Clear daylight between defender and attacker is the way to go. At least you could make the argument in that case that an advantage is being gained.
Round of 16 | Switzerland vs Italy | Germany vs Denmark
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Clear daylight between defender and attacker is the way to go. At least you could make the argument in that case that an advantage is being gained.
Then you have strikers camping in the other penalty box. How fun.
P. Schmeichel having a meltdown.
So what? It is very rare for assistant to make that big of a mistake. We want clear and obvious errors away, not all errors.
it’s amazes me that some people don’t get this, loads of people talk about things like daylight or just going of the feet without twigging that all they are doing is moving the line to somewhere else where somebody can be 1mm offside and not actually solving anything. With var, unless you actively make it artificially less accurate somehow, this is all you’re gonna get.
Clear daylight is clear daylight, that you can see daylight between the back of one player and the front of another player.
The game was even, before Michael Oliver gave the penalty, and Denmark could - at this point - just as well had won the game.
Why not? There would be more goals and long passes.
No offsides would make football 5 times more exciting than it is now.
You sound like an American, who has never played the game, and has no clue.
Outperformed England, Serbia, Slovenia, Albania and Scotland's total xG so far in the tournament.
Ummm… I do want all errors away. It sucks. Denmark was unlucky. Shit happens.
Germans will be tough to beat with home support. Defence can be got at though by a more clinical team.
Ok. Most people don't
They need to do away with offsides like this. Someone’s toenail being offside is nonsense.
I had a twitter discussion with someone who was claiming these were okay because my thinking was that they have to choose a frame whereby to see if the player was off. Sometimes the frame can't be very clear because of the framerate and therefore choosing one frame from the next can change the decision (such as this one). My thinking was that there should be some leeway for the onfield decision (1m).
The person though mentioned that for the automated system there is a sensor on the ball, which tells when the ball has been played and the decision is made based on that. So it makes it a bit more clear, even as frustrating as it is.
QF loss to Spain seems fair for this German side
That’s what happened when they experimented with abolishing offside in some test games. You just got two groups of players in each area lobbing the ball to each other, with no midfield at all. Became a completely different sport, and not in a good way.
I think Schmeichel, Eriksen, Delaney and Kjær all are going to stop for Denmark now.
Even some of the best teenagers ever to impress in international football are better than these youngsters.
I’m making no such argument. It seems fairly to me that you could say if there is a clear gap between the attacker and defender that such a scenario could be deemed clear offside. This toenail stuff the two players are basically standing in exactly the same position.
Lapses in concentration is never a good trait in a CB but a slower paced league can mask that.
Well deserved win for the Germans. We played better than I had dared hope until the penalty though.
Given we are in a transition it makes me hopeful for the future.
Given we are in a transition it makes me hopeful for the future.
But you'll still need frames to determine the position of the players, no?
According to the rules he had to give it. Would you have given the German goal with the Kimmich block or would you have had VAR look at Sane being tripped? I get that you are bitter. Football can be cruel and lucky/unlucky.
It doesn't fix anything just moves the line, moving the line and someone will still be a toe offside at certain times.
Anyway.. 8 years of hurt have ended tonight, with Germany finally winning a knock out game. After such a long wait it would only be fair if they win the tournament now.
No, there wouldn’t. If a striker camps in the box then a defender will be there with him.
Thought we were the better team and deserved the win, missed a bucket load of chances ourselves to seal the game earlier.
Really need to improve our finishing (*cough* Havertz) in the later stages now. The likes of Spain won't give us many chances.
Really need to improve our finishing (*cough* Havertz) in the later stages now. The likes of Spain won't give us many chances.
Good thing ITV have that Christina Unkel on hand - I was starting to think that the refereeing decisions make no sense
Andersen's mobility was Maguire like for that Musiala goal, wasn't even at full pace and was still moving away from him.
but what if the Lino isn’t in perfect line with the play, that will affect wether there is daylight or not and it won’t need much of a misalignment to change the outcome completely and the attacker/defender won’t even be able to judge wether they or anyone else are offside or not because it will be dependent on the position of the lino or camera or whatever you are using to judge it.
There is zero doubt that England's #1 problem is a shitty coach, and shitty coach ruins morale, as well. However, it is also true that England lack courage and dedication. The quality of players they have, even with idiotic selections, they could have no coach, no strategy, just playing street ball and they should still be able to beat a team like Slovenia. There was no excuse for their poor performance. Same for Italy, of course Spalletti shitted his pants, but the way Italians played, lazy, slow, no fight - was very much on players as well
Not buying that, and I won't let myself get dragged into the "ref won them the match" narrative.
It's ridiculous. Denmark had good chances but the better team won at the end. That said, Germany will have to massively up their game in the next rounds.
On a side note, the storm in Dortmund in the first half just reached us here in Cologne. The thunderclaps are quite something.
Exactly. Just clear offsides, not marginal offside.
But you have a sensor on the ball to tell you the exact moment the ball is played. With the automated system the VAR ref would have to guess when it's been fully played but here the system determines it.
Unlucky for Denmark in some ways, but Germany saw it through.
Germany will probably have to do something like what Italy did in the last Euros and accept that they're probably not going to have much of the ball against Spain. It'll be a very tough game for them but they can win it.
Germany will probably have to do something like what Italy did in the last Euros and accept that they're probably not going to have much of the ball against Spain. It'll be a very tough game for them but they can win it.
I get what you are saying, but what is „a clear gap“? That leaves room for interpretation. It sucks the way it is now but it is fair.
It was relatively competitive after the 35 minutes of hammering that came before the break. But at no point was it even. You guys did very well but Germany were always the better team and on top. People do this all the time where the underdog is competitive. There was no stage in that game where Germany weren't better despite you guys looking decent.
Sickening he picked Germany over England
On another note, getting a last gasp draw against Switzerland doesn't look so bad now.