mongering.
Yes, I'm with you but this will work until we have an " injury crisis" and the manager need to decide between pickup the freeloaders or taking their chances with an academy player.
I was joking mate.
I think the difference is the feeling around the club, even though Ten Hag came in with similar feelings, the mood is different. I remember how toxic the whole place was after Ole / Rangnick and it was a real issue. The culture was also an issue then.
It seems this time a manager is coming in to coach the team and not deal with all the external elements other managers had to.
Exactly. He's coming into a sporting structure, one far more qualified and streamlined than Murtough and Fletcher. He's clearly a talented coach and comes across as very energetic and likable. But this time he doesn't have to answer to an investment banker.
Maybe this is what the players needed.
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.
Also a formation is not an identity.
Also a formation is not an identity.
Well when Sky were running through how he will setup with Carragher and Berbatov on the list they showed he had 4 or 5 variations of a back 3/5 which he has used, 2 of them mostly so that shouws he has some flexibility.
Is anyone working on our xCutbacks stats?
Really need to see before I’m convinced
Really need to see before I’m convinced
I notice that this line of critique is often used on proponents of 3-4-3/3-5-2, but it's rarely ever used in critique of someone who is a lifetime proponent of a back four.
We expect the wing back proponent to be flexible and not stubborn, yet the same is never said about the back four proponent who is inflexible and stubborn himself.
The wingback guy has to be flexible enough to use a back four, but simultaneously no expectation is placed upon the back four guy to be flexible enough to use wingbacks.
It's just the general hypocrisy of how people treat one over another.
He seemed unable to get the best from his players within the system, he seemed a bit inflexible. I am hoping a really good man manager who is prepared to flex his system around the players available, up to a point will find a way. Anyway, we'll see.
I'm excited but the stuff that's being said is exactly what was being said about ETH when he got started so yeah let's be cautiously optimistic.
For me (in retrospect) ETH's problem was he created a new untested system to fit in Bruno and Rashford who otherwise wouldn't have worked well in ETH's system in Netherlands, especially after he couldn't get the Barcelona midfielder whose name I am too lazy to google right now. If Amorim goes with the formation he had during Sporting time, it is a sign that he is not beholden to supposed "superstars" who wouldn't necessarily fit. But I don't have a problem if he chooses a different formation either as long as he has clear eyed view of how he wants to develop his team.
Also agree with you that the formation is not an identity but is only a way to get the most out of your players and gain tactical advantage over your opponents.
Genius is clearly lost on youMy guess is he screwed up the formatting of his post
For a starving man, a slice of bread is a feast
Nah, I've always maintained that we have a good squad, so I'm with you on that. A lot of people tend to underrate our players probably because they think they're all ETH signings. And since ETH wasn’t good enough, they probably think our players are shit too.
Even ignoring the Liverpool and Tottenham games (which I personally blame ETH for), if we had secured wins against Palace and West Ham—games we absolutely deserved to win—and arguably even the Brighton game, we’d be comfortably in the top 4 right now. Against Palace and West Ham, our players' inability to hit a barn door costed us, and marginal or freak offside calls were the difference against Brighton.
I keep repeating this, but I genuinely believe our squad is strong enough to challenge for the top 4. It shouldn’t take a miracle from Amorim to get us there. If he can’t achieve that this season, then perhaps he’s not the coach we were hoping for either.
I saw the 6min video of the practice.
For those who had doubts if he was implementing the 3-4-3 system from the beginning... there it is.
As regards the practice it is very similar to what he has done in Sporting: playing simple, 1, 2 touches, attracting opponents to open spaces. If you can´t find the space, have patience go back and start again from the back 3. Quick reaction to the loss of ball, sprint backwards, etc. Always playing together in a team effort.
We didn´t see that in the clip. but the pressure Sporting players put on the opponents after loosing the ball was really intense. 3 or 4 players immediately surrounding the ball carrier. Maybe that will take more time to implement and his first idea is only to recover positioning as fast as possible.
I would say the good thing is that he is not changing his way because it´s Man United and the players have more "name". He is just doing what he normally does and what brought him success
For those who had doubts if he was implementing the 3-4-3 system from the beginning... there it is.
As regards the practice it is very similar to what he has done in Sporting: playing simple, 1, 2 touches, attracting opponents to open spaces. If you can´t find the space, have patience go back and start again from the back 3. Quick reaction to the loss of ball, sprint backwards, etc. Always playing together in a team effort.
We didn´t see that in the clip. but the pressure Sporting players put on the opponents after loosing the ball was really intense. 3 or 4 players immediately surrounding the ball carrier. Maybe that will take more time to implement and his first idea is only to recover positioning as fast as possible.
I would say the good thing is that he is not changing his way because it´s Man United and the players have more "name". He is just doing what he normally does and what brought him success
The benefit of hiring a younger manager is they're unlikely to need the little blue pills.
Yeah we're in a lot of debt so there'll be a lot more cutbacks for sure.
Van Gaal did the same and look how that turned out, sticking to your own tactics or changing them based on the players doesn't mean it won't work for another manager. All managers are different and the interpersonal skills of the managers is just as important as the tactics.
Fantastic insight.
Oh so now it’s his clothes and the way he’s acting…. Gotcha.
I don’t pretend to understand what you mean and I’m still none the wiser.
Just me who thinks that photo looks fake ?
High quality cameras do that. Focusing on the closer image make the background look A.I
I think the differences here are:
- He's managed and succeeded in a tougher league. Portugese league is better quality and Benfica & Porto are both bigger than Sporting. Ten Hag managed easily the biggest team in Holland.
- He actually has charisma and charm so should get the media onside early and help him communicate his tactics to the players than ten Hag ever could, as he was awkward at best.
Don’t think it is a proper lineup to start with. You must switch Onana with Hojlund to make it perfect.
What is life without hope and aided by dollop of cognitive dissonance.
Assisting the flight technicians. Captain fantastic.Yup. Original isn’t quite so positive for Bruno.
"Interpersonal skills" - probably the strongest attribute of Amorim, to be honest.