Ross Barkley

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Very talented player but not what we need at all from what I've seen. My Everton supporting friends all seem to think he's best as a number ten atm, which is literally the last position we need to strengthen.

Why sign another player we'd realistically have to play out of position? Can we not sign an actual cm?
 
RDCR07 said:
Its basically playing a #10 because Barkley will move up when attacking. So the formation will be like this:

RVP

Rooney------Barkley------Mata

Cleverely-----Carrick​


RVP

Rooney--------------------Mata

Barkley------Cleverley

Carrick​
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A number 10 floats between the midfield and forwards, an AM plays as part of a midfield 3 and breaks forward at the right times, that is where Barkley would play well, Rooney to me is best suited as a #9 in rotation with RvP and I think we'll start most games with one of Welbeck/Januzaj in the front 3.
 
Bloody excited to see him in Europe next year. Wish Hodgson would have some bollocks and play him in friendlies too.
 
SilentWitness said:
Bloody excited to see him in Europe next year. Wish Hodgson would have some bollocks and play him in friendlies too.
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I think Wilshere and Henderson are better players at the moment. Barkley is exciting, but if he was to play I would have him as the furthest forward in a midfield three.
Henderson and Wilshere aren't exactly great at sitting and are most effective when they burst from deep, however I feel they make better decisions than Barkley right now. I agree though that Barkley should have had more time on the pitch against Peru.
 
iBoss said:
I think Wilshere and Henderson are better players at the moment. Barkley is exciting, but if he was to play I would have him as the furthest forward in a midfield three.
Henderson and Wilshere aren't exactly great at sitting and are most effective when they burst from deep, however I feel they make better decisions than Barkley right now. I agree though that Barkley should have had more time on the pitch against Peru.
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I'd take Rooney out of the next friendlies and see what Barkley can do instead.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'd take Rooney out of the next friendlies and see what Barkley can do instead.
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I don't think anyone could complain. Sturridge deserves to be the man up top and England cannot rely on Rooney for that spot just behind him every game. Saying that, if Barkley has an inconsistent game Rooney will be straight back in. I agree, he should get a chance there though with Rooney on the bench.
 
NMF said:
Am I the only one not fussed about Barkley? His asking price is going to be ridiculous as well, if Shaw is sold for 30M I can imagine Everton wanting 50M.
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I'd love to have him but as you say I feel the asking price would be way too high. He'll be commanding 50-60m which even as his best should really only be commanding that. I just don't see his price rising much and when you are talking those prices you can get almost anyone you want. Maybe in a year or two if he has proven to be in the upper echelon of the league then go for him and as I said I think his price would still be around the same.
 
limerickcitykid said:
I'd love to have him but as you say I feel the asking price would be way too high. He'll be commanding 50-60m which even as his best should really only be commanding that. I just don't see his price rising much and when you are talking those prices you can get almost anyone you want. Maybe in a year or two if he has proven to be in the upper echelon of the league then go for him and as I said I think his price would still be around the same.
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The market for peotential stars has gotten way too stupid now. When you've got relatively unproven players from the Brazilian League like Moura costing 45 million Euros, you know you are better off signing the proven players.
 
It would take a solid £50m, possibly more.

If he progresses, in a season or two it may take Bale money.
 
We should go for him now. Overpay now or face a world record fee if he develops to his full potential.

He could be here for ten plus years. He won't reject us.

Homegrown top talent has been so scarce. We should grab him now.
 
Are people getting a bit carried away with the Barkley hype ? He isn't nearly as good as Rooney was at 20, and its a bit murky as to how good he actually is. Good young player but probably not as good as some might have you believe.
 
Sir Alex's "no value in the market" phrase could never be truer than it is for English talent. 25mil for Lallana, 27mil rejected for Shaw, etc. I doubt Everton would sell for anything less than 50mil which is just mental.
 
JPRouve said:
They don't play the same role and he hasn't the same age.
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Exactly. We have Rooney, Kagawa and Mata who can play in his role. We don't need him. Prefer splashing that kind of money on proper CM or position that we need strengthening (like LB).
 
KingMinger22 said:
We should go for him now. Overpay now or face a world record fee if he develops to his full potential.

He could be here for ten plus years. He won't reject us.

Homegrown top talent has been so scarce. We should grab him now.
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Except that we need to spend money to strengthen other positions that are far more priority from the no.10 role that Barkley plays, like...

1. Central midfielder (probably x2)
2. Central defender
3. Left back
4. Winger
5. Arguably, right back

That's pretty much every other part of the pitch...except Barkley's position where we have Mata, Kagawa, Januzaj, Rooney (at a push), Fellaini (Ok, not Fellaini)

If we fill all the other positions with great players and we still have £40-50m to burn then great
 
Varun said:
Sir Alex's "no value in the market" phrase could never be truer than it is for English talent. 25mil for Lallana, 27mil rejected for Shaw, etc. I doubt Everton would sell for anything less than 50mil which is just mental.
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It's more PL proven talent than strictly ''English''
 
Hoping that despite lack of big interest after Moyesy's departure, we'll be carefully monitoring his situation for next two years to come.

Sooner or later he may become an engine of any team he'll play for... always proud of any quality English addition.
 
KingMinger22 said:
It's more PL proven talent than strictly ''English''
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That's another vastly overused term. 50mil is absolutely crazy money specially in a position where quality players isnt as scarce as it is at other positions, LB or RB for instance. If we overpay for English players, I'd rather we do it at positions where its tough to get talent, not an AM. Plenty of them around and we're already struggling to fit the 3 we have.
 
If he has a good World Cup I dare not think the sort of money Everton would demand for him.

Wish we'd go for him now.
 
Looked decent last night, great dribbling skills and getting past a player. The only negative I saw was he didnt seem to know what to do around the box and his final ball wasn't great but I'm sure that'll come with time.
 
Why do people say he deserves to start? He showed absolutely nothing last night, he had half an hour and he was pretty much invisible apart from that shot when he came on. When he has no space to run at players he offers nothing special.
 
Typical example of an inflated market when dealing with English players. Little boy lost last night who doesn't appear to have a decent footballing brain, just head down & go for goal - top players need a whole lot more than that. A twenty mill decent prospect at best.
 
I don't get the Barkley thing, good player but yet another example of the media hype. Like Shaw, they play for clubs where the expectation is a good season and cup run. The crowds are smaller and each game isn't the opposing teams cup final. Not there fault but the step up is huge. Its not until we see how they respond to the pressure that comes with signing for a big team, till we know what their pedigree will be.

Rio and Rooney have been complete success for us as they delivered over the years to merit the huge amount be paid for them initially.

Adnan (ok utd bias) excites me more.....
 
I thought I was watching a young rooney at times. He is a very good talent and was far more effective than wilshere for example
 
KingMinger22 said:
If he has a good World Cup I dare not think the sort of money Everton would demand for him.

Wish we'd go for him now.
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He appears to be a cam or am, where would we play him?
We already have Rooney, kagawa and mata to play that sort of position.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I don't get the Barkley thing, good player but yet another example of the media hype. Like Shaw, they play for clubs where the expectation is a good season and cup run. The crowds are smaller and each game isn't the opposing teams cup final. Not there fault but the step up is huge. Its not until we see how they respond to the pressure that comes with signing for a big team, till we know what their pedigree will be.

Rio and Rooney have been complete success for us as they delivered over the years to merit the huge amount be paid for them initially.

Adnan (ok utd bias) excites me more.....
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I agree. Its the draw of the PL that hypes certain players up. If barkley was playing in scotland and doing the exact same things, he cost around 20ish million.

Some people are quoting 50million. hes not worth that.
 
I don't understand the hype surrounding this player. Seems very ineffectual every time I see him play. Maybe I am just catching his bad games but I also thought he was one of Everton's poorer players when they beat us.
 
I dont care,yeah so a good italian team he got nullified. the young fella.is just that.

Those that cant acknowledge this lad will in time have it all,well your entitled to your opinion though its mental.

40 million in an instant id on wax him in a heartbeat if Van gaal was interested in replcing Rooney with the likes of this ladas the mantle as our new driving force in a different position,i.e maybe the third midfielder in a 3.


-------carvalho--------
--Gundogan-------
----------------Barkley
Januzaj----------Mata-------
------------Vanp--------
 
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KiD MoYeS said:
There's a Spanish twenty year old somewhere right now who will be twice the player Barkley will be.
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Absolutely, because our players are so limited, anyone with a step over and a season of football and we are impressed. Trust me if he was that good, he wouldn't be at Everton.....
 
If Barkley was a 20 year old United player I am sure the views on him here would be vastly different, just like how very few fans of other clubs rate Welbeck but here there are posts proclaiming he's going to be a world class striker.
 
SilentWitness said:
Glad he's being underrated.
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He hasn't been anywhere close to as good as you lot have been making him out to be. Doesn't look like he'll ever be "special" so to speak, could be a good player, I'd love to be proven wrong for the sake of England but who knows how he'll develop, he could do a Ramsey or he could do a Wilshere.
 
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