Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Blood Mage said:
I'm excited but the stuff that's being said is exactly what was being said about ETH when he got started so yeah let's be cautiously optimistic.
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I think the differences here are:

- He's managed and succeeded in a tougher league. Portugese league is better quality and Benfica & Porto are both bigger than Sporting. Ten Hag managed easily the biggest team in Holland.
- He actually has charisma and charm so should get the media onside early and help him communicate his tactics to the players than ten Hag ever could, as he was awkward at best.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Going by the video's being shown and his preference regarding his tactical set we're likely going to see something like this :

---------------------------------Onana----------------------------------
----------------Martinez--Bruno--Amad------------------
Ugarte----------------------------------------------------Mainoo
----------------------De Ligt---------Rashford---------------------------
--------------------Casemiro-------Dalot---------------------------------
--------------------------------Hojlund----------------------------------------
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Don’t think it is a proper lineup to start with. You must switch Onana with Hojlund to make it perfect.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Just me who thinks that photo looks fake ?
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Yup. Original isn’t quite so positive for Bruno.
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The holy trinity 68 said:
Van Gaal did the same and look how that turned out, sticking to your own tactics or changing them based on the players doesn't mean it won't work for another manager. All managers are different and the interpersonal skills of the managers is just as important as the tactics.
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"Interpersonal skills" - probably the strongest attribute of Amorim, to be honest.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I understand being excited, but just because a manager insists on using a formation he is used to? That could be a sign he has an "identity", but also a sign that he is stubborn/lacks adaptability. I dont think ETH's problem was he didnt have a system, its that his system didnt work, and he failed to fix/change it.

Also a formation is not an identity.
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Stubborn is style of play.. not identity. If you are not going to be stubborn about the identity, we might as well have kept Ten Hag.

There are signs that is doesn't lack adaptability.. I will bring you one example. Against City.. he played a certain style in the first half. 343 and they got dominated... even he said it in his post match. Do you know what he did at half time? he adapted, he moved Goncalves deeper to make it more a 3-5-2 to get more control of the midfield.

Something we were all asking Ten Hag to do, once he saw his midfield keep getting overrun.

Adaptability can be as little as that, where most fans wont even know there has been a change.
 
RDCR07 said:
Longer 6-7 minute video. You can clearly the see the system and play he employed at Sporting especially when Mounts runs into the channel and crosses it.

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a couple things stand out right from the start....his energy and how he communicates taht energy to the players is something i think they will enjoy and you'll see it have an impact on the player. Players need that energy and enthusiasm from their manager to keep the motivation high

not surprising to see mount and amad as the inside forward simply b/c they are much more technical and their movements are better served in that position...i think the biggest impact though will be for Kobbie and Case having that extra players in and around them defensively so that their lack of mobility isn't such an issue and they can help each other in the build up phases
 
hellhunter said:
A bit amusing that people are convinced we weren't coached under ETH because they watched a 7 minute video of Amorim. I'm sure you can find identical footage for ETH.

I'm as hopeful and convinced as anyone that Amorim will be great, but those 7 minutes mean nothing
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Yeah that's very true but still nice to see someone so involved, have noticed some people saying he's giving too much away to Ipswich before Sunday in these videos.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Van Gaal did the same and look how that turned out, sticking to your own tactics or changing them based on the players doesn't mean it won't work for another manager. All managers are different and the interpersonal skills of the managers is just as important as the tactics.
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Yep.

Its about execution. Not about whether the manager is playing 3 atb.

I remember during Ole days the forum was sick of 2 man midfields, and was sure a move to 4-3-3 would unleash attacking football. It did not, that's not how it works. Now the forum is back to craving for a 2 man midfield after Ten Hag's 3-1-6 shape.

Its not about the shapes/formations. Its how you play. Amorim's in game management and man management is what I wanna see.
 
romufc said:
This is what happens when you have a coach who has a system. Whilst he may tweak it to suit some players, the principles remain.

The fact that from 1st training, he is focusing on the 3-4-3, is a good sign. Then once the system is sorted, you are just placing players within that system as everyone knows what each player in every position does.

He has profiles in positions, which the players have to match.

With cut backs, the change of us scoring cut backs is going to be so good because for the past how many years, we are the ones always conceding cut backs.
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Yeah hate comparing us to those cheating feckers but City scored a lot them involving Sterling
 
Nice videos of the training with our new coach but I must caution that we all check our emotions right now!

Rome wasn’t built in a day, it will take multiple sessions and at least three or four new specialist players to be recruited for the team to fulfil its potential with this new system.

I watch a lot of Portuguese football and Amorim did wonders with players who are not quite as good as what we have however his Sporting team were so well drilled for over 4 years.

He has a swagger and a charm about him however if you closely watch his 3421 system and yes it’s a 3421 not a 343 with Sporting, he groups his players into 3’s so if build up is down the left side but switches to the right, you might see CB to LCB to LM.

The Left Midfield becomes the base of the next triangle and he may pass to RM who plays to RWB. The Right Wing Back then pivots and becomes the focal point of the final attack which involves R10 and CF,, Supported by the RCM, so you can see spinimg triangular patterns until they find a gap in the opposition until the RWB may over or under lap, his starting position is now filled by RCM and then the RWB cuts back for R10 to shoot or create a chance for CF.

This form of possession based football takes multiple training sessions of repetition so as a fan base, I must caution patience, we are not going to start beating everybody three, four and five nil!

Let’s get behind the new coach and squad and be measured in over celebration as well as our indulgence to sometimes go over board with criticism after a poor result or defeat.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah hate comparing us to those cheating feckers but City scored a lot them involving Sterling
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The thing is we have a player that will make underlapping runs but we haven't seen anything of him in a United shirt.

Mount. He is actually really good at underlapping and getting in that are for a cut back, a bit like a KDB in that aspect, how many times have we seen KDB make those runs.

Obviously the big difference is Mount does not have the same delivery.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Don’t mind us being more conservative but I hope that just results in us being more clever in the market as opposed to holding on to mediocrity.
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Only time will tell. The reality of it is that INEOS have been making cuts all across the board, whether rightly or wrongly. From a business perspective rather than a sporting one it is similar to other large corporations making cost cuts at the moment, demanding return to office etc... Working on a modest budget is fine if we have to for a period of time, however, we are not a Brighton or a Brentford. If we need to splash the cash to get a top player in then we should. It shouldn't be an either or. Our financial power should be just one of many things we leverage to get us back to the top, after all, that is what makes us a superclub. If we have a scouting team that can identify diamonds in the rough, then they should be able to find top players who it is worth spending top money on. We will see what INEOS's true intentions will be in a few years time.
 
flameinthesun said:
Only time will tell. The reality of it is that INEOS have been making cuts all across the board, whether rightly or wrongly. From a business perspective rather than a sporting one it is similar to other large corporations making cost cuts at the moment, demanding return to office etc... Working on a modest budget is fine if we have to for a period of time, however, we are not a Brighton or a Brentford. If we need to splash the cash to get a top player in then we should. It shouldn't be an either or. Our financial power should be just one of many things we leverage to get us back to the top, after all, that is what makes us a superclub. If we have a scouting team that can identify diamonds in the rough, then they should be able to find top players who it is worth spending top money on. We will see what INEOS's true intentions will be in a few years time.
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I think our days of splashing the cash on top players will be put on hold until the team has a solid foundation. Which in reality it is the best way to go.

Having all positions covered, then introducing a top player into a functioning squad is ideal over spending the budget on a top player in a dysfunctional team, and then wondering why the team isn't doing better.
 
flameinthesun said:
Only time will tell. The reality of it is that INEOS have been making cuts all across the board, whether rightly or wrongly. From a business perspective rather than a sporting one it is similar to other large corporations making cost cuts at the moment, demanding return to office etc... Working on a modest budget is fine if we have to for a period of time, however, we are not a Brighton or a Brentford. If we need to splash the cash to get a top player in then we should. It shouldn't be an either or. Our financial power should be just one of many things we leverage to get us back to the top, after all, that is what makes us a superclub. If we have a scouting team that can identify diamonds in the rough, then they should be able to find top players who it is worth spending top money on. We will see what INEOS's true intentions will be in a few years time.
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We have seen these headlines every season. He wont have the money Ten Hag did because the man wasted alot of the clubs money.

We have to be conservative, paying top fees and top wages whilst not being in the CL is not sustainable.

I actually think the cuts are a good thing, we clearly have not been an efficient club, when the reception lady is getting paid £1m a year for sentimental reasons.

We have to run the business side of it as a business, so people in offices and what not is what the owners want.

All these cuts have an impact on the overall FFP, lower overheads means more money to be spent on the team. I mean we still got 5 players in this summer.
 
romufc said:
The thing is we have a player that will make underlapping runs but we haven't seen anything of him in a United shirt.

Mount. He is actually really good at underlapping and getting in that are for a cut back, a bit like a KDB in that aspect, how many times have we seen KDB make those runs.

Obviously the big difference is Mount does not have the same delivery.
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We should be more worried about Mount even being able to stay fit never mind whether he is good enough for the managers tactics.
 
Rashford and Casemiro praising Amorim training after 1 session. Love to see it
 
Woziak said:
Nice videos of the training with our new coach but I must caution that we all check our emotions right now!

Rome wasn’t built in a day, it will take multiple sessions and at least three or four new specialist players to be recruited for the team to fulfil its potential with this new system.

I watch a lot of Portuguese football and Amorim did wonders with players who are not quite as good as what we have however his Sporting team were so well drilled for over 4 years.

He has a swagger and a charm about him however if you closely watch his 3421 system and yes it’s a 3421 not a 343 with Sporting, he groups his players into 3’s so if build up is down the left side but switches to the right, you might see CB to LCB to LM.

The Left Midfield becomes the base of the next triangle and he may pass to RM who plays to RWB. The Right Wing Back then pivots and becomes the focal point of the final attack which involves R10 and CF,, Supported by the RCM, so you can see spinimg triangular patterns until they find a gap in the opposition until the RWB may over or under lap, his starting position is now filled by RCM and then the RWB cuts back for R10 to shoot or create a chance for CF.

This form of possession based football takes multiple training sessions of repetition so as a fan base, I must caution patience, we are not going to start beating everybody three, four and five nil!

Let’s get behind the new coach and squad and be measured in over celebration as well as our indulgence to sometimes go over board with criticism after a poor result or defeat.
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Rome was not built in a day because Ruben Amorim was not the architect of Rome ;)
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
We should be more worried about Mount even being able to stay fit never mind whether he is good enough for the managers tactics.
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I think we will see players fitness improve. Ten Hag ran the players to the ground which caused alot of injuries.

But yeah like you say mate, he needs to stay fit first, that should be his main goal this season.
 
romufc said:
I think we will see players fitness improve. Ten Hag ran the players to the ground which caused alot of injuries.

But yeah like you say mate, he needs to stay fit first, that should be his main goal this season.
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Mount had a lot of injuries problems at Chelsea in the 12 months prior to his United move.

I still can't get my had around how the club paid £60m for him considering the below. Absolutely baffling.

1. A player with his injury record
2. A player with only 12 months remaining on his contract
3. His best position was the position occupied by the teams best player that had/has an almost perfect injury record.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Mount had a lot of injuries problems at Chelsea in the 12 months prior to his United move.

I still can't get my had around how the club paid £60m for him considering the below. Absolutely baffling.

1. A player with his injury record
2. A player with only 12 months remaining on his contract
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Second point is fair, but he didn't really have a concerning injury record before coming to United.
 
DJ_21 said:
Rashford and Casemiro praising Amorim training after 1 session. Love to see it
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Sorry to piss on your parade and I really wish I care share your optimism on this but it is not really something that's new. They've done this before under ETH too.



I really hope Amorim works out but I'm cautious about praising anything until we are few months in.
 
saik said:
Sorry to piss on your parade and I really wish I care share your optimism on this but it is not really something that's new. They've done this before under ETH too.



I really hope Amorim works out but I'm cautious about praising anything until we are few months in.
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Aye said this yesterday, people getting giddy over that sort of aspect of things need to settle down. Social media is mostly nonsense, those sort of posts are really just fodder to please simpletons.
 
Judas said:
Where on earth does Zirkzee fit in if we go with the most likely formation?
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Stylistically, he'd work in one of the two number 10 slots behind the striker. Whether he's good enough to force his way into the team is another matter.
 
saik said:
Sorry to piss on your parade and I really wish I care share your optimism on this but it is not really something that's new. They've done this before under ETH too.



I really hope Amorim works out but I'm cautious about praising anything until we are few months in.
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Ye but one thing Amorim is doing which ETH rarely did is getting involved in training. Every time I see pics of ETH in training he was stood with his hands behind his back watching. Amorim is actually coaching some stuff.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Novelty factor. Let’s see if they are still praising after session 101 and session 1001.
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Casemiro probably won’t be here next season anyway. If Rashford can get to some form and raise his value then he could also be sold eventually.
 
quadrant said:
Stylistically, he'd work in one of the two number 10 slots behind the striker. Whether he's good enough to force his way into the team is another matter.
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Isn’t he far too slow for that position? I do agree that it’s the only place he kind of fits, but even then I feel like he’s not quite right.
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye but one thing Amorim is doing which ETH rarely did is getting involved in training. Every time I see pics of ETH in training he was stood with his hands behind his back watching. Amorim is actually coaching some stuff.
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I don't dispute that but we really can't be reading too much into these posts from players. Atleast I can't. Irrespective of how involved Amorim is in training, we've seen this stuff before.
 
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