Ross Barkley

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FromTheBench said:
Depends on how his end product grows really. As he has more vision and technical ability to carry the ball than a Lampard for example. He can be a Kaka/Lampard sort of Am.
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Perhaps but I can't see him being better than either of those players. Kaka won the ballon d'or, I don't see that in barkley.
 
His final ball isn't there yet but his link up play at time is fantastic, you can give him the ball in nearly any situation and he can keep it which is very un-English like.
 
Fantastic talent, all he needs now is game experience to improve his decision making and choice of final pass. He has more ability than Lamaprd does. He can go very far. We have Januzaj for the future.
 
He was definitely 'overrated' as per usual with English youngsters but there is definitely some traits in him which make him stand out. He carries the ball very well, and English players are generally not very good with the ball at their feet.
 
sun_tzu said:
A lot of players have more ability than Lampard very few apply it as well as him though
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In chelsea he was put in a system that got the most out of his ability. Chelsea Lampard wasn't the same as England Lampard for obvious reasons. Tactics/roles/systems matter when it comes to getting the most out of of a player.
 
Barkley is brilliant. Most talented English youngster since Rooney.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
He was definitely 'overrated' as per usual with English youngsters but there is definitely some traits in him which make him stand out. He carries the ball very well, and English players are generally not very good with the ball at their feet.
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In general or just the golden shite era, if in general, nonsense.
 
I'm still not sure what his best position is/will be but the diamond formation that United and England are currently playing would seem ideal for him as the RCM or even as the AM.

Would love it if we signed him.
 
He could actually player a similar role to what Di Maria has done for United and Madrid last season.
 
I still think his best position will be CM or box-to-box. He's a rare talent for sure. Can see Mourinho wanting him.
 
Red Dreams said:
he will be too big for Everton soon enough. If he is ambitious, he will come to United.
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What if his ambition as an Evertonian is to win a trophy with Everton ? I know I would rather win one F.A cup with Everton than everything else with some other team.
 
Tarrou said:
I still think his best position will be CM or box-to-box. He's a rare talent for sure. Can see Mourinho wanting him.
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Not for me, he's not that tactical kind of player and he's not a workhorse either. He has the qualities that make him a final third player. He can play well in tight spaces, he can shoot well with either feet, he can beat players, he is powerful and he is quick. All the traits of a 10. The defensive side of his game is non existent and I wouldn't waste time trying to drill it into him when the attaching side is so potent.
 
Think he's already said as much. Something about them needing players to stay if they're gonna progress.

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JaffyJoe said:
Not for me, he's not that tactical kind of player and he's not a workhorse either. He has the qualities that make him a final third player. He can play well in tight spaces, he can shoot well with either feet, he can beat players, he is powerful and he is quick. All the traits of a 10. The defensive side of his game is non existent and I wouldn't waste time trying to drill it into him when the attaching side is so potent.
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I see that to a degree too. However, to me the main traits I'd want in a 10 are vision and final ball and I don't think those are his strengths. He can definitely play there. I just think he can be more effective coming from midfield. Like someone already said the ADM role might suit him.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
It would get on my tits too. Like how every latin player 'dreams' of Madrid.
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Don't get me wrong he is obviously going to win a lot more at United and play at a higher level but some peoples ambition might be to play for there boyhood club and become a hero there.
 
BigDunc9 said:
What if his ambition as an Evertonian is to win a trophy with Everton ? I know I would rather win one F.A cup with Everton than everything else with some other team.
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I would respect that. But how many players these days are like that. Someone of his ability would want to play with the best players and be wanting to win the top trophies.

That is not being disloyal to Everton imo.

I'm sure whoever he plays for he will be brilliant. England have a wonderful talent on their hands.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
In general or just the golden shite era, if in general, nonsense.
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I'm 23 with a football memory that dates back to about '98 but that's limited more to United than England/English players in general. So hopefully that'll give you the picture. I'm aware the likes of Gascoigne and co were the shit once upon a time but it's irrelevant in 2014.

The two best players at carrying the ball I can remember were Rooney for a few seasons earlier in his career and Joe Cole when he was actually a very good player for club and country. Other than that it was all about Hollywood passes and shots, crossing and being unable to keep the ball.

Barkley and Sterling are the ones we need to build the national team around now, players who have that technical ability...no matter how raw.
 
Tarrou said:
I see that to a degree too. However, to me the main traits I'd want in a 10 are vision and final ball and I don't think those are his strengths. He can definitely play there. I just think he can be more effective coming from midfield. Like someone already said the ADM role might suit him.
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He has good vision I think his execution and decision making is lacking at times. I feel as he plays more he will improve in that regard he is still only 20, with less than 100 games under his belt. At times he rushes the pass instead of taking his time with it. He could be a number 8. too like ADM, but again that would mean the defensive side of his game having to be improved. For now I think Martinez is the right coach for him, this season and then another and I think he will be ready for the step up.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Don't get me wrong he is obviously going to win a lot more at United and play at a higher level but some peoples ambition might be to play for there boyhood club and become a hero there.
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I agree with that. With the spending power of clubs these days you would have to assume that barkley has stayed at everton more because he wants to than he has to.
 
iBoss said:
What will he end up as? He's kind caught in between a deeper role and an AM isn't he? That's something that might hold him back.
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Right now I can see him as Ramsey. More of an attacking b2b
 
iBoss said:
What will he end up as? He's kind caught in between a deeper role and an AM isn't he? That's something that might hold him back.
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I think played in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 as the advanced midfielder/ second striker.

I think it'll need to be a system like Liverpool's (with Gerrard, Alonso, Torres) to get the best out of him: Sit a little deeper, then move the ball forward very quickly, and give him space to run into (like for his goal against Newcastle).

He's not the cleanest dribbler, or passer, so I think a system that focuses on his powerful running would see him thrive.
I think that with some added maturity and development, he can do a similar role to what Gerrard did behind Torres.
 
His football education doesn't seem to stop even after serious injury he got some time ago. I think Louie may rate him as he wasn't hesitant in acquiring another English talent in Shaw.

Him or Kovacic would be an interesting investment for future but nothing is sure right now as Louie really set the bar high of quality players incoming this summer.

If it's gonna happen with Barkley it will be quite in the mood of Fergie's Manchester United.
 
Van Piorsing said:
His football education doesn't seem to stop even after serious injury he got some time ago. I think Louie may rate him as he wasn't hesitant in acquiring another English talent in Shaw.

Him or Kovacic would be an interesting investment for future but nothing is sure right now as Louie really set the bar high of quality players incoming this summer.

If it's gonna happen with Barkley it will be quite in the mood of Fergie's Manchester United.
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Not sure how much Van Gaal had to do with the Shaw transfer tbh, so I wouldn't use that as to why he might be interested in Barkley.
 
We already have a more talented cam in Januzaj who isn't getting game time, I don't see the point in getting another slightly less talented youngster. He won't progress properly here. We could use a young rb or box to box cm (Herrera's role) to offer more depth. The other positions are covered I'd say.
 
Dazzmondo said:
We already have a more talented cam in Januzaj who isn't getting game time, I don't see the point in getting another slightly less talented youngster. He won't progress properly here. We could use a young rb or box to box cm (Herrera's role) to offer more depth. The other positions are covered I'd say.
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What makes Januzaj more talented, in your opinion?

I do agree that he's one of those players who wont fit in everywhere. I think he'll need to perform a specialist role, which not everyone can afford him.
 
Speak said:
What makes Januzaj more talented, in your opinion?
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Better dribbler, better touch, more agile. Barkley is stronger and has more power in his shot. Technically, Januzaj is far superior imo. If Januzaj was at Liverpool or Everton he would be playing week in week out, he's unfortunate to not be getting the chance that Barkley and Sterling will this season. Looks on a completely different level in the U21s. Barkley is good, but I don't see him becoming one of the best 15 players in the world the same way I see Januzaj reaching that level.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Better dribbler, better touch, more agile. Barkley is stronger and has more power in his shot. Technically, Januzaj is far superior imo. If Januzaj was at Liverpool or Everton he would be playing week in week out, he's unfortunate to not be getting the chance that Barkley and Sterling will this season. Looks on a completely different level in the U21s. Barkley is good, but I don't see him becoming one of the best 15 players in the world the same way I see Januzaj reaching that level.
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I agree that Januzaj is superior in terms of close control and technique, but I don't think he's more talented, personally. Close control is only one area of talent. And while Barkley's dribbling is probably not as clean as Januzaj's, I couldn't see Januzaj scoring Barkley's Newcastle goal.

I see both becoming good players, but I don't see either hitting truly great heights.
 
Speak said:
I agree that Januzaj is superior in terms of close control and technique, but I don't think he's more talented, personally. Close control is only one area of talent. And while Barkley's dribbling is probably not as clean as Januzaj's, I couldn't see Januzaj scoring Barkley's Newcastle goal.

I see both becoming good players, but I don't see either hitting truly great heights.
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Januzaj has scored some screamers in the U21s. Not sure why you wouldn't think he's capable of scoring a goal like that. Barkley was given loads of space by the defenders so the run isn't as impressive as it looks, the shot is excellent, but I wouldn't say Januzaj is incapable of shooting like that either, maybe there wouldn't have been as much power in the shot, but I think he still would have scored in that position. Worth noting Januzaj is younger also.

Outside of his power, I really don't think Barkley is superior in any way (maybe his defensive side, though it''s hardly a speciality of either player). I think Barkley will be a great player for a club like Chelsea, I think Januzaj will be one of the best players in the world, that's the main difference for me. I genuinely believe that if Adnan was given Sterling or Barkley's place in their respective teams, the media would be talking about him in similar terms (maybe not quite as highly since he's not English, but he'd undoubtedly be praised). I also think he'd have more goals than Sterling because his finishing appears to have improved a lot in recent months, much more calm in front of goal for U21s, despite being too greedy when given chances with the 1st team (probably because he feels he has to prove himself too much).
 
Van Piorsing said:
Gave green light to the whole deal.

Could cancel it with a finger snap anytime.
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He probably could have yeah, but it's clear that was set in motion a long time before he arrived. He was probably just presented with it. In any case, it has no bearing on any potential interest in Barkley IMO.
 
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