Which results in that time frame were particularly surprising?And I'm baffled by anyone pretending that the 2 months before the second week of February. We failed to gain points when we had Amad, Rashford, Antony, Collyer, Mainoo and Martinez. This reframing of that period is strange.
Which results in that time frame were particularly surprising?
And you say those names like they are special, they aren't. We hope Amad might be, Rashford sits on the bench for Villa, Mainoo has fallen off a cliff (but is still only 19), Martinez isn't a good defender, Antony?!.
Yep I overrated us, but did see it as more likely lower than 8th than higher so I'm just not surprised at all by it.All of them, the performances were underwhelming for the vast majority and the exception were against Arsenal and City. And I named these players because injuries and players being out today was brought up as if it was something that applied to the entirey of the past 3 months.
Also while you weren't sold on that team, you thought that 8th was our spot. So logically you expected better from this team than a 31% win rate.
I don't agree with this man but I have to respect how much reputation he's gambling on United not finishing 2 positions ahead of where they are.This is realistically the best 4-2-3-1 formation we could play with the available players since the triple injury blow. There's so few available forwards we'd have to play Dorgu or Bruno on the wing. 6! of these players are also brand new to Premier League football this season. Is this side winning enough games to finish in the top 12, under any manager? Clearly not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless or deluded.
Yep I overrated us, but did see it as more likely lower than 8th than higher so I'm just not surprised at all by it.
I don't think anyone in August thought that Höjlund would turn into a poor Championship striker or that Mainoo and Garnacho would stop developing. Garnacho has missed numerous chances as well, clearly independent of who our manager is. A total shitshow of a season and of course bad luck with injuries.And do you think that this overrating has anything to do with the coaching? Because your initial argument was and still is correct, we lack goal scoring, so nothing changed on that front.
Minimal. Reading back my pre season posts I said we were relying on another Rashford purple patch for goals. Instead we've lost him completely. No coach can overcome a complete lack of attacking quality.And do you think that this overrating has anything to do with the coaching? Because your initial argument was and still is correct, we lack goal scoring, so nothing changed on that front.
Minimal. Reading back my pre season posts I said we were relying on another Rashford purple patch for goals. Instead we've lost him completely. No coach can overcome a complete lack of attacking quality.
I'm not sure whether the Rashford situation is a mark against Amorim or enforced given we need the money.
I don't think anyone in August thought that Höjlund would turn into a poor Championship striker or that Mainoo and Garnacho would stop developing. Garnacho has missed numerous chances as well, clearly independent of who our manager is. A total shitshow of a season and of course bad luck with injuries.
Backing a manager that hasn't shown anything whatsoever is the opposite of responsible and pure blind hope
Indeed. The lack of physicality and players comfortable in possession has led to where we are now, really.
I don't think anyone in August thought that Höjlund would turn into a poor Championship striker or that Mainoo and Garnacho would stop developing. Garnacho has missed numerous chances as well, clearly independent of who our manager is. A total shitshow of a season and of course bad luck with injuries.
We could do that, possibly throw away another season, oooor we could learn from the very predictable ten Hag disaster of this season and cut out losses early?
Backing a failing manager comes down to blind faith, not doing anything responsible.
There's at least 8 teams with better than those 4 as a collective. Rashfords on Villa's bench.Fair enough, I fundamentally disagree especially when we have and had attacking quality unless one believes that Amad, Garnacho, Rashford and especially Bruno are so bad that no coach can have an average attack with them.
There's at least 8 teams with better than those 4 as a collective. Rashfords on Villa's bench.
We've scored the 15th most goals. We'd expect more, yes but there's a limit to these players. Garnacho missing chances isn't on Amorim.
It's not that they are useless etc. Quality of players is just far more important. Do you think Slot would be anywhere near the title if Salah had been injured all season instead of fit every game? Has Guardiola suddenly become a worse coach or is more likely down to losing Rodri and other key players getting old?I don't think that these things are independent to who the manager is. Developing players is a big part of a manager's job, putting them in a mental state that is conducive to confident and efficient performances is also his job.
That's where I'm kind of lost with many fans, basically managers are useless, they have no responsibility, results and performances have nothing to do with them. In that case the best move is to not have one.
There's at least 8 teams with better than those 4 as a collective. Rashfords on Villa's bench.
We've scored the 15th most goals. We'd expect more, yes but there's a limit to these players. Garnacho missing chances isn't on Amorim.
Agreed, and I find it hard to identify one area where Amorim has improved us. 90% of our PL games start with us conceding, something is very wrong. But I also think it would be very difficult for any manager to finish top 8 with this squad. It was an additional risk to hire a manager intent on playing 3421, let's see if he survives the summer.I don't think that these things are independent to who the manager is. Developing players is a big part of a manager's job, putting them in a mental state that is conducive to confident and efficient performances is also his job.
That's where I'm kind of lost with many fans, basically managers are useless, they have no responsibility, results and performances have nothing to do with them. In that case the best move is to not have one.
It's not that they are useless etc. Quality of players is just far more important. Do you think Slot would be anywhere near the title if Salah had been injured all season instead of fit every game? Has Guardiola suddenly become a worse coach or is more likely down to losing Rodri and other key players getting old?
My biggest issue with Ten Hag was recruitment. That's what's ruined us far more than his awful system.
On that basis you're at the other end of the scale where Slot is the main reason Liverpool are top and Russell Martin/Juric is the reason they are bottom.No your point is that they are useless. And yes there is a fair chance that after 9 years, Guardiola doesn't have the same ability to coax more from his players in difficult times, it's fairly normal for managers to regress with age or after a long time in the same place.
Managers are also sometime out of form, it can take them a few years to get it back.
In fairness we’ve spunked a fortune up the wall on very little. I don’t feel for Pep. I am scared where we get the funds from to sort our mess.Poor Pep. My heart bleeds.
That‘s probably for the best.I just.... I don't even know where to start with any of that, my word.
It's like some people's eyes and brains genuinely work in a different way - like living in opposite world. It's so far from reality that I don't even think I can begin to start to craft any kind of reply that would scratch the surface of the unreality encased in those four sentences.
So I'll just bid you a pleasant evening
On that basis you're at the other end of the scale where Slot is the main reason Liverpool are top and Russell Martin/Juric is the reason they are bottom.
Garnacho is a winger, they aren't supposed to be the main goalscorers.I would argue that the reason we are were we are is because we can’t score goals.
Our £71million striker hasn’t scored for 19 games. Gernacho our wonderkid around the same.
We had to move on Rashford and Anthony as they were both crap for us. This isn’t just under Amorim.
We have lost our other young created
In fairness we’ve spunked a fortune up the wall on very little. I don’t feel for Pep. I am scared where we get the funds from to sort our mess.
Tell us your best XI and I'll easily give you 8 better.
I would argue that the reason we are were we are is because we can’t score goals.
Our £71million striker hasn’t scored for 19 games. Gernacho our wonderkid around the same.
We had to move on Rashford and Anthony as they were both crap for us. This isn’t just under Amorim.
We have lost our other young created
In fairness we’ve spunked a fortune up the wall on very little. I don’t feel for Pep. I am scared where we get the funds from to sort our mess.
And I never suggested they were useless.No because I never suggested that a head coach is the only reason behind a team being successful. I simply think that it's a key component and I also think that a good head coach will elevate an average bunch because the only reasons teams hire head coaches is to make the sum bigger than the parts and develop said parts.
Firstly 5 of them are currently unavailable.Onana
Maz De Ligt Martinez Shaw
Mainoo Ugarte
Fernandes
Amad Rashford Garnacho
That is a damn decent 11 that should be finishing top 8.
Obviously Shaw has been out injured and Martinez and Amad are now out for the season, but I’m sick to death of so many saying that the squad is championship level.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the system to be as bad as we are.
And I never suggested they were useless.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the system to be as bad as we are.
Would Liverpool have been as good this season without Salah, yes or no?To some extent you did by suggesting that a manager can't coax great results out of his team if he loses a key player or when your biggest issue is something that isn't supposed to be led by a head coach.
But to answer your question, didn't City win the league with De Bruyne missing most of a season? Why the same couldn't happen for Liverpool and Salah?
Exactly. If the "system" was anything other than snakeoil we would be seeing some progress by now.
I think these players are shit, but distinctly remember most saying Rasmus should be part of the rebuild. Doesn't seem right the way he gets slated on here and needs to be sold now.
Not like he's missing guilt edge chances. Ruben has to take some responsibility here.
Oh please.. when will players hold themselves responsible? Manchester United is the reason why Hojlund struggles to trap a simple pass? United is the reason why he can't make runs and create space for himself? Is Manchester united the reason why he spends most games scrapping with defenders instead of eluding them?If you watch his goal reels since joining us he can finish. Theres some great finishes from him. In his first season he was also starting to get into good poaching positions. It was a positive start.
He’s just totally regressed on everything. Like many players that come here, we managed to smash his career into the ground in a big ball of flames. I dont know what it is but I know its a pattern - do any players improve here? We’ve even destroyed Mainoo and Garnacho. We’ll make Dorgu look like a pub team player in no time at all.
Also why is he going to score loads of goals? We dont get many goals in general.
He’s not useless in my opinion but he’s in a right run of appaling form and the club may or may not be able to turn it around. It would certainly hell for him to be out of the team for a while
He’s giving a bad name to snake oil merchants.Exactly. If the "system" was anything other than snakeoil we would be seeing some progress by now.
It was time for Marcus to pull his head in and get down to work or to go. Sure, he might have scored for us or given assists if he hadn`t gone to Villa but the new manager has enough on his plate without having to plead with one of United`s own youth products not to leave when in fact Marcus made it clear through the media he wanted a move. And when the new manager is hearing allegations that Marcus was out on the town and having to confront him about whether it`s true or not, it`s time spent wasting energy that should be put into the team.Minimal. Reading back my pre season posts I said we were relying on another Rashford purple patch for goals. Instead we've lost him completely. No coach can overcome a complete lack of attacking quality.
I'm not sure whether the Rashford situation is a mark against Amorim or enforced given we need the money.
Gernacho gets lots of chances and has had quite a few he should have buried. Salah can therefore also be considered a winger.Garnacho is a winger, they aren't supposed to be the main goalscorers.
