Rüdiger is one of the biggest cnuts that are currently playing. Always trying to wind strikers up and always diving at the slightest touch and exaggerating everything
Round of 16 | Switzerland vs Italy | Germany vs Denmark
- Thread starter top1whoisman
- Start date
Thats true but Denmarks 1:0 that was ruled off was an equally absurd free kick.
Handball is an indirect free kick unless it prevents a scoring opportunity. Problem solved?
It can be whatever the authorities end up on but it would all be better as it would actually have some allowance for human error. There's no significant benefit gained from a toe, a foot yes.
The offside system they've been using in the euros is perfect in my opinion, just needs a tweak. I can understand why some prefer human interpretation but for me that's already a proven failure over decades.
Anyway, this was a very poor tournament for Denmark. They need to freshen the team up. I don’t want to see Eriksen, Hojbjerg, Vestergaard, Delaney etc playing in the next tournament.
Not really. What is „a scoring opportunity“? Kroos shooting from 40m or Morata being alone in front of the goal?
Germany won comfortably 2:0 against France… France isn’t great anymore.
I mean red carding someone for preventing a goal scoring opportunity (via handball) exists already, don't have to invent a new definition
You triple the line and then someones toe is beyond the tripled line and we still have people saying needs to be a bigger line than the bigger line. So people say that reasonable distance needs a different reasonable distance when we get a tight call using the new one etc... The point is there will always be contentious decisions based on lines and frames where said lines are captured. But adding in offsets etc.. will only see the same discussion come up based on the offset. I wish I knew a good solution cause what he have is shite currently but I don't think moving the lines is it.
I also don't think saying there needs to be daylight is it either as that makes defending against an Mbappe etc.. almost impossible.
Something needs to change but I've not heard any solutions where I think "That could work"
Fecking german luck ffs 
Ah well. I'll just reminisce about that time Chiellini bullied Jordi Alba before the penalties, or when he grabbed Saka like a dad stopping his hyperactive 4 year old from running under a car
The good times
Ah well. I'll just reminisce about that time Chiellini bullied Jordi Alba before the penalties, or when he grabbed Saka like a dad stopping his hyperactive 4 year old from running under a car
The good times
And how will you decide when an offside is clear and when not?
Morata being alone in front of goal. Handling a ball from 40 meters doesnt happen.
I don't mind the offside but that handball felt harsh in the sense that the punishment is a pen.
I think the rules need some more appreciation of the game.
I think the rules need some more appreciation of the game.
Conscious or not, nobody can judge unless someone crawls into your head. That's why the rule is: If you unnecessarily increase your body surface area and then get hit in the arm, it is a foul.
PS: I don't like the rule. For me, the rule should depend on the result: If the team that handled the ball has an advantage from it, then there should be a penalty. Whether it was intentional or not. For me, that is the only objective and verifiable criterion.
PPS: Even under that criterion it would be a penalty because he deflected the cross, which might otherwise have led to a goal.
Referees need to be given licence to use common sense
This is something people higher up know but don't want to talk about it. It is ridiculous to give a team a free shot from 12 yards for a handball decision like that.
I'm sure there can be a new law made that makes these types of decisions more equitable in terms of chances of scoring prevented. A free kick from the area of the hand all seems more fair, they can create a new, smaller penalty box (within the existing one, which would be left for keepers) that would not punish the offense like the Danish handball with a penalty
Hey, let me make fun of him! (I actually think he is way better than made out and had some sort of a mental blockade. I was feeling sorry for him. I am actually happy that he had a really good season at Atleti.)
The handball was absurd, he gave a lot of free kicks to Germany but felt the two disallowed goals were fair.
I was talking about the offside, and whether the technology can really get it absolutely spot on without any error at all.
But to address what you said, if "the rules are the rules" they wouldn't be applied so inconsistently.
But...the ball hit the arm. What does common sense do differently here? If the rules say it's a pen, then it's a pen.
I was able to root for van Bommel when he was at Bayern. I can handle Rüdiger for (hopefully) four weeks.He's our boy for the next few weeks, you can defend him for then
Ah you meant because Morata is shit
The problem with the "daylight" offside rule is it kills the offside trap completely so teams are forced to defend very deep so there's no space in behind their defence. A higher defensive line with space for the attacker to run into would be suicidal. I'm pretty sure this won't make for a better game to watch.
Also you're still going to have very close marginal offsides no matter the rule. If there's 2cm of daylight, then you'll have people complaining that you can't give an offside over 2cm.
Meh. It’s at least just as likely that both those calls would have gone the other way, and everyone here has seen that happen.
The problem is when/where/how the refs interject themselves into the game.
No, I said the two teams were "even" before the penalty. The first 10 minutes Germany dominated. After that the two teams were 100% even until the penalty. After the penalty Germany were best. But the penalty decision was decisive, as the teams were exactly equal before then. And of course it wasn't a penalty kick.
Illegal screening, very clear free kick. There is no doubt that Oliver gave Germany a lot in this game - and VAR gave a penalty that (not that it was a wrong decision according to the rules, but I doubt it would’ve been clear and obvious in the PL).
That doesn’t change that they won deservingly and had more chances especially in the first 20 minutes.
I will repeat what many have said, if that is the interpretation then a penalty is a disproportionately harsh punishment, and football needs to consider other options.
Yeah Musiala just looks better. They have the Bellingham, Foden situation and dealt with it by dropping one. Hope England follow suit.
I agree with this sentiment yes.
Eriksen is still a fine footballer
Uhm, have you followed the debate and changes the last couple of years?
This was a perfect example of a player running for which you use your arms - he didn’t “stick it out”, that’s ridiculous.
I don't even know why were talking about this.
A) The hand is quite quite far away from the body.
B) The arm is raised.
C) The ball didn't come out of nowhere, as a defender such a cross is all you think about.
D) UEFA's line of officiating has been very strict with these types of situations. Nearly every CL week we have people compaining about a harsh hand ball penalty.
Like here's a random scene from the same game. Andrich knows a cross/shot is coming, he knows the UEFA ruleset, so he does the penguin.
I don't think the referee decided the game today. Yes, he made a few too many decisions in midfield in favour of the Germans - I didn't like those either. But none of the decisions were decisive. The disallowed goal by the Danes was offside. Offside is a 1 or 0 decision that the referee has nothing to do with. The penalty was correct according to the existing rules - I don't like the rules either. And honestly, the decision to ignore the foul on Sane because it was supposedly an advantage was a really big mistake - but against Germany. That could have been a red card for Denmark.
Anyone who has ever had his team play against Real Madrid knows what one-sided referees are - today was really nothing compared to that...
Anyone who has ever had his team play against Real Madrid knows what one-sided referees are - today was really nothing compared to that...
I hate the current handball rule, but Germany just about deserved the win despite the circumstances.
Looking forward to seeing them (more than likely) against Spain where I assume they'll play on the counter.
Looking forward to seeing them (more than likely) against Spain where I assume they'll play on the counter.
Shitty way to lose a game with the two VAR calls, but in the end Germany were clearly better, and could have been up by one or two within the first 15 minutes on another day. You can't even really complain about the VAR calls with the current rules. Delaney is marginally offside and these should be called, and the handball we've seen given many times. I do think we need to assess the proper punishment for those kinds of decisions though - a penalty is way too harsh for random handballs like that.
Busted!Ah you meant because Morata is shit
You aren't wrong, I think the right decisions were made given the mandate laid out for the officials, but I also think if you go pre var the goal gets a couple of replays, people say level and we move on with no fuss while very few would be screaming pen for the handball.
Or maybe I am imagining a more sensible past that didn't exist, which is also likely.