Money talks. 50m will change their minds. I don't care what Martinez says. Bill will sell him for the greater good of the club.
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Money talks. 50m will change their minds. I don't care what Martinez says. Bill will sell him for the greater good of the club.
A 'buy & loan back' might tempt them? They could use the down-payment cash of say, £15m, with an agreed balance when he switches. This way, we secure the player (or at least, an option on him) & he gets EL football & another Prem season, under his belt.
In the last 2 years we bought 2 of the best 10s in Europe and we still want another one? Look right now, he certainly looks at his best as a 10 and that's where he should play. We have enough quality in that department and spending so much money on a project wouldn't be a great idea. Barkley should stay where he is and when he's ready, go to a top club that needs him in his best position, not to a top club that wants to change his position, because they lack quality in it.
I think Barkley could very well be like Gerrard. Brilliant behind the striker, but not as effective as a CM.
I think Barkley could very well be like Gerrard. Brilliant behind the striker, but not as effective as a CM.
He would cost at least £40m but definitely worth the potential.
Him and Shaw would be great additions.
Add Fabregas and Carvalho and we'd be title contenders possibly.
Him and Shaw would be great additions.
Add Fabregas and Carvalho and we'd be title contenders possibly.
How often have you seen liverpool this year...
perhaps the ten or so games I have seen are not representative but gerrard has looked very good... probably his best season for the last few years and unless im mistaken he has most definitely been a cm
With some smart investment Everton could become perennial top 4 material, can't see them wanting to think about selling their best players.
There's not a hope of him leaving Everton this year......He will want to stay and learn under Martinez and gain more experience....Martinez defo won't sell him.......Liverpool were able to hold onto Suarez without Champions League football and Spurs were able to hold onto Bale for a couple more seasons without Champions League football and Everton will do same as Barkley will be key to them mounting another serious challenge next year for a top 4 spot...but 1 year from now if Everton are not in the top 4 then there's a chance for sure he might be sold
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Barkley, Sterling, Shaw, Stones, and Ox are the best English talents (of their age) and i think that they will be nailed on to be in future England squads. I actually think that Stones is possibly the only one who'd miss out on the First XI but that would depend on how Jones/Smalling develop.
In regards to Barkley he really does look like he has the potential to be a 'complete' midfielder so to speak. He's strong, he's got a cracking shot, he has pace, he has drive and determination, he has good technical ability, he can dictate the play, he can spray passes...he's just a joy to watch. The only thing stopping him at the moment at times is naivety, but he's a determined lad and Martinez is the perfect bloke to ease that out of him i think.
In regards to Barkley he really does look like he has the potential to be a 'complete' midfielder so to speak. He's strong, he's got a cracking shot, he has pace, he has drive and determination, he has good technical ability, he can dictate the play, he can spray passes...he's just a joy to watch. The only thing stopping him at the moment at times is naivety, but he's a determined lad and Martinez is the perfect bloke to ease that out of him i think.
Kind of the model modern midfielder; technical, quick, powerful, can attack and defend.
Also, he can beat people through the middle, that's a big threat to have in central midfield, reminds me a little of Gazza.
He will be a great player, he has a great teacher with Martinez who will help him improve what he does game tactically as well as expanding what he does on the pitch. I agree with what @SilentWitness said, I would pt Wilshere in there as long as he can stay fit (big if)
Goal of the season (for the City one) and YPOTS for us. He'll probably win the Players' Player and the Player of the Season at some point in his career i'd imagine.
Some extremely naive/idealistic posts in here.
A big offer from a big club and he is gone.
Note that by 'big' I mean it will really have to be north of £40m maybe as high as £50m.
A big offer from a big club and he is gone.
Note that by 'big' I mean it will really have to be north of £40m maybe as high as £50m.
I don't see the hype about Stones. Barkley is a massive talent who should stay at least for a year or two.
Who would make that sort of bid right now? He is not really a need for any of the richer clubs.
Everton have shown that they absolutely will not sell a player if they want to keep him as was the case with Baines...They will happily sell players they don't want for astronomical prices such as the lampshade
Eh? Man Utd and Chelsea are desperately short of creativity in CM
I agree, I don't think any of the clubs who can afford what Everton would want would be prepared to spend it on him, he's too big a risk.
Especially with FFP you can't afford to just throw away £40m for it to not work out.
He has not played as a CM and has not shown a high level of creativity yet.
That last bit is poo.
So is the former actually, he's played at CM in his youth and also on his debut for the senior side.
... but his use of conjunction was spot on.
We focus too much on rigid positioning here. Good midfielders should be able to play in the midfield whether that be 10 yards further forward or 10 yards deeper. maybe he isn't as good at defending but I can't see why that would be, based on the games I've watched him, and with the right partner and the right coaching that wouldn't matter anyways.
If we play 4-3-3 under Van Gaal then Barkley would be ideal to play at the tip of the midfield 3.
Problem with that is Moyes is out of a job. No one will be buying lampshades from them anymore
I would make Barkley one of my priorities - the thought of him playing at another english club in the top 4 doesn't sit right with me. Ditch Wayne, get Barkley.
Exactly. World class English talent should be playing for the top English club. If he's one of the them then he should be a priority.
But here lies the problem. We are not the only one who can afford him.
But here lies the problem. We are not the only one who can afford him.
Do not want. Very steep price and below Kroos level for example.
Plus there's no guarantee that we're the best club to join for trophies any more, if we're being completely honest. After all trophies aren't won through finances and spreadsheets.
With Sir Alex, I'd have felt extremely confident that we'd get him (or someone like him) if we offered an identical wage packet and offer as Chelsea and City.
The chance to work with a legendary manager; his record, which indicates that you'd win more under him in 5-10 years than under anyone else; the unique continuity; the fact that the main cogs in our past success were still around.
Now we're one of a number of teams with money, a good coach, ambition, and a 'chance' of silverware.
Of course we can still get this type off player, but we're no longer the default choice. We very much have to sell ourselves like every other club.
They don't play the same role and he hasn't the same age.
Im going to say we would be mad not to try and sing him.
The way the PL is set up pace and power are critical. He has both of those in abundance. Throw in the fact that he has a good range of passing and you have the perfect box to box Midfielder. If an average Joe like Henderson can be an important player for a team who finishes second then somebody who has more power, more pace and much better passing surely can be a top PL player.
The way the PL is set up pace and power are critical. He has both of those in abundance. Throw in the fact that he has a good range of passing and you have the perfect box to box Midfielder. If an average Joe like Henderson can be an important player for a team who finishes second then somebody who has more power, more pace and much better passing surely can be a top PL player.
The issue with Baines was that he was very happy at Everton and didn't really want to go anywhere else, so he himself refused any offers coming in. Barkley presumably will have more ambition, if he becomes as good as people think he can he's not going to stay at Everton forever when realistically they're never going to challenge for anything other than an FA/League Cup every now and then
If there's one player we need to extract from Everton, it's John Stones. As for Barkley, not too excited by the prospect of us bidding for him. For starters, the asking price will be obscene. If Shaw is worth 30m, then Kenwright will demand somewhere in the region of 50-60 million for Ross. For that amount we could look elsewhere and target experienced players. Barkley still has a lot to prove. For one he has a serious injury record and that can be a dissuading factor when you pay such massive amounts of money. Also I think he's a bit overhyped with people like Martinez comparing him to Wayne. Right now, he doesn't even deserve to be mentioned alongside Rooney. Wayne was ripping up international sides as an 18 year old. Purely from from a talent perspective there's no parallel between the two. Barkley also doesn't have much tactical discipline from what I can tell and can be like a bit headless chicken at times. Maybe that'll improve with age and more training under Martinez. He's still very much a project, I'd much rather we spend the 50-60 odd million odd on proven quantity. If Barkley reaches a world-class level in 2-3 seasons, we'll still have the finances to compete. Right now it's best for his development to stay at Everton and refine his play before moving to a bigger club. I think Gareth Bale's developmental route would be a perfect template for him to follow.
And where exactly do you plan on playing Mata and Rooney?
Rooney on the left and Mata at Barcelona.
I would have Mata over Barkley to play as a #10 any day of the week.
Van Gaal likes pacey wingers, and we'd me mental selling Mata.
Am I the only one not fussed about Barkley? His asking price is going to be ridiculous as well, if Shaw is sold for 30M I can imagine Everton wanting 50M.
Me too, but you can play without #10. To be clear i don't want us to sell Mata, i just used the paradigm proposed by Devil May Care.
Mata on the right or left of the front 3 and Rooney rotating with RvP as the #9, he's not a CM.
Reckon he'll be signing a new deal with Everton soon unless someone makes a move for him this summer. Only has two years left on the current one and he signed that in 2011 while his stock has risen considerably since then. Can't imagine him staying on the relatively lower wages after the season he has just had.
Its basically playing a #10 because Barkley will move up when attacking. So the formation will be like this:
RVP
Rooney------Barkley------Mata
Cleverely-----Carrick
Rooney------Barkley------Mata
Cleverely-----Carrick
RVP
Rooney--------------------Mata
Barkley------Cleverley
Carrick
Rooney--------------------Mata
Barkley------Cleverley
Carrick
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