Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

RDCR07 said:
Even more detailed video starting around the 2 minute mark. Yoro, Shaw and Malacia look fit to start. This whole week of training should be good hopefully.

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This blowing the whistle to simulate a ball loss and having the team sprint back is interesting. Around the 3:05 mark in the video, Shaw has the ball but Amorim shouts 'SHAW YOU LOSE THE BALL QUICK GO GO'

I know this is only one session but this looks totally different to what we saw under EtH.
 
dubplate warrior said:
You can already see a distinct shape and style of play being implemented in training, which is mental.

We're going to really have to rely on our fullbacks having great seasons. For what it's worth I think Dalot and Mazraoui will be great wingbacks.

We're going to try and score a lot of cutbacks.
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This is what happens when you have a coach who has a system. Whilst he may tweak it to suit some players, the principles remain.

The fact that from 1st training, he is focusing on the 3-4-3, is a good sign. Then once the system is sorted, you are just placing players within that system as everyone knows what each player in every position does.

He has profiles in positions, which the players have to match.

With cut backs, the change of us scoring cut backs is going to be so good because for the past how many years, we are the ones always conceding cut backs.
 
romufc said:
This is what happens when you have a coach who has a system. Whilst he may tweak it to suit some players, the principles remain.

The fact that from 1st training, he is focusing on the 3-4-3, is a good sign. Then once the system is sorted, you are just placing players within that system as everyone knows what each player in every position does.

He has profiles in positions, which the players have to match.

With cut backs, the change of us scoring cut backs is going to be so good because for the past how many years, we are the ones always conceding cut backs.
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I agree mate. I'm really excited to be a United fan again.

I've always maintained, even in our worst moments that we have a good squad, which is better than most teams in the league. The fact we had some of the worst metrics offensively and defensively shows just how poorly we were managed. Maybe I'm talking out hopium, but I think people will be surprised how much some of our players improve.
 
He himself looks like he's having fun coaching. I think that sort of energy rubs off on people.

We haven't had that sort of coach or manager. ETH and Van Gaal were old school headmasters, Ole just stood and observed the coaching from the sidelines and then Mourinho & Moyes were miserable most of the time.
 
NLunited said:
Three degrees isn’t freezing, cupcakes.
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Anything below 10ºC is pretty cold!

People start dieing when temp reaches 0ºC around here.

Lowest record temperature in Lisbon in November since 1981 is 4.3º C :lol:
 
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romufc said:
This is what happens when you have a coach who has a system. Whilst he may tweak it to suit some players, the principles remain.

The fact that from 1st training, he is focusing on the 3-4-3, is a good sign. Then once the system is sorted, you are just placing players within that system as everyone knows what each player in every position does.

He has profiles in positions, which the players have to match.

With cut backs, the change of us scoring cut backs is going to be so good because for the past how many years, we are the ones always conceding cut backs.
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The best thing for me was the random whistle to stop play and get them all sprinting back into a defensive shape. Loved that…and. The 343 of course
 
Pughnichi said:
The best thing for me was the random whistle to stop play and get them all sprinting back into a defensive shape. Loved that…and. The 343 of course
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These days players need to be drilled into this. If this is done in training, it becomes second nature in game. How many times have we seen our forwards lose the ball and throw their hands in the air as if it was someone else's fault?

The way I look at it is, if the forwards want defence and midfield to help attack, they need to help them defend too, it goes both ways.

When you lose the ball, get into shape and take it from there, I would be surprised if they didn't do this in training before.
 
Skills said:
He himself looks like he's having fun coaching. I think that sort of energy rubs off on people.

We haven't had that sort of coach or manager. ETH and Van Gaal were old school headmasters, Ole just stood and observed the coaching from the sidelines and then Mourinho & Moyes were miserable most of the time.
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give the man a chance

that misery will surely set in soon enough
 
At least it's refreshing to have the vast majority of the fanbase excited and on board with the "project" at this moment. Yeah, i know it was similar at the start of EtH's reign, but something feels a little different with Amorim and this appointment. And not to mention how toxic this place/fanbase has been over the last 12-18 months of EtH's reign....

Refreshing.
 
RAWK levels around here. First time I'm not getting excited until I see results. I don't think it's its all down to the manager, we have a couple free loaders that just are not good enough for the team and a new manager won't improve them day over night.
 
Interesting interview with Portuguese journalist about amorim.

For example, he plays inverted centrebacks. His wing backs are actual wingers not fullbacks. Also very fast defenders and good on the ball etc. High pressing with a high defensive line.

Also interesting that on the training ground he concentrates on the tactics but leaves the rest of the training to his assistants and oversees it all ala Fergie did as he got older.

Apparently an excellent man manager, magnetic personality ala original Mourinho when he first joined Chelsea from Porto. players will run through walls for him. Although apparently he never criticizes the referees in public, let's see how long this lasts.

Busqutes and Xavi Alonso are his type of perfect midfielders more than a casemiro. Cerebral midfielder who can put a shift in.



Sergio Krithinas joins Duncan Castles for a Transfers Podcast

Portugal special.

+ Why Ruben Amorim took Man United

+ How he will fix the mess at Old Trafford

+ Gyokeres for sale, but unconvinced by MUFC

+ Redemption for Maguire, exit for Casemiro?

+ A new Mourinho?

+ Man City's long courtship of Hugo Viana

+ Right job, wrong time?
 
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Alvaro Maestre said:
RAWK levels around here. First time I'm not getting excited until I see results. I don't think it's its all down to the manager, we have a couple free loaders that just are not good enough for the team and a new manager won't improve them day over night.
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I do think it’s ultimately down to the coach. If he has ‘freeloaders’ it’s his job to identify them and either get them to work harder or not pick them. We can’t keep using players as an excuse when there’s been so much turnover
 
Alvaro Maestre said:
RAWK levels around here. First time I'm not getting excited until I see results. I don't think it's its all down to the manager, we have a couple free loaders that just are not good enough for the team and a new manager won't improve them day over night.
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Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear. 'Alvaro' I name him. Ill news is an ill guest. Why do you lay these troubles on an already troubled forum?
Can you not see? Redcafe is wearied by your malcontent, your doom mongering.
 
golden_blunder said:
I do think it’s ultimately down to the coach. If he has ‘freeloaders’ it’s his job to identify them and either get them to work harder or not pick them. We can’t keep using players as an excuse when there’s been so much turnover
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Yes, I'm with you but this will work until we have an " injury crisis" and the manager need to decide between pickup the freeloaders or taking their chances with an academy player.
 
Ish said:
At least it's refreshing to have the vast majority of the fanbase excited and on board with the "project" at this moment. Yeah, i know it was similar at the start of EtH's reign, but something feels a little different with Amorim and this appointment. And not to mention how toxic this place/fanbase has been over the last 12-18 months of EtH's reign....

Refreshing.
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I think the difference is the feeling around the club, even though Ten Hag came in with similar feelings, the mood is different. I remember how toxic the whole place was after Ole / Rangnick and it was a real issue. The culture was also an issue then.

It seems this time a manager is coming in to coach the team and not deal with all the external elements other managers had to.
 
romufc said:
I think the difference is the feeling around the club, even though Ten Hag came in with similar feelings, the mood is different. I remember how toxic the whole place was after Ole / Rangnick and it was a real issue. The culture was also an issue then.

It seems this time a manager is coming in to coach the team and not deal with all the external elements other managers had to.
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Exactly. He's coming into a sporting structure, one far more qualified and streamlined than Murtough and Fletcher. He's clearly a talented coach and comes across as very energetic and likable. But this time he doesn't have to answer to an investment banker.

Maybe this is what the players needed.
 
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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Well when Sky were running through how he will setup with Carragher and Berbatov on the list they showed he had 4 or 5 variations of a back 3/5 which he has used, 2 of them mostly so that shouws he has some flexibility.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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I notice that this line of critique is often used on proponents of 3-4-3/3-5-2, but it's rarely ever used in critique of someone who is a lifetime proponent of a back four.

We expect the wing back proponent to be flexible and not stubborn, yet the same is never said about the back four proponent who is inflexible and stubborn himself.

The wingback guy has to be flexible enough to use a back four, but simultaneously no expectation is placed upon the back four guy to be flexible enough to use wingbacks.

It's just the general hypocrisy of how people treat one over another.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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He seemed unable to get the best from his players within the system, he seemed a bit inflexible. I am hoping a really good man manager who is prepared to flex his system around the players available, up to a point will find a way. Anyway, we'll see.
 
I'm excited but the stuff that's being said is exactly what was being said about ETH when he got started so yeah let's be cautiously optimistic.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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For me (in retrospect) ETH's problem was he created a new untested system to fit in Bruno and Rashford who otherwise wouldn't have worked well in ETH's system in Netherlands, especially after he couldn't get the Barcelona midfielder whose name I am too lazy to google right now. If Amorim goes with the formation he had during Sporting time, it is a sign that he is not beholden to supposed "superstars" who wouldn't necessarily fit. But I don't have a problem if he chooses a different formation either as long as he has clear eyed view of how he wants to develop his team.

Also agree with you that the formation is not an identity but is only a way to get the most out of your players and gain tactical advantage over your opponents.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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For a starving man, a slice of bread is a feast
 
dubplate warrior said:
I agree mate. I'm really excited to be a United fan again.

I've always maintained, even in our worst moments that we have a good squad, which is better than most teams in the league. The fact we had some of the worst metrics offensively and defensively shows just how poorly we were managed. Maybe I'm talking out hopium, but I think people will be surprised how much some of our players improve.
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Nah, I've always maintained that we have a good squad, so I'm with you on that. A lot of people tend to underrate our players probably because they think they're all ETH signings. And since ETH wasn’t good enough, they probably think our players are shit too.

Even ignoring the Liverpool and Tottenham games (which I personally blame ETH for), if we had secured wins against Palace and West Ham—games we absolutely deserved to win—and arguably even the Brighton game, we’d be comfortably in the top 4 right now. Against Palace and West Ham, our players' inability to hit a barn door costed us, and marginal or freak offside calls were the difference against Brighton.

I keep repeating this, but I genuinely believe our squad is strong enough to challenge for the top 4. It shouldn’t take a miracle from Amorim to get us there. If he can’t achieve that this season, then perhaps he’s not the coach we were hoping for either.
 
I saw the 6min video of the practice.

For those who had doubts if he was implementing the 3-4-3 system from the beginning... there it is.

As regards the practice it is very similar to what he has done in Sporting: playing simple, 1, 2 touches, attracting opponents to open spaces. If you can´t find the space, have patience go back and start again from the back 3. Quick reaction to the loss of ball, sprint backwards, etc. Always playing together in a team effort.

We didn´t see that in the clip. but the pressure Sporting players put on the opponents after loosing the ball was really intense. 3 or 4 players immediately surrounding the ball carrier. Maybe that will take more time to implement and his first idea is only to recover positioning as fast as possible.

I would say the good thing is that he is not changing his way because it´s Man United and the players have more "name". He is just doing what he normally does and what brought him success
 
JoaoFM said:
I saw the 6min video of the practice.

For those who had doubts if he was implementing the 3-4-3 system from the beginning... there it is.

As regards the practice it is very similar to what he has done in Sporting: playing simple, 1, 2 touches, attracting opponents to open spaces. If you can´t find the space, have patience go back and start again from the back 3. Quick reaction to the loss of ball, sprint backwards, etc. Always playing together in a team effort.

We didn´t see that in the clip. but the pressure Sporting players put on the opponents after loosing the ball was really intense. 3 or 4 players immediately surrounding the ball carrier. Maybe that will take more time to implement and his first idea is only to recover positioning as fast as possible.

I would say the good thing is that he is not changing his way because it´s Man United and the players have more "name". He is just doing what he normally does and what brought him success
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Van Gaal did the same and look how that turned out, sticking to your own tactics or changing them based on the players doesn't mean it won't work for another manager. All managers are different and the interpersonal skills of the managers is just as important as the tactics.
 
alexthelion said:
The way he was dressed and acting, yes.

And you know that's what I meant, stop trying to be clever it isn't working.
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Oh so now it’s his clothes and the way he’s acting…. Gotcha.

I don’t pretend to understand what you mean and I’m still none the wiser.
 
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